This is a reply to u/Zap_Powerz discussion thread Discussion thread. So what the fucked happened to Americans specifically, but Westerners in general?.
As I started writing the reply it got a little out of control and I realized that the speculative theory I've put together probably needs it own thread.
NOTE:This is all theory and guesswork based upon publicly available data:
I think it goes all the way back to before WW2, and what Eisenhower might have discovered as Supreme Allied Commander in Europe.
In WW2 Eisenhower would have had access to a lot of intelligence provided by actual ‘white hats’ – aka normal people who were involved in the intelligence community who were doing their jobs because of actual patriotic duty and not because they were beholden to some other clandestine entity. As a result the intelligence delivered to Eisenhower would have been clean and accurate. Many of these intelligence operatives would have remained working for the government well after the war, and more than likely advised Eisenhower when he was President.
Whatever it was they discovered, it was on a scale large enough that it prompted Eisenhower to deliver his famous and mysterious exit message as he left office:
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
I suspect he knew something was going on, and likely warned the incumbent JF Kennedy about it. Then a couple of years later Kennedy issued a similar warning to the American people, in 1961:
Today no war has been declared--and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired….
…And we are as a people, inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings.
…For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.
I’m pretty sure this is what got Kennedy killed. It also sounds a shit-ton similar to what we are living through today.
So what were Eisenhower and Kennedy freaking out about? Some speculate it was the military-industrial complex, the media, freemasons, communists, or a combination of all of the above.
Me? I think it had to do with a growing tyrannical movement within global business who thought Hitler and Stalin had the right ideas, but poor implementation.
Prior to the outbreak of WW2, the growing fascist movements in the USA (Italy, Germany) were giving hard-ons to American business people. As early as 1933 American business entrepreneurs tried to overthrow the US government of FDR in order to implement a German style National Socialist government in the US, under control of American business professionals. One of the names associated with this plot was Prescott Bush, aka the father of George Bush senior. (NOTE: a lot of the details of the business plot have been white-washed and finding good details of it, and Bush’s involvement is becoming difficult, but not impossible. Most recent claims is that Prescott was too busy with the Nazi party in Germany to be distracted by things like coup-d'etats in America - lol).
Once the pain-in-the-ass leaders like Eisenhower and Kennedy were out of the way, the now US Senator (1952-1963) Prescott Bush got his baby boy George into the CIA around 1960-1961. There is also a possibility George may have had some involvement regarding the Kennedy assassination.
I also suspect the influx of German Nazis now employed in the CIA and other US government organizations (see: Operation Paperclip and also SS Commander Werner Von Braun for examples) worked amazingly well for former Business Plot participants and the ever growing Nazi fan base in American business. The Nazi ideology likely seeped its way very deeply into the collective consciousness of US Intelligence.
A little later, baby George was made US Envoy to the People’s Republic of China, and then in 1976 was made Director of the CIA by President Ford.
Of course George then ran as VP with Reagan and secured the most powerful job on the planet, President of the USA, in 1989.
I think this is when all the hijinks started and the Bush family began to implement the grand plan they had been formulating since the 1930’s – convert the USA to a National Socialist utopia where only the wealthy and influential were permitted special ruling status. The remainder of the population would be turned into labor serfs.
During Bush Sr’s reign as VP he began to groom an up and coming Governor known Bill Clinton whose wife was padawan to fellow white supremist and Nazi sympathizer Robert Byrd.
While Bush was President he had access to high level US Intelligence and finance and could begin to implement ‘the plan’ as the dwindling threat of the Soviet Union faded into the sunset. Loss of the Presidency to Clinton in 1993 allowed Bush greater power as he was able to influence both the Republican party and, through Clinton, the Democrats. To ensure a continuous line of power, George Bush Jr began the machinations required for his later presidential run. Following Bush Jr., Hillary Clinton was tapped as the subsequent President. Jeb would likely follow, then Chelsea. This would allow almost 33 years of uncontested dominance (1989 – 2032) of the Bush plan. (Obama’s success threw a wrench into this plan, but money, power, and blackmail would later secure his loyalty to the cause, as it also would later on for Biden).
