This is a reply to u/Zap_Powerz discussion thread Discussion thread. So what the fucked happened to Americans specifically, but Westerners in general?.
As I started writing the reply it got a little out of control and I realized that the speculative theory I've put together probably needs it own thread.
NOTE:This is all theory and guesswork based upon publicly available data:
I think it goes all the way back to before WW2, and what Eisenhower might have discovered as Supreme Allied Commander in Europe.
In WW2 Eisenhower would have had access to a lot of intelligence provided by actual ‘white hats’ – aka normal people who were involved in the intelligence community who were doing their jobs because of actual patriotic duty and not because they were beholden to some other clandestine entity. As a result the intelligence delivered to Eisenhower would have been clean and accurate. Many of these intelligence operatives would have remained working for the government well after the war, and more than likely advised Eisenhower when he was President.
Whatever it was they discovered, it was on a scale large enough that it prompted Eisenhower to deliver his famous and mysterious exit message as he left office:
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
I suspect he knew something was going on, and likely warned the incumbent JF Kennedy about it. Then a couple of years later Kennedy issued a similar warning to the American people, in 1961:
Today no war has been declared--and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired….
…And we are as a people, inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings.
…For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.
I’m pretty sure this is what got Kennedy killed. It also sounds a shit-ton similar to what we are living through today.
So what were Eisenhower and Kennedy freaking out about? Some speculate it was the military-industrial complex, the media, freemasons, communists, or a combination of all of the above.
Me? I think it had to do with a growing tyrannical movement within global business who thought Hitler and Stalin had the right ideas, but poor implementation.
Prior to the outbreak of WW2, the growing fascist movements in the USA (Italy, Germany) were giving hard-ons to American business people. As early as 1933 American business entrepreneurs tried to overthrow the US government of FDR in order to implement a German style National Socialist government in the US, under control of American business professionals. One of the names associated with this plot was Prescott Bush, aka the father of George Bush senior. (NOTE: a lot of the details of the business plot have been white-washed and finding good details of it, and Bush’s involvement is becoming difficult, but not impossible. Most recent claims is that Prescott was too busy with the Nazi party in Germany to be distracted by things like coup-d'etats in America - lol).
Once the pain-in-the-ass leaders like Eisenhower and Kennedy were out of the way, the now US Senator (1952-1963) Prescott Bush got his baby boy George into the CIA around 1960-1961. There is also a possibility George may have had some involvement regarding the Kennedy assassination.
I also suspect the influx of German Nazis now employed in the CIA and other US government organizations (see: Operation Paperclip and also SS Commander Werner Von Braun for examples) worked amazingly well for former Business Plot participants and the ever growing Nazi fan base in American business. The Nazi ideology likely seeped its way very deeply into the collective consciousness of US Intelligence.
A little later, baby George was made US Envoy to the People’s Republic of China, and then in 1976 was made Director of the CIA by President Ford.
Of course George then ran as VP with Reagan and secured the most powerful job on the planet, President of the USA, in 1989.
I think this is when all the hijinks started and the Bush family began to implement the grand plan they had been formulating since the 1930’s – convert the USA to a National Socialist utopia where only the wealthy and influential were permitted special ruling status. The remainder of the population would be turned into labor serfs.
During Bush Sr’s reign as VP he began to groom an up and coming Governor known Bill Clinton whose wife was padawan to fellow white supremist and Nazi sympathizer Robert Byrd.
While Bush was President he had access to high level US Intelligence and finance and could begin to implement ‘the plan’ as the dwindling threat of the Soviet Union faded into the sunset. Loss of the Presidency to Clinton in 1993 allowed Bush greater power as he was able to influence both the Republican party and, through Clinton, the Democrats. To ensure a continuous line of power, George Bush Jr began the machinations required for his later presidential run. Following Bush Jr., Hillary Clinton was tapped as the subsequent President. Jeb would likely follow, then Chelsea. This would allow almost 33 years of uncontested dominance (1989 – 2032) of the Bush plan. (Obama’s success threw a wrench into this plan, but money, power, and blackmail would later secure his loyalty to the cause, as it also would later on for Biden).
From this point forward is where we witness the decline of the USA. Through the use of state sponsored propaganda (using the tools discovered by the German Nazi party, and honed to perfection by the CIA), substandard foods, drug importation, lower education standards, false flags, mass immigration and general degradation of the patriotic American identity. All of it would be funded by a string of endless wars and the black budgets they allowed for. Of course, the black budgets the US government had access to could only contain so much money, and looting too much money might catch the attention of those not involved in ‘the plan’. Fortunately the fall of the Soviet Union came with an added benefit… Many of it’s former states were now ripe for the picking.
Also, one very specific country, Ukraine, just happened to be the ancestral homeland of the Khazarian Jews.
In case you didn’t know, Khazars were a tribal people living in the Black Sea area of Crimea. Some time around the 8th century the Khazar leader decided it was time to stop being pagans and adopt one of those new fangled religions. He invited leaders of the Christian, Jewish, and Muslim religion to present arguments for why his people should adopt one of these religions. Apparently the Jews won this debate, and the leader of the Khazars converted his people to Judaism.
It is debated as to whether Khazars are the tribal ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews because there is conflicting evidence that modern day Ashkenazis share DNA with Khazarians. However it was Ashkenazis who slowly migrated west through Crimea to the Holy Roman Empire (roughly 11 c. AD).
Ashkenazi’s are currently the largest Jewish population in the USA, and also are the same sub-group the Rothschild family is descended from.
If Crimea is indeed the ancestral homeland of Khazarian/Ashkenazi Jews, then it would appear that some of the wealthiest Jewish families in the world (specifically the Rothschilds) would have a very specific interest in the reclamation of their ancestral homeland.
