I grew up in the area one of the familys lived, was big news when someone come out and collected dna samples.
Funny thing is, the family has always claimed a connection there, which is why someone finally come out to dna test them.
We all know these guys were fucking their slaves, do you have doubt? They used them like tools to be disposed of and it seems a few of them even fell in love and married them.
Just happens this family had no genetic ties, I doubt thats true for every owner.
Wouldnt shock me to find out they fudged the results as well or something.
After a DNA test in 1998, the nonprofit foundation, which owns Monticello, determined that there was a “high probability” that Jefferson fathered at least one of Hemings’s children, and that he likely fathered them all. The new exhibit asserts Jefferson’s paternity as a fact.
“The words ‘rape’ and ‘rapist,’ what it conjures up is not a nuanced situation,” she said. “There were other relationships like theirs which were clearly love matches.”
Some couples moved to Ohio, where slavery was outlawed, she said, adding: “Jefferson wasn’t that. But he wasn’t violently accosting Sally Hemings every day for 30 years.”
At reunions of the descendants of Monticello’s slaves, the question of whether Jefferson is guilty of rape has sparked heated arguments.
“I really don’t think slaves had a choice,” said Rosemary Medley Ghoston, a retired hairdresser in Ohio who discovered in the 1980s, through genealogical research, that she was a descendant of Madison Hemings. “Maybe if it was not rape, it was a duty that she had to fulfill.”
By the way if you think its ok for a white man to love a black woman but think its wrong for a black man and white woman to marry, is that not the definition of hypocrite? I dont care who marrys who, as long as they do it because they love each other! that is the only thing that matters in this world!
While I agree (mostly) with your final sentence I just want to clarify something. It is not that white man/black woman is okay and the opposite is not, it is about the social hierarchy.
It is always okay for a woman to marry upwards - evolutionarily speaking they will be better protected and have better offspring with a better protector/provider.
By the same token, it is really unfortunate when women marry downwards, because it reduces their value forever. Once a woman deems it acceptable to lower her value down to someone else's level, it is generally reduced forever.
I am not saying what I am saying to be perjorative towards women or men. I gave you an explanation of why the phenomenon you pointed out happens. It has nothing to do with the culture or mores you put on top of it -- you could find equivalent examples within any culture if you look.
The human male is the stronger of the two sexes. Its role is to provide and protect its mate and its family. Part of the consideration of the human male is to find and court a suitable mate that is worth protecting.
The human female is inarguably more valuable than the human male - in a purely biological sense. You have known this since you were a child. If humanity were ever reduced to one woman and a hundred men, we would be absolutely doomed, whereas we could in theory rebuild the species with one man and 100 women.
So, it is the job of both men and women to ensure this solid family pairing happens. That is why it is not a problem when a woman "mates upward" because a higher status man can better provide. It's actually really simple.
But by the same logic, once a woman mates downward -- especially if that mating creates offspring -- it's over. Ask any single mother how easy it is find a good man. You could also go look at the data on step-parents and abuse and neglect.
So: what are you proposing? We just ignore our biology? We just... ignore these realities? Encourage men to marry downwards and encourage women not to preserve their value? Do you really think this is possible and/or desireable?
Because, to me... that sounds a lot like the hubris liberals look at the world.
We are animals. We are mammals. We can look at gorillas and dolphins (other intelligent and highly evolved mammals) and draw comparisons.
If you really believe what you are saying is true, replicate it with literally any mammal on earth. I believe such a thing is impossible, but I am a good scientist who is open to having my mind changed. But that takes actual hard data that to this point does not exist.
Humans have a very well-developed prefrontal cortex. This allows for critical thinking and higher executive functioning -- but all too often this just puts window dressing on basic biological and mammalian behaviors.
I will never understand why evolutionary psychology is so scary to people. We are just animals in an ecosystem. Stop trying to change us and change the ecosystem.
The numbers on screen during the video refer to his sources list, all linked in the video description on the youtube url for the video.
I grew up in the area one of the familys lived, was big news when someone come out and collected dna samples.
Funny thing is, the family has always claimed a connection there, which is why someone finally come out to dna test them.
We all know these guys were fucking their slaves, do you have doubt? They used them like tools to be disposed of and it seems a few of them even fell in love and married them.
Just happens this family had no genetic ties, I doubt thats true for every owner.
Wouldnt shock me to find out they fudged the results as well or something.
This article from 2018 still claims a connection.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/16/us/sally-hemings-exhibit-monticello.html
By the way if you think its ok for a white man to love a black woman but think its wrong for a black man and white woman to marry, is that not the definition of hypocrite? I dont care who marrys who, as long as they do it because they love each other! that is the only thing that matters in this world!
While I agree (mostly) with your final sentence I just want to clarify something. It is not that white man/black woman is okay and the opposite is not, it is about the social hierarchy.
It is always okay for a woman to marry upwards - evolutionarily speaking they will be better protected and have better offspring with a better protector/provider.
By the same token, it is really unfortunate when women marry downwards, because it reduces their value forever. Once a woman deems it acceptable to lower her value down to someone else's level, it is generally reduced forever.
Women aren't a commodity.
It's fortunenate that you will never get married.
I am sitting next to my wife right now.
I am not saying what I am saying to be perjorative towards women or men. I gave you an explanation of why the phenomenon you pointed out happens. It has nothing to do with the culture or mores you put on top of it -- you could find equivalent examples within any culture if you look.
The human male is the stronger of the two sexes. Its role is to provide and protect its mate and its family. Part of the consideration of the human male is to find and court a suitable mate that is worth protecting.
The human female is inarguably more valuable than the human male - in a purely biological sense. You have known this since you were a child. If humanity were ever reduced to one woman and a hundred men, we would be absolutely doomed, whereas we could in theory rebuild the species with one man and 100 women.
So, it is the job of both men and women to ensure this solid family pairing happens. That is why it is not a problem when a woman "mates upward" because a higher status man can better provide. It's actually really simple.
But by the same logic, once a woman mates downward -- especially if that mating creates offspring -- it's over. Ask any single mother how easy it is find a good man. You could also go look at the data on step-parents and abuse and neglect.
So: what are you proposing? We just ignore our biology? We just... ignore these realities? Encourage men to marry downwards and encourage women not to preserve their value? Do you really think this is possible and/or desireable?
Because, to me... that sounds a lot like the hubris liberals look at the world.
We are animals. We are mammals. We can look at gorillas and dolphins (other intelligent and highly evolved mammals) and draw comparisons.
If you really believe what you are saying is true, replicate it with literally any mammal on earth. I believe such a thing is impossible, but I am a good scientist who is open to having my mind changed. But that takes actual hard data that to this point does not exist.
Humans have a very well-developed prefrontal cortex. This allows for critical thinking and higher executive functioning -- but all too often this just puts window dressing on basic biological and mammalian behaviors.
I will never understand why evolutionary psychology is so scary to people. We are just animals in an ecosystem. Stop trying to change us and change the ecosystem.
don't waste your time with eisenhorn. it's just here to FUD/D&C
*eisenhomo
You know -- I don't really care if I am lecturing a wall.
Because I would always rather say the truth and hope it has some effect than say nothing.
It does lend itself to a lot of wasted time, I will grant you that.
Waifus don't count, you know that?
Oh you really are a little troll, ain't'cha?
I'll be patiently waiting here for you to read and respond to anything I said.
I won't be holding my breath for it, though.
I honestly wouldn't care if he had.
Though the bible has some things to say about lying with beasts...
Thomas Jefferson probably didn’t even exist so….