From this point forward is where we witness the decline of the USA. Through the use of state sponsored propaganda (using the tools discovered by the German Nazi party, and honed to perfection by the CIA), substandard foods, drug importation, lower education standards, false flags, mass immigration and general degradation of the patriotic American identity. All of it would be funded by a string of endless wars and the black budgets they allowed for. Of course, the black budgets the US government had access to could only contain so much money, and looting too much money might catch the attention of those not involved in ‘the plan’. Fortunately the fall of the Soviet Union came with an added benefit… Many of it’s former states were now ripe for the picking.
Also, one very specific country, Ukraine, just happened to be the ancestral homeland of the Khazarian Jews.
In case you didn’t know, Khazars were a tribal people living in the Black Sea area of Crimea. Some time around the 8th century the Khazar leader decided it was time to stop being pagans and adopt one of those new fangled religions. He invited leaders of the Christian, Jewish, and Muslim religion to present arguments for why his people should adopt one of these religions. Apparently the Jews won this debate, and the leader of the Khazars converted his people to Judaism.
It is debated as to whether Khazars are the tribal ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews because there is conflicting evidence that modern day Ashkenazis share DNA with Khazarians. However it was Ashkenazis who slowly migrated west through Crimea to the Holy Roman Empire (roughly 11 c. AD).
Ashkenazi’s are currently the largest Jewish population in the USA, and also are the same sub-group the Rothschild family is descended from.
If Crimea is indeed the ancestral homeland of Khazarian/Ashkenazi Jews, then it would appear that some of the wealthiest Jewish families in the world (specifically the Rothschilds) would have a very specific interest in the reclamation of their ancestral homeland.
President Bill Clinton was one of the first to recognize not only the strategic value of the Ukrainian Crimea, but also to identify some very lucrative sponsors from wealthy Jewish families. Since Clinton’s term as President, Ukraine has received annual “financial support” from the USA in the order of billions of dollars annually. In exchange for the return of their ancestral homeland, the Khazar/Ashkenazi banking and finance billionaires would not only help fund the shortfalls of US black-budget implementation of “the plan” but would also ensure the continued wealth of the Bush and Clinton families.
Another happy participant and descendant of Nazis is Klaus Schwab, founder of the World Economic Forum. Being the son of a former Nazi, he likely grew up hearing the stories of glory of the 3rd Reich. The National Socialist ideology promoted at the dinner table appears to have been instrumental in forming his ideology for One World Government. Klaus has become the Gentile’s Rothschild. With his WEF strategy of ‘penetrating world governments’, he has taken the Bush families implementation of ‘the plan’ and spread it globally like a disease.
By also leveraging the WHO, he has not only ‘penetrated’ global financial assets, but also health assets. The former communist member of the “Tigray People’s Liberation Front” Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus is now Director of the WHO since 2017. His communist ideology aligns perfectly with Schwab’s interpretation of global Socialism, and appears to have gleefully followed Schwabs adherence to ‘the plan’.
TLDR: This all started with Nazi fan bois in the 1930's and the modern day Bush and Clinton families are trying to create a Globalist Socialist Government with the help of former Nazis and displaced Jews seeking a return of their homeland.
Note: Neither I, nor any of my friends or family, have any desire to commit suicide or disappear without cause
Not a bad expose, but you are not really bang on yet.
First of all, it goes much further back than ww2, ww2 can be described as the first completely private funded military of such scope and capability.
Look at all the people that put money into the german army and who they were.
Fun read, still many hidden facets.
It all comes down to a book written thousands of years ago on how to slave people. That book and the many evolutions it has had bring us to today.
Thanks! This was just a quick brain vomit I put together on work breaks. I agree, this goes much much further back.
I'm even beginning to think this has impacted the foundation of Christianity.
What an apt statement, given that the OP is a complete alteration of reality.
Told ya
Which King Charles? From what I can tell each King Charles has been an idiot puppet of someone else.