President Bill Clinton was one of the first to recognize not only the strategic value of the Ukrainian Crimea, but also to identify some very lucrative sponsors from wealthy Jewish families. Since Clinton’s term as President, Ukraine has received annual “financial support” from the USA in the order of billions of dollars annually. In exchange for the return of their ancestral homeland, the Khazar/Ashkenazi banking and finance billionaires would not only help fund the shortfalls of US black-budget implementation of “the plan” but would also ensure the continued wealth of the Bush and Clinton families.
Another happy participant and descendant of Nazis is Klaus Schwab, founder of the World Economic Forum. Being the son of a former Nazi, he likely grew up hearing the stories of glory of the 3rd Reich. The National Socialist ideology promoted at the dinner table appears to have been instrumental in forming his ideology for One World Government. Klaus has become the Gentile’s Rothschild. With his WEF strategy of ‘penetrating world governments’, he has taken the Bush families implementation of ‘the plan’ and spread it globally like a disease.
By also leveraging the WHO, he has not only ‘penetrated’ global financial assets, but also health assets. The former communist member of the “Tigray People’s Liberation Front” Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus is now Director of the WHO since 2017. His communist ideology aligns perfectly with Schwab’s interpretation of global Socialism, and appears to have gleefully followed Schwabs adherence to ‘the plan’.
TLDR: This all started with Nazi fan bois in the 1930's and the modern day Bush and Clinton families are trying to create a Globalist Socialist Government with the help of former Nazis and displaced Jews seeking a return of their homeland.
Note: Neither I, nor any of my friends or family, have any desire to commit suicide or disappear without cause
Just going through the reports on this thread and I find you saying "ok clemaneuvers" repeatedly to u/TallestSkil.
This is wrong. I do not have any alt or sock puppet accounts on this website. I don't have the time nor inclination for such nonsense.
Excellent point!
Now, why did I start doing that, and how is that different from what TallestSkil did?
Are you clever enough to figure it out?
Thank you, yes. Of course your denial will mean more proof to him.
I think it's more wrong that you repeatedly remove his content without banning.
And you didn't respond when I asked you about it earlier either.
So what am I to think?
I ban spammers and trolls. People who come here specifically to spam, or to troll the users here, who have no interest in any posts or comments made here other than to troll. People who contribute nothing but spma or troll comments. I look through their accounts to determine as such. It's glaringly obvious really when they are nothing but a spammer or troll.
Another user (who I know is genuine) made the case in modmail that TallestSkil is a passionate and genuine user of this website, and asked he be unbanned on conspiracies despite his tendency to resort to telling other users to kill themselves in arguments.
While I don't like it personally, I'm old enough to remember when this kind of behavior was common and often permitted, even on reddit ("KYS" was the oft used acronym). There was even a common meme pic you would often see, of a smiling man saying "kill yourself".
Anyway, I looked into his account and determined he is not a troll or spammer, a user who makes genuine posts of interest, and as such granted the request (note: I was not the mod who banned him in the first place). I have requested he refrain from such (what I consider to be childish) comments.
I will remove such comments when I see them or when they are reported, mostly since users say they find them offensive or intolerable. So it's in his interest to not make them, especially when he puts a lot of effort into a response that sadly may contain such a comment and as such warrant it's removal.
However, banning a genuine user, especially when we have relatively so few, doesn't sit right with me. I don't think anyone could make the case convincingly to me that TallestSkil is simply a spammer or troll who hates this website and it's users in general and is only here to troll, and as such needs to be banned outright.
I am actively trying to avoid the overzealous moderation style that reddit has forced mods into. As such, you will see stuff here that would result in a ban on reddit that doesn't result in a ban here. But if it's reported and I agree it's offensive or unpleasant enough, I will remove it. But I'm not actively hunting for these comments.
Lying about other users isn't quite an argument, is it?
Sure, spamming is a lot of effort.
When I say spam, I mean people trying to promote or sell websites or stuff here, or seek donations or defraud people, that kind of thing. That's my definition of spam. Lengthy comments (regardless of perceived quality) are not "spam", in my opinion.
Comments I would consider to be spam are when someone just fills the reply box with one word, or symbols, copy and pasted repeatedly, basically filling the screen with gibberish, that sort of thing. I don't consider lengthy comments of (relatively) coherent sentences in response to another comment, regardless of quality, to be spam.
I'm sure you'd really appreciate my hands-off approach if you gave it some thought, despite me not banning the user you want me to ban. Especially if you came here after getting sick of reddit. If I banned every user who another user wanted me to ban, there would be very few users left.
as I've made clear, hopefully, we're very willing to reconsider bans when someone makes a case. The vast majority of bans never appeal or reply. And when they do, it's mostly very unpleasant or obviously bullshit.
If you want to appeal a ban, or appeal someone else's ban, best to contact the mod who banned directly. We don't get notifications for modmail.
He does indeed copy and paste responses, and they VERY often don't even coincide with what the person stated.
He will twist ANY argument that you make.
But I'm sure that's just his PASSION.
I see how it is.
TallestSkil 1 point 19 hours ago +1 / -0
What a valuable, passionate, and genuine user!
So why is TallestSkil allowed to LIE about the other users, repeatedly?
Is that being "genuine"?
Well, since Tallestskil's behavior is seen as acceptable by you, then you should have no problem if in the future I treat you with the same level of respect that he treats the other users (not you of course, he sucks up to you).
And since he can lie about me and just about everyone else, you should have no problem if I call him clemanuverers from now on.
It doesn't matter if it's the truth on not, does it now?