Did Catholicism Create Islam?
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You are incorporating a lot of non-scriptural teachings and trying to apply them to what is stated in the Bible. This is the wrong direction. Instead, you need to start with the Bible and work outward as it is the foundation of Truth. You need to let the Bible define itself and not apply foreign definitions to biblical symbols. Doing so is considered a form of idolatry.
When I say God has nothing to do with it, I am saying that God has nothing to do with death. This is stated clearly by scripture. He is the God of the living. He is a God of creation and light. He is perfect and there is no darkness or sin in Him. As a created being, you are made with the capacity to stay in creation or leave it because you have free will. To choose the teachings of man and the world, to choose sin, is to pursue a path that cannot lead to God. Instead, you are only lead to a path that results in death as you are willingly separating yourself from the very thing that sustains existence.
Again, you’re mixing pagan thought with Christian thought. The concepts of the middle way and the notion that Christ is a state of being are deceptions meant to fool people into thinking they have found truth when in reality they are still trapped in the lie.
Both paths presented in those systems, left and right/ dark and light, or even some mysterious middle path that’s in harmony with nature (nature worship is idolatry), are lies that lead to the same place. Scripture is clear on this. At the end, there aren’t three paths, or many different paths to the same place, there are only two. One path leads to Christ which is life, every other path leads to eternal death and separation from God. It’s up to you which side you are on.
When you talk of Christ as a state of being or “Christ Consciousness” you are buying into a variation of the same lie that the serpent told Adam and Eve in the garden, that you can become like God. This is just an extension of works based salvation which is completely antithetical to what the plan of salvation actually is. Fallen man is incapable of saving himself so God had to personally don flesh and be the sacrifice in our stead. If you accept Christ and obey God, His sacrifice is applied to you and you are effectively pardoned. You are then to go and walk the Christian path in life. There is no other way out that results in you living as any sin functionally results in the death penalty.
You call on concepts from Taoism and Egypt when their religions and teachings have nothing to do with the teachings of the Bible. Instead, ancient man got those teachings from fallen angels who were trying to confuse the story by taking elements of the truth and then perverting reality. The Hegelian dialectic of using opposites to create an outcome (synthesis) is a stratagem of Satan. When you say dividers use it to their benefit, it’s more correct to look at them as people who are spiritually manipulated to do the works of Lucifer in the world.
Even your symbolism isn’t biblical. The Bible defines its symbols and nowhere does it describe the cross as a fulcrum between two opposites. Such an explanation is manmade and therefore invalid according to scripture. Instead, the cross is meant to point back to the sanctuary which itself pointed to Christ. The symbolism you reference doesn’t point to Christ and instead points to some suggested secret truth for the enlightened, completely removing Christ as the savior, thereby shifting focus to the individual saving themself. The more you study the Bible, the more plain it is that other religions explanations for biblical concepts are just the Devils fan fiction as he tries to tell a version of the story that either inverts or combines the character of God with his character.
I think the problem here is that you are looking at Christianity as being on the same level as any other religion in that they all have some aspect of the truth or any one of them can lead to the ultimate truth. In reality, you have everything else, then you have Christianity.
I highly recommend you watch the entirety of the Total Onslaught series as it addresses every single thing you’re talking about and clearly shows where the errors are, which is why I like to link to it so much.
You stated: You are incorporating a lot of non-scriptural teachings and trying to apply them to what is stated in the Bible.
This is the wrong direction. Instead, you need to start with the Bible and work outward as it is the foundation of Truth. You need to let the Bible define itself and not apply foreign definitions to biblical symbols. Doing so is considered a form of idolatry.
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I've done both. You need to do both. This word 'scripture' is tossed around loosely and always was, especially within the neo roman churches. You need to deep dive christian history in establishing 'scriptural teachings'.
The cause of idolatry is most often anthropromorphism. I'm careful to avoid such pitfalls as idolatry as it is said to be 'the only thing that angers God', with that itself being an anthropromorphic statement.
You say: When I say God has nothing to do with it, I am saying that God has nothing to do with death. This is stated clearly by scripture. He is the God of the living. He is a God of creation and light. He is perfect and there is no darkness or sin in Him. As a created being, you are made with the capacity to stay in creation or leave it because you have free will. To choose the teachings of man and the world, to choose sin, is to pursue a path that cannot lead to God. Instead, you are only lead to a path that results in death as you are willingly separating yourself from the very thing that sustains existence.
The religion of Rome, however, has everything to do with death. The life within the symbol of the cross has been turned into an instrument of torture/death, Christ is a man who died and that 'fact' is to be 'confessed' or you'll be eternally tortured and so on.
This will thing is never free and doing what thou wilt isn't it, and neither is doing something based from fear. Fear and desire are the mind killers and this is what the Heaven/Hell dichotomy of the Roman religion rests upon. The ancient truths it hides are another thing altogether.