Today's Charles is just a manipulated pedophile tool and part of 'the plan'.
You're conclusions are all wrong. You grasp at straws to tie these politicians to Nazis while ignoring the overwhelming zion influence prevalent throughout the lives and actions of the politicians. Your blindness is ludacris .
Hey champ, how about you actually present an argument? Telling me I'm all wrong and eluding to some grand conspiracy without any support is weak.
How about you, fuckstick? Why can’t you answer any of the questions you were asked? You presented bullshit without evidence, so he’s dismissing it without evidence. That’s how this works.
Here is literally how you opened your fine "argument":
Neocon? Seriously? What fucking Socialist short bus did you just get escorted off?
Lol, the best part was "incorrect views" .. I gotta admit, that made me laugh.
Then, after I asked you to "Show me your wisdom", you listed off a bunch of stupid fucking questions and then had a temper tantrum because I didn't want to waste my time addressing petty stupid, scripted, form-filled national socialist apologetic bullshit comments presented by someone who seemed butt hurt that I said bad words about Nazis.
But now I have some spare time at the end of the work day, and I'm bored, so lets get to brass tacks shall we?
Socialism - ANY SOCIALISM - can be surmised by any governance system which requires sacrifice of the individual for the betterment of the 'state'.
You can define the state as the nation, the commune, the monarch, the Caliph, the tribe, the village, or whatever you want.
National Socialism tricks the population labor force into sacrifice through claims of betterment of the Nation. Communist Socialism demands sacrifice for the commune. Etc.
In order for a socialist system to effectively harness the willing labor of the people it requires a boogeyman to motive the people against. In Bolshevik Russia the boogeyman was the reigning Czar who was abusing his power and money to the detriment of the working class.
German National Socialism used the specter of the Jews to blame for the shitty situation that Treaty of Versailles imposed upon the German people. The Jews were a wealthy migrant class of people who were abusing the German financial system and making a fortune off of it. The Nazi party quickly figured out they would be a great bad guy. Of course, being the student of history you claim to be, you also must know that the Nazi party didn't only target jews, they targeted gays, freemasons, political opponents, and basically anyone they didn't like or figured they should steal money and resources from. And the fuckin German people ate-it-up because the trickle down wealth from the Nazi party made the German people a LOT of money. Of course, the only reason that was because they were living off the accumulated wealth stolen from victim groups.
The reality is, Hitler and Stalin were butt-boys who hung out in the same coffee shops in Vienna with Trotsky in the late 1920's when figuring out some kind of socialist ideal was all the rage with people who visited coffee shops in Vienna in the 1920s. Hitler and Stalin were such besties, Stalin allowed Germany to develop its Blitzkrieg tactics in Siberia to ensure British high command remained unaware of the developing German military tactics.
Kind of weird that Stalin took their breakup so poorly after Hitler stabbed Russia in the back after the successful invasion of Poland.
Boobs like you are absolutely convinced that Communism and National Socialism are opposites because the jews you hate so much have convinced you through 80+ years of propaganda that it must be true.
The reality is, they are basically the same, except one abuses the labor of the people through bullshit nationalist fever and the other abuses labor through some kind of communal ideal. Other than that, --poof-- they are identical. And the train wreck results of governance by either ends the same.. every time. Enslavement of the working class to the benefit of the wealthiest or those the ruling elite determine who might deserve reward.
Modern day socialists like Klaus Schwab have taken the elements of failed German National Socialism and failed Russian Communism, cherry picked the good bits and shoved aside the uncomfortable bits (for the time being) to form some fucked up ideal of Global Socialism. Instead of targeting Jews and Gypsies, Globalist Socialists use Covid, anti-vaxxers, "right wing extremism" and whatever tool they can create to make the average brain dead person jump to contribute as much of their energy as they can to appease the global need for labor. Except the only ones who are getting to call the shots and make the millions are the selected elites.
Morons like you can't see the writing on the wall because your Grand Dragon has convinced you Hitler was a great guy, when in reality he was a stupid fuckin moron who caused every single military and social disaster that befell Germany on and off the battlefield.
