I wonder how many more die first?
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Are you clinically insane? Subjugated by Russia. No. That wasn't the goal. That's bullshit madness. Has Russia destroyed Kiev? At what point like any other warfare isn't Kiev obliterated completely? Does Russia want Kiev? It left it to the point warmarkers can visit it. All they do is give it more guns. At what point isn't it annihilated? What because Russia can't? No. Because it isn't Russia's goal. But at this rate you tell me?
Ukraine had a violent coup where it overthrew its government. It has been in conflict since. Any conflict amounts to being a border dispute created in rebellion, funded by warmarkers. Intent on a larger conflict with Russia.
An open border existing for hundreds of years, granted by Russia, within it is a mixed population of Russians.
Suddenly today Ukraine assumes it is something else, and it can defeat Russia, and historic Russian occupancy to achieve it.
Ukraine never existed as what it claims without Russia. It seeks war to achieve what it claims. As a result it is bloody, and unbowed. Defiant to any peace process. Because it is corrupted. It is being armed by billions and it is buying nothing but loss of life and territory in Ukraine. Instead of committing to peace as it was tabled and offered prior numerously. It seeks what was never its.
Yes geographically it isn't ideal for Ukraine. Violent uprisings never are. But there is big huge nuclear bases by a nuclear power in a region that was always Russian. It seeks by conflict to remove it. It hypocritically demands recognition of its own separation but refuses Russians seeking the same.
It's far worse than that currently. It is as uncivilised as the depths of human barbarism and savagery.
It is sending its citizens to war, not a professional army, not even a trained army, the population to war, to achieve a goal of killing Russians. It is as brutal and barbaric and uncivilised as you can ever imagine.
For decades Ukraine had peace. Ironically. Until it seeks? Peace? No. It sought conflict. It begs for conflict today.
Call it for it is. Lastly I don't care. I am not fighting Russia. If my nation was I'd support it. What I don't support is this insanity. It isn't peace. It's the opposite. It isn't fighting for peace. Read it that press
This dumb website now has two lil niggers down voting me. It's probably the same tranny on a multiple account. What the fuck is wrong with site? Why do sites like this promote it. Get rid of down votes. They aren't free speech. Their lil stupid niggers, trolling. It makes no difference. Except it causes dystopia. Those dumb lil niggers don't want me posting. But they expect too. Absurd, tranny logic.
That is a Russian narrative and it's bullshit. Well done parroting Russian talking points.
You keep claiming that you don't support Russia but you never call Russia out for starting and not ending the war.
They had a violent coup dumbass. People died.
Half the country separated. Sided with Russia. It removed Russians in Odesa, and in many places, they had governance, and didn't back the coup. Installing loyalsts. It imprisoned them. It installed a Stazi. A secret police who round up Russians. Now these military police are everywhere, papers, job. They get a meat wagon and put people in it, drafting them. Teenagers, even 15 and 17 year olds, girls as well. Luhansk and Donetsk, tried to fully break away. Ukraine has been in conflict since. Crimea was Russian. Look nuclear bases. 90% Russian.
It gets much worse now. Full on acts of barbarity and depravity against its own population. Torture, mutilation, rape, capital punishment all because of accusations of being Russian. What's that crime, not knowing a modern dialect? Worse, now it's not being drafted. You're trying to protect your girlfriend. She's also getting drafted. Sent into an army that rapes her, and sends her to get raped. Yourself they give you a gun after you pulled its triggered and immediately 5 minutes later they send you into a ditch. You can shoot at the artillery with it, guard the ditch. You had a respected job, you were anything, like a teacher. Your girlfriend was as well. If you try to flee, you're beaten, shot, and hanged. You survive a few weeks of hell, before being blown up by artillery, you lost your dick, both legs, and are paralysed. You find out what happened to your girlfriend, she was raped at the Ukrainian training camp, and then they sent her out on patrol, and she was killed by a mine.
Thousands of stories like this, thousands, and thousands. Thousands of graves, fields and fields and fields of graves.
Thanks for proving my point.
You just regurgitate Russian propaganda.
If any of that was true, would it give Russia the right to invade Ukraine?
Look it up. People were shot in the coup. People in positions of power were arrested. Odesa didn't back the coup and a host of other places originally, it sent the army in. Then it installed a secret police. Who are fully operating now. Accusations are enough to cause imprisonment, and death. They use meat wagons frequently and forcibly draft people. People as young as 15 and as old as 60, and girls. They have different bands on status. They amount to training. I don't know those colors, but yeah one is fodder, the others are veterans.
These stories are in Western media. Of ordinary people sent to die in ditches. Sent to a front line that throws them away. They're simply given a gun. After all of two days off to a ditch.
As far as that draft goes I can provide the exact quote Zelenskyy used or you can look it up. It amounts to capital punishment. Meanwhile he halted girl refugees, because they're being given conscription. Not all are on the front no. I heard they started a rape night and state brothels. It keeps morale high.
I haven't proved anything, I am not Russian. What propaganda? Facts.
Instead read it. The topic. Look. Blind. It isn't idealism either it's corruption.