Weight, an intrinsic and inexorable property of all matter. The direction for that push force is down when the weight is greater than that of the displaced media, and up when it is lesser.
It's really the normal/standard take, and has been for around 2000 years.
The point is that nothing has changed (except the direction)
That's exactly the point. We're talking about two opposite forces acting in different directions, push vs pull.
The pushing rope/pencil example doesn't apply to when the fingertip is stuck to the side of the glass closest to you, because that's precisely the difference between push and pull.
In the glued finger example, your finger is the handle
The finger is not the handle. It's a part of the body that is exerting the pulling force.
Have you genuinely never heard of the concept of pulling?
As if when you read it in some book written by a hallowed name you would suddenly understand and/or agree!
It's not that I need a hallowed name, but I need more than just you telling me this, especially since what you're telling me doesn't make sense when applied in real life scenarios.
Remove the bottle from the example. Just consider the pencil.
I'm referring to the scenario when you superglue your finger to the bottle, there is no pencil in this example.
In the example when you superglue your finger to the bottle, there is no pushing taking place.
The topic at hand requires both parties to have a proper understanding of basic physics, including the fact that there are more forces that exist than just pushing. You don't have that, so how can we proceed on the topic at hand?
Can an object be pulled by another object if the leading object itself is not pushed?
Yes. Magnetic force is a great example of this.
(think mechanically for now)
If you want to talk strictly mechanics, as in mechanisms, then a scenario such as a winch pulling in a load would be the load being pulled via a rotational method, no pushing of the leading object.
A very simple version through mechanics (of movement) though can just be you picking up your cup of coffee and bringing it to your lips. You're pulling it inward.
As i am struggling to convey to you - everything is a billiard ball (including forces). Billiard balls can't pull, they can only push.
Understandable if you are struggling!
So, it would be very helpful if you were to share a piece of literature that will share this in detail. Where can I read more about this? I would love to gain a greater understanding of this topic but the works I've been finding share alternate ideas.
I don't seek your concession, only understanding.
Great! Could you please share a specific resource that can help me understand better?
That’s an interesting take. Where is the push force coming from?
Weight, an intrinsic and inexorable property of all matter. The direction for that push force is down when the weight is greater than that of the displaced media, and up when it is lesser.
It's really the normal/standard take, and has been for around 2000 years.
Well, a pushing force comes from behind, does it not?
Not necessarily. Why do you think pushing always comes from behind?
Right but what is causing that weight to push townward?
The fact that the weight is greater than the weight it displaces. Otherwise it doesn't!
That's exactly the point. We're talking about two opposite forces acting in different directions, push vs pull.
The pushing rope/pencil example doesn't apply to when the fingertip is stuck to the side of the glass closest to you, because that's precisely the difference between push and pull.
The finger is not the handle. It's a part of the body that is exerting the pulling force.
Have you genuinely never heard of the concept of pulling?
It's not that I need a hallowed name, but I need more than just you telling me this, especially since what you're telling me doesn't make sense when applied in real life scenarios.
I'm referring to the scenario when you superglue your finger to the bottle, there is no pencil in this example.
In the example when you superglue your finger to the bottle, there is no pushing taking place.
Considering I've gone well before the 50's-60's, I am going back far enough.
I haven't found one that holds the view you've shared with me.
I know billiard balls can't pull. Other things CAN pull, such as if I superglue my finger to a cup and pull it towards me.
The topic at hand requires both parties to have a proper understanding of basic physics, including the fact that there are more forces that exist than just pushing. You don't have that, so how can we proceed on the topic at hand?
Yes. Magnetic force is a great example of this.
If you want to talk strictly mechanics, as in mechanisms, then a scenario such as a winch pulling in a load would be the load being pulled via a rotational method, no pushing of the leading object.
A very simple version through mechanics (of movement) though can just be you picking up your cup of coffee and bringing it to your lips. You're pulling it inward.
Understandable if you are struggling!
So, it would be very helpful if you were to share a piece of literature that will share this in detail. Where can I read more about this? I would love to gain a greater understanding of this topic but the works I've been finding share alternate ideas.
Great! Could you please share a specific resource that can help me understand better?