China is loving this because there is no way they are a communal socialist nation. If you study their financial and social structures they are 100% National Socialists calling themselves Communists because no one wants to be called a Nazi in 2022. And by the way, China doesn't leverage the scary Jews as the boogeyman, they use Uighers and Falon-Gong and any other religious
Tedros Ghebreyesus loves this shit too because its all about forming one Global socialist utopia, and even though he doesn't get to have his sweet little African communes like he dreamed of, he still gets to run the WHO and help craft even more guidelines to enslave the average person and ensure he, his family and friends benefit from the collective wealth of the planet.
If you want a system that isn't dedicated to fucking over the average person, then you have the rely on systems which value sacrifice of the States power for the betterment of the individual. The closest we can get to that is an American style Republic. Thank god the founding father realized that self determination of the people is more powerful then autocratic commands of the state.
Also, fuck you.
You say things that only neocons say, so yea. Cry harder about being exposed.
Thanks for admitting that you’re a cultural marxist, then. One fucking sentence later. You can’t help yourself. You’re so brain damaged that you don’t even know you’re doing it. It’s fascinating.
You mean what you’re doing right now?
Translation: I cannot explain why I believe what I claim to believe about a matter of something I claim to be important.
Translation: I cannot refute your statements so I must attack you personally.
Translation: I am literally reading propaganda from a script given to me by zionist neoconservative civic nationalists who conquered the world after WWII and sold the West to communists, but I must project this behavior onto others because I cannot account for my own claimed beliefs.
I got nothing. You’re repeating talking points and claiming others came out of a mood.
I’m not a national socialist, though.
Translation: I cannot explain why I believe what I claim to believe about a matter of something I claim to be important.
Nope. You lied about history in a demonstrably provable way. You have no evidence for your claims and all documented history proves you wrong. You then refused to provide evidence or so much as explain why you believe what you claim to believe.
So yes, I’m going to fucking mock you for that, you goddamned shill.
Congratulations. The Founding Fathers of the United States were national socialists, by their own admission. It’s written publicly. Eat shit and die, you retarded pile of garbage. You know nothing about history. All nations are socialism. You pay your taxes, right? Congratulations, you’re a socialist. Fuck. Off. Dipshit. Taxes are a sacrifice. Your children are socialists because they demand you sacrifice to keep them alive. Either kill them or never have kids—die out forever so no one like you ever exists again. Otherwise you’re a socialist. So evil, right? How dare anyone ever expect you to give of yourself to help them. Filthy fucking individualist solipsistic narcissist slime that you are.
Prove it’s a trick. You will not answer.
So what’s the “boogeyman” used in the West today? Oh, right “white people exist and are evil for existing.” That’s right.
No, just to the detriment of the non-Russian jews who hate tried to assassinate him twice in 20 years.
No shit. So it’s wrong to stop that behavior? It’s wrong for the natives of a region to fight back against an invasion force stealing from them? You will not answer.
Doesn’t take a genius to know that bad people doing bad things are bad.
Your point?
You mean the jewish organization?
Jews?
You mean jews.
Prove claim. You will not do this.
Because they were right, as you personally just admitted.
Wow. Germans getting to keep the money that you personally admitted the invading jews were stealing. Such a horrible thing. Boy, those not sees sure were evil.
Stolen. Stolen by jews. Stolen by jews and suddenly no longer stolen by jews because jews weren’t allowed to steal anymore, as you yourself admitted. And this is bad to you. You consider this to be a bad thing. Not stealing is a bad thing.
Wrong.
Wrong.
And yet everyone who isn’t a paid shill knows that Stalin was two weeks from invading Germany, as admitted by Russia after the USSR fell. Whoops! Off yourself.
Nah, opposites aren’t the same thing. You’ve still said absolutely nothing whatsoever. Private property and state property are not the same. They are opposites. “Kill all ethnicities” and “preserve all ethnicities” are not the same. They are opposites. “All ideas belong to the state” and “all ideas belong to the individual mind that created them” are not the same. They are opposites. You are mentally ill.
