The Pentatauch predates Christianity by several hundred years. Jew, Hebrew, Israelite, Yahweh-ists... call them what you will, but until Christ was born and died, Judaism or Hebrew or whatever you want to call it was the religion of the first apostles which, to me (and anyone with an opinion worth a shit on the matter), are the first Christians.
Jewish Christianity was definitely a thing for a good bit after Jesus walked the Earth; it still is to a very, very minor, perverted extent, but Jews trying to follow the Old Covenant in Moses and the New in Jesus were definitely a thing in the early AD.
Yes, Talmudic Judaism is different and perverse. But I'm talking about history that's pretty well documented.
That’s the only point I was making. And it’s not so much “talmudic judaism” but “judaism” generally, as today talmudic is the only kind that exists. It is probably more accurate and useful if we used a different word to describe the system as it was prior to Christ, and “judaism” afterward, given how much of their effort became dedicated to rejecting His wisdom.
But I'm talking about history that's pretty well documented.
Well, in broad strokes maybe, but it really feels like the specifics of that era have been shrouded and obscured by so many tellings and re-tellings as to be quite questionable, as evidenced by the massive confusion on the subject these days (mUh jUdEo-ChRiStIaN vALuEs)
The Pentatauch predates Christianity by several hundred years. Jew, Hebrew, Israelite, Yahweh-ists... call them what you will, but until Christ was born and died, Judaism or Hebrew or whatever you want to call it was the religion of the first apostles which, to me (and anyone with an opinion worth a shit on the matter), are the first Christians.
Jewish Christianity was definitely a thing for a good bit after Jesus walked the Earth; it still is to a very, very minor, perverted extent, but Jews trying to follow the Old Covenant in Moses and the New in Jesus were definitely a thing in the early AD.
Yes, Talmudic Judaism is different and perverse. But I'm talking about history that's pretty well documented.
That’s the only point I was making. And it’s not so much “talmudic judaism” but “judaism” generally, as today talmudic is the only kind that exists. It is probably more accurate and useful if we used a different word to describe the system as it was prior to Christ, and “judaism” afterward, given how much of their effort became dedicated to rejecting His wisdom.
Well, in broad strokes maybe, but it really feels like the specifics of that era have been shrouded and obscured by so many tellings and re-tellings as to be quite questionable, as evidenced by the massive confusion on the subject these days (mUh jUdEo-ChRiStIaN vALuEs)