This has been bugging me for a while, since I left freecanada's forums. Seeing their members trying to deny that the government screwed indians over hard (not that america didnt either) was mind blowing.
First off, one news source initially reported "mass" graves.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/28/world/canada/kamloops-mass-grave-residential-schools.html
Guess it just doesnt have the same ring as unmarked graves, which is what they really were.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/26/world/canada/indigenous-residential-schools-grave.html
Most members of freecanada believe that no graves were ever found. That is simply not true...
Why do these people find this so hard to believe? It's almost like they think they are personally responsible for what happened. It wasnt their ancestors running the churchs, or instituted the policys that allowed them to rip kids from their familys and shuttle them thousands of km's to name them jack or mary.
Maybe if indians could get some truth and justice, perhaps the rest of us may have a chance as well. But nope, its all a big conspiracy to make them ashamed of their heritage. My ancestors werent killing indians or stealing their shit, I have nothing to be ashamed of on that front. My family has core values that include defending others when they cant defend their-selves. Admittedly, alot of them dont even care anymore. My fathers siblings for example were pretty much all yuppies save one.
On Wednesday, another revelation came out, this time from the Ktunaxa Nation (Lower Kootenay Band) that 182 shallow unmarked graves lay at the former St. Eugene's Mission Residential School near Cranbrook, B.C. Once again, the school, which operated from 1912 to the 1970s, was run by the Catholic Church.
About 150,000 First Nations, Metis, and Inuit children went through the schools, taken from their parents by force if necessary. At least 4,000 died and, as in the case of the unmarked graves discovered to date, many of the children just disappeared with their parents left wondering what happened to them.
The schools were run by the United, Anglican, Presbyterian, and Catholic churches. The first three issued formal apologies for their roles in the schools. But while local Catholic authorities said they were sorry, Trudeau and First Nations leaders called for Pope Francis to officially apologize. It is estimated that about 60% of the schools were operated by the Catholic Church.
One woman even claims she witnessed a baby that was fathered by a priest thrown into the incinerator alive. I have no doubt that fetal remains were being incinerated. The church is usually really good about covering up their evil's. Which is one of the reasons I cant follow a Abrahamic god. The amount of evil perpetuated by the churches.
They slipped up in ireland though.
Corless found that, between 1925 and 1961, 796 children died at the St Mary's mother and baby home, run by nuns from the Bon Secours order – but there were no burial records. Many are believed to have ended up in the former sewage facility. “It became a handy way to dispose of them,” Corless told the Observer
Not much of a different story in Appalachia either.
The latest suit included allegations that some students became pregnant after being raped and were given abortions. Some children ranging in age from 7 to 12 were infected with sexually transmitted diseases after being assaulted by staff members, the suit claimed.
So why the fuck does anyone think they were not doing this shit in canada, it really blows my mind. The church wasnt racist in that regard, if you were poor and helpless, you were at their mercy. Makes me furious, I know whats its like to be pushed around and treated less than garbage. It makes you hate everything.
“The ones you won’t hear from are the more than 50,000 children who died from beatings, starvation, rape and torture, or being deliberately exposed to tuberculosis and left to cough their lives away in squalor and terror — all at the hands of Christian men and women who have never been prosecuted for their crimes,” Annett wrote in a preamble to his book. “These murdered children lie in nearly forgotten graves across Canada, or their ashes are scattered on sea and land after they were incinerated in residential school furnaces, to hide the crime that killed them.”
Irene Favel was witness to the abuse of residential schools, and to the murder of a newborn. She attended the Roman Catholic Muscowequan Indian Residential School, which was about 150 km from Regina, Saskatchewan. The school had Cree, Saulteaux and Métis students.
“I’m 75. I went to residential school in Muscowequan from 1944 to 1949, and I had a rough life. I was mistreated in every way,” Favel told the CBC in an interview in 2008. “There was a young girl — she was seven years old — and she was pregnant. And what they did, she had her baby and they took the baby and wrapped it up in a nice pink outfit, and they took it downstairs where I was cooking dinner with the nun. And they took the baby into the furnace room, and they threw that little baby in there and burned it alive. All you could hear was this little cry, like ‘Uuh,’ and that was it. You could smell that flesh cooking. It’s a big mistake when people say we were treated good. There’s no way. There’s a lot of things that happened in those boarding schools.”
https://thebridgehead.ca/2022/11/16/residential-schools-abortion-and-the-graves-of-children/
When I was in Senior B, I used to hear about girls getting pregnant down the other end of the building. They’d get pregnant, but they would never have kids, you know. And the thing was, they’d bring somebody in from over town who’d do an abortion, I guess. We used to hear it. It used to be really scary, hearing them open up the incinerator after what was going on. They’d open up the incinerator in the big boiler, and we would hear this big clang, and we’d know they would be getting rid of the evidence…We’d wonder how many kids got thrown in the incinerator.
This is what governments do when they are not responsible to the people. And I dont really doubt any of this. After what happened to me and having organizations like the workers compensation bureau of nova scotia, or the college of physicians and surgeons nova scotia lie and treat me like I was insane. I have very little doubt about what "really" happened.
One last thing. I come across this comment in reddit in a thread about the topic. I cant find it now, it appears to deleted, but you can see the amount of misinformation, which is probably the canadian government themselves trying to defuse the situation. Just better to cover it up, wouldnt want to upset anyone.
https://np.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/16857jp/no_evidence_of_human_remains_found_beneath_church/
The comment said something along the lines of "My friend was a technician there and when they discovered the anomalies were a septic field they were all forced to sign NDA's and told to leave."
Yes, because the government has every intention of telling people the truth about anything. The canadian government is good about telling people how stupid they are and to not think for themselves.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/secret-orders-in-council-1.6467450
"Trudeau government has adopted dozens of secret cabinet orders since coming to power"
A quote from "They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1933-45 Milton Mayer
"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security.
I ask you, as the reader, dont take my word for it, or the word of someone else. Take the time to read, and explore the subject and decide for yourself what you think.
Just because graves were not discovered at some sites (and I question that), it does not de legitimize the crimes that were committed against humanity.
I applaud the effort post first and foremost, I would just raise a couple points:
Using the numbers you’ve provided:
~150,000 children went through the system over ~100 years, with ~4,000 dying while in the care of the system. This means approximately 2.7% of the indigenous children in the care of the RSS died.
Now, I would ask, in order to get an accurate assessment of reality, what were the rates of childhood/adolescent mortality during this same 100 year period of those children not in the RSS? I think you’ll find that mortality across the board was higher during this period. Proper sanitation and hygiene were only just being implemented during a large portion of those years.
From 1900-1950 the adolescent (5-9 yrs) death rate fell 90% for ALL AMERICANS down to only 62 per 100,000 meaning in 1900 it was ~620 per 100,000 or 0.6%. So we see some clear difference between the groups, but not much. Could that difference be explained by living in generally harsher, more remote places, less able to access medicine and other technologies which are revolutionizing lifespans?
https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.79.7.899
Does that really sound like genocide? Or does it sound like something else? I think the main reason for pushback is because people are being accused of genocide, and don’t feel that’s an accurate picture of history.
This, exactly. Modernists don't even understand how low that is because they can't understand how difficult life was without modern civilization, guaranteed fresh water, food, and medical care and protection from the elements, indoor heating, protection from animals.