Prove it. You will not answer.
Thanks for admitting they’re literal opposites.
So why didn’t this happen in Germany, since it happened in all actually communist nations?
Explain how it failed. You will not answer.
Not Russian.
Look at this retard go. He can’t even hide his own speech.
Translation: he’s a communist and is absolutely nothing like a national socialist in any way
Because jews are the ones who control it
White people. You missed the only actual one. White people. They use white people as their boogeyman. Because they want white genocide. Because jews have wanted to kill all white people for millennia.
Exactly like communism and exactly the opposite of national socialism. Your point?
Looking right at it.
Who’s this, Trump supporter?
Prove it. You will not answer.
Yeah, they love global communism since they’re a communist state that promotes communism alongside the jews in the West who promote communism and not national socialism because they’re communists. What is your point?
Ah, you’re mentally defective. That’s your point. Got it.
Because jews created communist China, yes. Retarded paid shill.
National socialism, then. Got it.
The Founding Fathers were overtly national socialists. They admitted it publicly.
Yep. Almost as though you know fucking nothing whatsoever about national socialism, huh.
Thanks for refusing to answer any of the questions that you were actually asked, refusing to explain any of your views of history in any capacity, refusing to cite your claims, refusing to provide evidence for them, and refusing to disprove—with citations—anything I countered previously.
You’re either fake or a fanatic. Either way, I’m out.
Thanks for refusing to answer any of the questions that you were actually asked, refusing to explain any of your views of history in any capacity, refusing to cite your claims, refusing to provide evidence for them, and refusing to disprove—with citations—anything I countered previously.
Thanks for refusing to answer any of the second set of questions that you were asked, refusing to explain any of your views with citations or sources, and refusing to disprove of my statements, old or new, with citations our sources.
Burn in hell, shill. We’re not falling for your narrative.
You draw this grand conspiracy to Nazi's elements working within the US government. Your support for this argument is pathetically weak:
Who is Saul_Alinsky: Jewish Mentor to Clinton and Obama.
Who did Hillary state she received orders from: Council on Foreign Relations with Jewish head Richard N. Haass Who did Biden claim was his boss: Council on Foreign Relations with Jewish head Richard N. Haass Who received an aisle seat at Chelsea Clinton's wedding: Jewish Spy Ghislaine Maxwell Who was Clinton caught with: Jewish Spy Jeffrey Epstein.
Who was running Obama's campaign: Jewish agent Rahm Emanuel. Who was steering Trump's presidency? Jew Jared Kushner, Jew Stephen Miller Who crafted foreign US foreign policy for the last 50 years: Jewish Henry Kissinger.
...do I really need to go on? I can. Look who controls Hollywood, the Federal Reserve, the US Treasury. Look at who Bush's, Clinton's, Trump's, Biden's daughters all married: Jews. Look at all of the top players within the DNC and their allegiance to Israel....Who did Biden staff in his cabinet: Jews.
I can go on and on and on.... I haven't even begun.... I hate to say it, but you are one dumb montherfucker if you're attributing the current direction of the world to Nazi elements.
u/#aliens
No, you stupid fucking neocon retard. You know nothing about national socialism. You know nothing about WWII. You know nothing about communism. You know a little about jews, which is honestly extremely surprising given your objectively incorrect views in everything else here.
Show me your wisdom.
Explain why you think a nationalist organization created solely to protect the respective nationalities of any given nation would support the communist conception of global ethnic genocide and the destruction of all nations.
Explain why you think that the propaganda mechanisms devised by communist jews and published in the 1910s and ‘20s have any resemblance whatsoever to the NSDAP making factual statements about domestic and foreign affairs.
Explain why you think the social policies of the communist movement have anything to do with the NSDAP’s implementation of social change in Germany.
Explain why you think the people who wanted jews removed from all positions of power in society want to give jews everything they ever wanted.
Explain why you think an avowed communist is a member of a group that wanted to exterminate communism.
You’re just too stupid to be here. Holy fucking shit.
He’s a jew, dipshit.