The god of creation and light is the Demiurge, akin to Lucifer, the god of the material world. Gnostic Christians schooled Roman Christians on the difference, were not understood, were killed, and the esoteric line went underground.
It waits to be discovered by those who know how and where to look.
Roman Christianity is nothing BUT the mixing of pagan traditions with their own.
The word 'pagan' meant simply commoner or peasant as it was meant to be a derogatory statement for those deplorables who weren't ready to accept the new head placed on the old body.
The problem here is that you attempt to measure something without the proper training and the issue is the very same in reverse of what you accuse.
You need to get outside your box. It isn't even yours.
You are incorrectly comparing Roman Catholicism to Christianity. The Roman Catholic Papacy is the little horn power. It is the first beast that comes from the sea in Revelation. It is the mother of harlots. It has been successfully identified as what most people would understand as the antichrist. Rome does in fact worship death, you can’t have mass unless you are conducting it over a crypt. It inherits its ideologies from Rome, who got it from Greece, who got it from the Medo-Persians, who got it from Babylon. The Bible warns you of Rome if you let it define its own symbols. Saying the Roman Catholics persecuted the Gnostics is like saying heretics were persecuting heretics. If you actually learn what the Papacy believes, you realize they worship the same thing as the gnostics. Lucifer always gives the same basic points and then embellishes them in a million different ways to let people pick and choose which flavor of the teachings they prefer.
You are extremely confused when you mix Catholicism with Christianity and then look to Gnosticism as the key to unlock it all. The reason why you walked into this confusion is precisely because you “do both”. Again, you can’t. The Bible is the foundation of all truth and you have to work outward. If you don’t approach it from that stance, the Bible becomes just another book and you are walking around blindly with no foundation and no way other than your feelings to discern what is true. The Bible warns against this saying to not trust your own feelings because they can be manipulated. When you learn how to spot fake money, do you study the known forgeries? No, you study the genuine article. Real Christianity is a very different religion from what you appear to believe it is.
Btw, I came to Christianity after many years of studying Gnosticism and the occult believing it to be correct. I’ve read Crowley, Blavatsky, Bailey, Pike, Hall, The Emerald Tablets, Kabbalah: I could go on and on. It leads nowhere and it all boils down to Lucifer worship in one way or another at the top. I was very reluctant to come to Christianity at first. The teachings of God go against what we find appealing as fallen man and require a lot of change and sacrifice but if you are genuinely honest and approach things logically, you will eventually arrive at the truth of Jesus Christ.
Lastly, anything that takes a higher priority in your life than God is an idol. It can be a literal statue, it can be an activity like alcoholism or gambling, or it can be a mindset like atheism in which you functionally declare yourself to be a little mini-god.
I did the same from an early age. I won't give you a list of books, I spent my whole long life doing it. How are you on comparative religions east and west?
I'm not extremely confused about how extremely confused people are about the history of Christianity. I'm extremely aware of it and how much a person can confess to know and not show it by act or word.
The Catholic Flavian Christianity defines modern Christianity. It's YOU who mixes the wines together not I. You're simply evangelizing and attempt to degrade with false characterization of my understanding to make it easier. it won't work and is an ugly way to converse. So....
I don't let Rome define shit. I just told you that Rome defined modern Christianity.
Funny, you told me that you were reluctant to come to the teachings, yet I was supposed to start with the bible. Actually i did. I was reluctant to come to false teachings, still am, and always will be.
Here's more fun; There was a REASON that anons were put onto Reddit, then 8 chan/4chan and then over to the goats at VOAT.
It was for the two thieves to 'butt heads' and let Divine Inspiration reign in the end.
Orthodox literalist beliefs masquerading as deep truths are the next thing to be exposed and the final piece to recovery. Saving Israel for last.
Rome does not define Christianity. The Bible defines what Christianity is. The Bible also clearly identifies and calls out what Rome is. It gives a specific timeline in its prophecies that perfectly predict the ministry of Christ, the various kingdoms that rule earth through history, and even the reign of the Catholic Church in the dark ages. It even identifies America. If you really know what the Bible actually says, you could tell me what time period we are in according to scripture and where it is paralleled in scripture. Who is America in the Bible? What role will it play? If you’ve been studying scripture your whole life and know the symbolism so well, you should be able to answer these critical questions.
Again, you are letting manmade symbolism direct your thought and not the Bible. You aren’t even referencing the symbolism of the mixed and unmixed wine correctly.
For someone who is reluctant to embrace false teachings, you certainly seem to enjoy believing in gnostic fanfiction. I reluctantly came to Christianity because I approached the subject with a completely open mind and gave each version of the story it’s own careful consideration. Coming to God essentially meant that I had to acknowledge that I had been studying lies for years.