My theory is that the west did this against the wishes of Zelenksy. Putin has previously said that he wasn’t targeting Zelenksy for assassination.
This might change now. Which is exactly why the Ukrainians are claiming they are not responsible. Imo it’s very clear that Zelenksy did not order this.
I don’t think the west is happy with how the conflict is going and put this in motion to put Zelenksy on the hot seat. Perhaps they teamed up with someone in the ukr military to do this… or it could have been a strategic partner. Hard to say.
But If Seymour Hersh’s recent reporting is correct… then Zelenksy has been buying gas from Russia, skimming off those flows, and completely undermining the sanctions regime against Russia.
He’s doing this as he makes poor decisions. He should have strategically retreated from Bakmhut at least 2 months ago. Now the chances of a counteroffensive succeeding are very slim.
Now the west wants to push him out, so they bait Putin, or potentially even will make the move themself and have everyone frame Putin.
But that’s just a theory. I’m curious who you guys think is behind this assassination attempt.
It's hard to find any truth
Ukraine has a track record. It doesn't mean guilt but advances probability. It has committed assassination in Russia. Advisor's daughter killed by assassination. Peterborough explosion with reported affiliations towards. A recent fire in the Kremlin? On Putin's visit to Ukraine a few weeks ago boasted of attempts by drone to assassinate. Putin is a wanted man internationally with warrants for his arrest in multiple countries threatening action if on visitation. Ukraine by drone and sabotage have been stepping up attacks in Russia and have conducted attacks in Belarus.
The timing is dubious prior to any Ukrainian offensive, justifies action, like increased conscription and warrants recourse in the eyes of Russia. There are bigger questions on how a drone penetrated air defenses. But it is not impossible if inside the air defenses and used cover etc. The damage was also fiscal. Why would Russia target its power structure. This is alarming and historic. Although nothing surprises today if nukes are on the table or it likewise bombards Ukrainian command structures. Although to be seen as compromising isn't their image persay. It relies on much bigger antiaircraft sales and advanced weapon systems.
Who knows, in either event it escalates the situation which by any degree has been escalating.
The goal is surrender and acceptance of territory claimed by both sides. If any truce is to be made, it will have to accept the other side. This is almost impossible geographically without the loss of territory. Hence an escalating conflict. Ukraine doesn't want Russia in what it considers its borders, demanding warcrimes and removal of Russian occupation. Russia doesn't want Nato on its border and wants to make sure its interests, bases, trade, and commerce is protected, as well as Russian citizens who have been Russian for much longer before Ukraine claimed devolution.
Any goal uses agenda and has much wider geopolitical strategy and politics.
There is no end goal. We are already in the end-game. TPTB run shit. Central banks have been dancing in the endzone for at least 100 years.
The only goal is to stay on top, to keep people distracted away from the fact that we are all slaves. Sure there's conflicting interests, and people fight to be on top of the top, but they all agree on keeping you a slave.
Notice the lack disagreement about covid lockdowns? Notice the lack of opposition to war? They'll pick sizes, but never point out that banks and global corporations win every war at the expense of citizens.
If you want to fight TPTB, do not support any war. Government is a monopoly on violence. You will not beat them at their own game which they created. The only winning move is not to play.
Either way, it will probably lead to escalation.
I've been hearing this for months and months now.
"Oh noes! This thing that Ukraine has done will surely lead to more escalation! They should roll over and just submit!"
And the conflict has steadily escalated?
What’s your point?
Are you saying that an assassination attempt isn’t escalation? Or won’t lead to escalation?
If so, you have a poor understanding of game theory, imo.
Not really. In the beginning, Russia tried taking Kyiv, miserably failed, took some territory but lost large parts of it, and the whole thing has pretty much stalled for a while.
Keep up with the news.
Did you watch the video of the drone? It was a small civilian drone with some incendiary device strapped to it. How is that an "assassination attempt"? Do you think that could have killed Putin? Was he on the roof at the time?
Besides, Russia has been trying to kill Zelensky since day one.
Zelenksy has been buying Russian diesel and making Putin rich lol. He’s been making terrible strategic decisions that have put Putin in an advantageous position.
You don’t know what your talking about.
The Russians didn’t even start out targeting infrastructure.
Then they started hitting energy and water infrastructure. Also known as… escalation.
Ukraine didn’t use chemical weapons at the start of the conflict. But then they escalated and started doing this with drones. Also known, as escalation.
The number troops committed to the conflict have grown steadily throughout. Also known… as fucking escalation.
Towns and cities that used to exist are getting erased from the map. That’s escalation…
Now you have assasination attempts on Putin. Effective or not… that’s clearly escalation and will lead to more nonsense.
Someone from another forum had this to say:
“ I sense the approach of a psychological operation centered upon a nuclear scare event. This drone strike was clearly an attempt to either provoke a retaliation from Putin, thereby escalating World War III, or a narrative setup that will lead into their next false flag during which they will likely attempt to nuke a city like Kiev and lay the blame at Putin's feet.”
Nukes arent real, Jew scum.
Either a Russian false flag but that would be really stupid or some anti-government Russians.
I doubt that Ukraine would spend the time and effort on this and then not take responsibility.
I disagree.
The conflict dynamics are currently strongly in Russia’s favor.
If I’m Putin, I want Zelenksy to stay in power.
He’s making terrible decisions and has to balance too many corrupt priorities. He’s gone against the wishes of Pentagon military advisers and fucked his chances for a successful counter offensive.
Given those dynamics… it’s the west that has the greatest incentive to launch this attack and push Zelenksy out, or get him killed.
I could see them working with some generals or intelligence officers that are perhaps unhappy with how Zelenksy has mismanaged things.
This would explain the disorganized Ukrainian response. It was Zelenksys personal office who put out a statement that Ukraine was not responsible. As he flees…
What the fuck am I reading. 400+ days of war and Russia is nowhere near any kind of win while more and more NATO arms pour into Ukraine. NATO is expanding. Russia's economy is getting worse and worse.
How is that favorable to Russia?
I mean how is Russia not winning? The war is in khokhol territory so the khokhol starvation rats have to shove the brave russian soldiers out. This is similar to how Germany was winning ww1 before the Jews stabbed them in the back.
I don’t give a fuck what you have to say, fake ass shill.
Nice filler comment.
Hate larp on the next one?
You’re a Jew. You shouldn’t have to worry about what anyone says because you should have been exterminated.
400+ days and they haven't won. Easy as that.
How are they winning exactly?
Maybe you’re reading from too many biased MSM sources.
They don’t have good info.
They would have you believe Russian casualties are higher despite the fact that the Russians enjoy an artillery advantage or at least 5:1 (in terms of shells fired daily).
And most casualties in the conflict are from artillery fire.
I do think Russia wanted to end this all quickly, as you said. But when that didn’t work they pivoted, rather quickly, to a grinding war of attrition where they have the clear advantage.
Doesn’t help that Zelenksy is undermining sanctions and buying russian diesel, while skimming for kickbacks.
That should tell you everything you need to know about how Putin feels about Zelenksy and this conflict.
Putin is literally making money off the diesel being used to power nato tanks in Ukraine. Think about that for a second.