Wow, you are a little excited aren't you puppy? Looks like I hit a little bit of a nerve.
Okay, burn in hell. You’ve conceded the argument and admitted you know fuck all about the situation. You support white genocide and communist takeover of the world. Fuck off.
I think it is you that knows nothing.
Nazi are zionist creation, which is why they are zionist. Get over yourself.
Nope. Wrong. Exact opposite of reality.
lol, do some research kid, it is pretty obvious how weimer was built to produce the sentiment to push zionism. All of the entire plan is the same plan.
The reason it happened was to create the outcome, which happened.
All the funding that created the movement everything is all there in front of you, once you get over your simpleton ignorance you may understand that this has been thousands of years in the making.
Okay. No one here is talking about Weimar.
As I said, it is all tied together it is the same thing. Where did your so called 'nationalism' come from. It came from the need that was pushed to them, by who?
Keep digging.
Opposites are not the same.
GENETICS.
IT’S IN YOUR FUCKING BONES.
This is a retarded response, but given the majority of your comments and content, I suppose it is on par.
You do not seem to understand very much, you attempt to respond to small tiny segments without context and pretend you have a point, its fucking stupid and small brained leftist shit, you are useless.
When I said the same thing, it was a reference to the formation of the actions culminating to the outcome, the goal is the same, You are ignorant to pretend that the need for nationalism was not spawned therefore brought into existence.
Previously sure it was something people thought of and shared but the movement did not exist, you are just being stupid and ignorant to try to bottle it all up into one incorrect assumption based on your lack of understanding.
It is not genetics, it is 100% mental state and training. You are not genetically disposed to think you are different, initially your genes could give a flying fuck.
It is the Experience of interactions that brings thought process which is then shared. Get your bullshit straight at least.
At any rate, people with small brains love to follow and assimilate. Your life experiences to date are a reflection of that, you align yourself to nazi cause the people that got thru to you convinced you. You were not born this way.
In reality, it is just another tool to control and manipulate people. The goal of nazism is zionism to create the states for the khazarian devil worshippers.
Just like all religions were subverted and created long ago with the same goals.
National Socialists and Communists are fuck buddies. Basically always have been since the start. They are both an embarrassment of governance.
All government structures since the dawn of time are constructs of the desire to implement control structures over other people.
This is obvious, imagine thousands of years ago life in the cave with some shitty leadership run by physical brute strength and small brains, forcing everyone to march to the shitty beat rinse and repeat till modern times.
Fuck off, dumbass.
u/#Triggered
Okay, burn in hell. You’ve conceded the argument and admitted you know fuck all about the situation. You support white genocide and communist takeover of the world. Fuck off.
You've gone from just being a dick to crying like a little bitch. Go back to your corner. Come back when you are a grown up and know what you are talking about bitch.
Eat shit. I asked you questions. You refused to answer. You have nothing. You’ve conceded the argument and admitted you know fuck all about the situation. You support white genocide and communist takeover of the world. Fuck off, dumbass shill. You’ll have to do better than that to trick anyone here.
You copied and pasted this statement, you are shill
Wrong. Burn in hell.
Doesn't seem that mysterious to me tbh, I just think there is this severe and pervasive mental disconnect where people can know (vaguely or in detail, doesn't matter) that their government (with its military and alphabets) is doing extremely fucked up things around the world, yet they don't (can't?) fathom that their government would also do super fucked up things to them, it's like being the young kid of a total psychopath parent, where they believe their parent must love them on at least some level because that's how it's supposed to be, and that instinctive belief thus becomes a tragedy, that's basically the relationship between western civilians and their government
Thanks for refusing to answer any of the questions that you were actually asked, refusing to explain any of your views of history in any capacity, refusing to cite your claims, refusing to provide evidence for them, and refusing to disprove—with citations—anything I countered previously.
Thanks for refusing to answer any of the second set of questions that you were asked, refusing to explain any of your views with citations or sources, and refusing to disprove of my statements, old or new, with citations our sources.
Burn in hell, shill. We’re not falling for your narrative.