Flat Earthers: What They Believe and Why - Birth of an old Religion
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I was mostly pleasantly surprised by this “article”. The person being interviewed seems to have a genuine interest in the subject, and even more rare than that - actual experience with it.
This is incorrect. All models (including the globe) suffer from an inability to explain gravitation. But the reason for that is that gravitation is not real, and so cannot be the cause of gravity.
Many flat earth researchers can explain gravity without difficulty, and their explanations are supported by observation and experiment (unlike gravitation).
In my view, this is equal parts contrived strawman (popularized by the flat earth society, and other groups - to make their followers appear/sound foolish) and satire. It is every bit as farcical and stupid to believe that the world accelerates upwards perpetually as it is to believe it pulls downwards perpetually.
Not a problem at all! Just a freshman level misunderstanding of relativity and the speed of light. However, it is stupid and unscientific to think anything - regardless of direction - is or ever could be accelerating perpetually.
True. Flat earth and flat earthers are a heavily advertised (i.e. funded) psyop. There are earnest researchers out there though, which the psyop exists to suppress and discredit.
Sadly the interviewee goes on to say that flat earth research and conventions are dangerous, implying that free thought and assembly on this topic ought to be outlawed, because it promotes/encourages other unpopular ideas.
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Gravity is a side effect of the electrical interactions in the universe, plasma cosmology has the most answers when it comes to the attempt to explain 'gravity'
Everything else, is still operating at a elementary level of understanding of the related concepts.
Flat earth is a preposterous suggestion to delve into with the evidence on hand.
There is good reason to keep it alive because in a world of bullshit, each piece matters.
It has been pushed as a religion for the weak minded the same crowd that pushes co2 climate control belief, same basket of retard.
I don’t think that is the case at all. Why do you?
In my view, gravity is very simple and its cause is completely explained by archimedes’ principle. It is fictional gravitation which makes it seem complicated.
It seems that way at first glance, but i assure you - the opposite is the case. You can only discover that by earnest research and discussion though.
Agreed. A lot of money is spent propagating it.
Earnest flat earth research, just like earnest climate science, is very different than what is advertised to us by our enemies though!
Without question, the power of gravity is nothing compared to electrical reactions.
When we look at the formation of spiral galaxies, we can see that chaos and gravity are not the driving creators it is electrical energy.
Flat earth is silly, if it had any merit we would have full video of the planet over the course of 24 hours, there is a reason this footage is not available and the flat earth belief is likely it.
You are safe to ignore it completely, live your life without it and research to your hearts content on constructs that pertain to forward momentum of knowledge in general.
You could say the same thing about wind. Yet using wind or electricity to cause something substantial to lift is no small order.
You could say the same thing about lifting, writ-large. The power of gravity is nothing compared to lifting (because we can lift things). I don’t think your statement is all that meaningful or fundamentally accurate.
It’s a rephrasing of the common “gravitation is weak/diffuse” conceit used to pretend that is the reason gravitation (unlike electricity or magnetism - for instance) is fundamentally useless. In my view, it is useless because it is non-real/fictional and unscientific.
We can believe such things, and there may be merits in such beliefs however we don’t see “formation” of spiral galaxies, and fundamentally have no idea what we are looking at. We have lots of mythology (i.e. guesses) for what they are and how they are made, but no science.
It is true that none of our models (computer simulations) work to describe such galaxy formation assuming all our mythological/pseudoscientific/religious beliefs regarding them are correct (aka cosmology/astronomy/astrophysics). Adding in speculations of equally unverified and unverifiable “electrical energy” is akin to “dark matter”/“dark energy” and other contrived fiction designed to bail out plainly failed models and continue to cling to mythology over science.
It only appears that way at first glance, without any earnest research or discussion. There are also heavily advertised (i.e. funded) psyop campaigns to ensure/encourage you to never seriously evaluate it. Why do you think such large amounts of money are spent to convince people that something that is already ostensibly silly/stupid by default is “far too silly to ever actually evaluate”? Methinks the woman doth protest too much!
If the earth were flat, and not a planet, how could you ever obtain such footage (without fabricating/faking it)? I agree that flat earth belief is a scourge, as is globe earth belief. If you believe that the world is round, flat, or any other shape - you have faith not fact. Belief is the enemy of knowledge and to objective study of any kind (it’s also known as bias).
You are “safe” to ignore most everything completely, depending on your definition of safe. But ignoring (or rather attempting to ignore) reality, comes with steep penalties as well as missed opportunities. It was “safe” for our ancestors to believe zeus was responsible for all the lighting and storms - but it was still wrong and limited their ability to know the real world.
I research it because it is extremely rewarding, and because i value the pursuit of truth more than i care about ridicule. Many, perhaps most, radically new ideas are maligned/detested/attacked.
My question for you is, “If the world were truly flat, would you want to know it?”. Assuming it were true, even hypothetically; wouldn’t researching the subject “pertain to forward momentum of knowledge in general”?
My hypothesis is that real flat-Earthers (not the trolls or feds) simply can't evaluate evidence. They just don't have the capacity to do so. This is why 39 out of 40 get into it because of videos (and why they always try to share videos and articles instead of ever explaining anything); FE is a religious belief, not a scientific theory. You need to be persuaded, not convinced.
To a certain extent, I sympathize. If you can't determine truth for yourself, what are your options? It's not stupid, in that case, to go along with the crowd, or a trusted authority; they're far more likely to be right than a random guess. But they're fallible and, particularily these days, corrupt and spread misinformation.
So they FE types throw the baby out with the bathwater. If they're lying about one thing, they must be lying about everything, all the way to the shape of the planet and the physical systems that govern it.
And they're not entirely wrong, either. I can't prove who did 9/11, but I have no faith in the official explanation. They basically admitted to JFK and even the moon landing could very well be fabricated; it's just the kind of deceptive theater that they do.
But, at the end of the day, the FE crowd is making wild guesses. That I don't mind. What I mind is that they think they should be taken seriously when they literally don't understand anything they're talking about; they're just out to trip you up with obscure factoids and gotcha questions which, if you can't answer off the top of your head, supposedly prove FE.
It's really hard to look into FE due to the toxic attitudes and bombastic assertions made by many FE's. I'm 100% supportive of questioning everything, but making claims as if they were fact and ridiculing anyone who questions it does not lead to constructive research. The name-calling is so juvenile that it is hard to take either side seriously.
There are exceptions to this toxic behavior, but it's rare. It seems like the same cult-like behavior that afflicts covidians has also taken hold of many FE's. They saw their YouTube teachers talk shit about everyone, so they do the same.
They have some great questions, and even some great evidence. They need to remember that what they are working with is a theory, and it is okay to be wrong about something and go back to the drawing board.
Yes.
It is a religion in the sense it is used to control thought and effort.
Just like league sports are used to occupy a portion of your thought and effort, since their conception as a tool to draw crowds.
You could be doing something or having an important conversation, if you are one of these people sucked into this, if a news broadcast starts to talk about your team, then your brain is immediately refocused on your trained interest, as an example.