Bullshit. Kiev Patriarchate Ukrainian Orthodox Church, that separated from Moscow patriarchate of Ukrainian Orthodox Church in 1992 (not in 2019) in the split you talk about,
No, I talk about the split in 2019 which is why I specified that. I might still get the names wrong, it's very confusing.
No, I talk about the split in 2019 which is why I specified that
There was no any split in 2019. In 2019 Kiev patriarchate (independent from Moscow patriarchate since 1992) Ukrainian Orthodox Church was shut down by Zelensky government and its property was forcefully transferred by civilian court order to fake "Orthodox Church of Ukraine".
There was two Orthodox Churches in Ukraine before 2019 - Moscow patriarchate and Kiev patriarchate. There was no any other Orthodox Churches in Ukraine at all.
Moscow patriarchate existed without any splits until was banned in 2023. It had 25% of population as parisioners.
So, Kiev patriarchate Ukrainian Orthodox Church is the only church you could talk about. It had another 25% of Ukraine population as parisioners. But it didn't split too. It was shut down in 2019, not split.
There was no any other Orthodox churches in Ukraine at all. Some citizens was parisioners of Hungarian Orthodox Church or Romanian Orthodox Church, by ethnicity and ties to their respective motherlands.
There was fake organisation created by government named "Orthodox Church of Ukraine" that perverted nearly every basic thing in Orthodox faith, without any significant number of members. This organisation received all property that belonged to Kiev patriarchate Ukrainian Orthodox Church after it was shut down in 2019 by Zelensky.
JFYI: Being schoolboy, during one of summer vacations I was baptised in Ukrainian Orthodox Church (only Moscow patriarchate existed at the time) by my far relatives who live in Ukraine, Yes, it was Soviet times and I had absolutely no problems with that, being member of Pioneers state communist organisation for mid-schoolchildren and so on. So, I'm not just some side observer, I have direct Spirit connection to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, so it is literally my duty to be aware of what is really happening with my spirit home. Hopefully, that small church where I was baptised was not destroyed by Kiev regime shelling yet, and seems they will not be able to do that anymore.
I see you don't mention that the Patriarch over the Moscow patriarchate aligns with Putin on every point of this war, without rebuke or critique.
So what? Moscow patriarchate Ukraininan Orthodox Church parisioners are mostly Russian-speaking citizens of Eastern Ukraine. So, there is nothing strange at all that priests show support to the hopes of their parisioners.
Could you provide any agrument, why priests of Moscow patriarchate Ukrainian Orthodox Church should follow the desires of insane anti-Russian jewish government and push their narratives to Russian-speaking parisioners who hate that government?
Orhtodox Church is not Catholics or Protestants, that will follow any agenda government will push. It survived much harder times of jewish bolshevik antireligion terror, why do you think it will bend before some jewish actor?
Moreover, independent from Moscow patriarchate, Kiev patriarchate Ukrainian Orthodox Church was even more irreconcilable toward obviously jewish and anti-christian Ukrainian government, that is why it was shut down much earlier than Moscow patriarchate. That western Ukraine priests with their Ukrainian speaking parisioners was Putin stooges too?
So, then all Orthodoxes in Ukraine (50% of population) somehow are Russian supporters. Think about it. And think what side you are on, if, according to your own logic all Ukrainian Orthodox or 50% of population support Russia.
No, I talk about the split in 2019 which is why I specified that. I might still get the names wrong, it's very confusing.
This isn't religious persecution, it's war.
There was no any split in 2019. In 2019 Kiev patriarchate (independent from Moscow patriarchate since 1992) Ukrainian Orthodox Church was shut down by Zelensky government and its property was forcefully transferred by civilian court order to fake "Orthodox Church of Ukraine".
There was two Orthodox Churches in Ukraine before 2019 - Moscow patriarchate and Kiev patriarchate. There was no any other Orthodox Churches in Ukraine at all.
Moscow patriarchate existed without any splits until was banned in 2023. It had 25% of population as parisioners.
So, Kiev patriarchate Ukrainian Orthodox Church is the only church you could talk about. It had another 25% of Ukraine population as parisioners. But it didn't split too. It was shut down in 2019, not split.
There was no any other Orthodox churches in Ukraine at all. Some citizens was parisioners of Hungarian Orthodox Church or Romanian Orthodox Church, by ethnicity and ties to their respective motherlands.
There was fake organisation created by government named "Orthodox Church of Ukraine" that perverted nearly every basic thing in Orthodox faith, without any significant number of members. This organisation received all property that belonged to Kiev patriarchate Ukrainian Orthodox Church after it was shut down in 2019 by Zelensky.
JFYI: Being schoolboy, during one of summer vacations I was baptised in Ukrainian Orthodox Church (only Moscow patriarchate existed at the time) by my far relatives who live in Ukraine, Yes, it was Soviet times and I had absolutely no problems with that, being member of Pioneers state communist organisation for mid-schoolchildren and so on. So, I'm not just some side observer, I have direct Spirit connection to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, so it is literally my duty to be aware of what is really happening with my spirit home. Hopefully, that small church where I was baptised was not destroyed by Kiev regime shelling yet, and seems they will not be able to do that anymore.
I see you don't mention that the Patriarch over the Moscow patriarchate aligns with Putin on every point of this war, without rebuke or critique.
So what? Moscow patriarchate Ukraininan Orthodox Church parisioners are mostly Russian-speaking citizens of Eastern Ukraine. So, there is nothing strange at all that priests show support to the hopes of their parisioners.
Could you provide any agrument, why priests of Moscow patriarchate Ukrainian Orthodox Church should follow the desires of insane anti-Russian jewish government and push their narratives to Russian-speaking parisioners who hate that government?
Orhtodox Church is not Catholics or Protestants, that will follow any agenda government will push. It survived much harder times of jewish bolshevik antireligion terror, why do you think it will bend before some jewish actor?
Moreover, independent from Moscow patriarchate, Kiev patriarchate Ukrainian Orthodox Church was even more irreconcilable toward obviously jewish and anti-christian Ukrainian government, that is why it was shut down much earlier than Moscow patriarchate. That western Ukraine priests with their Ukrainian speaking parisioners was Putin stooges too?
So, then all Orthodoxes in Ukraine (50% of population) somehow are Russian supporters. Think about it. And think what side you are on, if, according to your own logic all Ukrainian Orthodox or 50% of population support Russia.
Username checks out.
Ditch the strawmen and maybe you could have a reasonable conversation with somebody, sometime.
If you're not beating the drums of war you are complacent about its evil.