I suspect they may just be “young”, but certainly could be a bot/shill.
If you disagree with them about anything, you are “a shill” and should “drink bleach” :(
A lot of poor suckers fall for the “everyone who doesn’t agree with me is a rabbi/jidf/shill/etc.” routine. It is a sad tactic to ensure an echo chamber, and designed to prevent learning or discussion of any kind.
Neat, another coward. Go on, fuckstick. Prove wrong a single thing I’ve said. Explain to me why you don’t want shills removed from the community. No one said a goddamn thing you claimed. You’re just incapable of reading what’s actually written.
I don't hide behind vapid insult and tell everyone I disagree with to kill themselves. My thoughts can stand by their own merits, and I merely avoid trolls like you - not run away.
Prove wrong a single thing I’ve said
What would be the point? You'd just ignore it to feel better about yourself. Your behavior is both shameful and sad.
Why would you seriously consider what a "fuckwit" had to say anyway? Especially if it contradicted your infallible ego. Lol.
Of course you have said things that are wrong. To assume otherwise is incredibly proud, stupid, and foolish.
Explain to me why you <em>don’t</em> want shills removed from the community
This is a bit complicated. Of course I want shills gone, but there are 2 things I don't think you've fully considered
Many shills are unwitting / "useful idiots" / misguided. They need help, not censure or verbal abuse.
The disingenuous (often paid) shills are a real menace both in reality and "cyberspace". Learning how to deal with them here is akin to learning how to deal with them there as well. Trolls/shills feed on conflict, and wither without it. Shills can be good/valuable practice, although certainly tiresome.
No one said a goddamn thing you claimed
The OP did. Did you post in the wrong place accidentally?
You’re just incapable of reading what’s actually written
Always accuse the opponent of what you are doing eh? Classic shill move. I read and earnestly respond. I don't discard and vapidly insult reflexively like you often do.
Great. Why are you talking about things no one here does? Are you physically capable of disproving anything I say?
My thoughts can stand by their own merits
Not when they have no evidence, they can’t.
and I merely avoid trolls like you - not run away.
Translation: “I am so afraid of you that I refuse to reply to you because I’m terrified that you will prove me wrong, so if I don’t mention you in any way I can get away with lying about you and you won’t notice.”
What would be the point?
Thanks for admitting that nothing you have ever said has been correct.
You'd just ignore it
No one cares about me. I don’t matter. You’re so fucking narcissistic that you can’t comprehend that no one else is as vapid as you are.
It’s not about me, you autistic piece of shit. It’s about truth itself, for the sake of everyone else, and having a *cited and sourced record of objective reality. If you don’t care about that, get the fuck off this website. We’re not here to post lies or opinions or fantasies. We’re here to uncover genuine conspiracies with real proof.
to feel better about yourself. Your behavior is both shameful and sad.
Project somewhere sense; it’s not working on me.
Why would you seriously consider
No one cares about me. I don’t matter. You’re so fucking narcissistic that you can’t comprehend that no one else is as vapid as you are.
It’s not about me or what I consider. You’re so much of a brain dead communist that you think everyone engages in relativism like you do. Unlike you, I am capable of entertaining an idea that I do not personally like, never mind an idea which is objectively false.
Especially if it contradicted your infallible ego.
I have no ego. I’m worthless. I don’t matter. You’re so fucking narcissistic that you can’t comprehend that no one else is as vapid as you are.
You have absolutely nothing to back up any of your claims, which is why you continue to attack me personally instead of simply humiliating me (boy, wouldn’t I look silly since I have such a big ego) by actually posting cited and sourced proof of your claims. Whoops.
Of course you have said things that are wrong.
Name one, you subhuman coward.
To assume otherwise is incredibly proud, stupid, and foolish.
Neat. So you have no examples?
there are two things
Holy shit, I agree completely. You’re absolutely right on both counts, which is why I have trouble with your complaints regarding point two. Demanding proof/evidence is our website’s immune system. How we deal with genuine shills is by demanding proof/evidence of the claims they make. When they refuse to provide proof/evidence, that’s it. We’ve caught them. After that, there’s no discussion except that of our own, because the proof-refuser has nothing more of any value to add to us. We can’t just let it slide. We can entertain the ideas presented by the shill, perhaps simply because we’d be interested in seeing where those ideas take us (to learn what they’re going to attack us with next), but we cannot simply allow ourselves to accept claims or statements when the faggot who posted them has no evidence for them. Ever. Zero tolerance. Otherwise we no longer stand for truth and can no longer parse genuine conspiracies from hoaxes (malicious or benevolent).
The OP did
Okay, yes, my mistake in the sentence. I should have said, “No one actually said a thing you claimed.” The ambiguity was in “claim of statement” vs. “actual statement.” My fault.
Why are you talking about things no one here does?
What are you talking about?
Not when they have no evidence, they can’t.
Ideas can stand on their own without evidence. And ideas that are supported by evidence are often wrong/worthless. Evidence is easy.
So you have no examples?
You misunderstand. It is you who should have the examples, not me. It is purely your foolish vanity that prevents it. Deludedly believing you are always right is stupid and vain/proud.
Project somewhere
Cool it there freud. I thought you were against the “communists” and their nonsense...
I have no ego.
Then act like it.
I’m worthless. I don’t matter
I disagree.
I am capable of entertaining an idea that I do not personally like
Not without vapid insult and calls to suicide you can’t :(
Holy shit, I agree completely
Excellent. Though your major difficulty is in disagreeing civilly, i’ll consider this a step in the right direction.
Demanding proof/evidence is our website’s immune system
I understand why you think this, but it’s wrong. We can request such proof/evidence, and arbitrate that any refusal to provide such is a reason to discard/ignore/prevent consideration, but making petulant demands is for children.
All claims, including facts which are merely one type of claim, regardless of source are our responsibility to verify thoroughly before accepting. It is the burden of all students. We can ask for help in this, but we can’t demand nor expect it. Furthermore, it is a process and skillset that we refine by doing ourselves.
In a formal debate (a silly game; base pageantry) the burden of proof falls on the claimant. In real life, it falls on us.
How we deal with genuine shills is by demanding proof/evidence of the claims they make
Citation please. Do you see my point? Demanding evidence and citation is a common troll/shill technique - not one that is employed by earnest students.
We can’t just let it slide
Again, i understand the reasoning and logic behind such criteria. If that is your arbitrary line, so be it. The process of validation is subjective, and we all must make such determinations for ourselves. However, there are many reasons a person may reasonably not be forthcoming with evidence, for one - petulant demand. Another is that commonly it is a flimsy rhetorical technique trolls use to waste time. Bothering to actually explain further to a disingenuous party is an even bigger waste of time.
but we cannot simply allow ourselves to accept claims or statements when the faggot who posted them has no evidence for them
In general, i agree. Furthermore we cannot allow ourselves to accept claims/statements/facts merely because they have evidence that supports them. More rigorous validation is required, and - as i said - evidence is easy.
Otherwise we no longer stand for truth and can no longer parse genuine conspiracies from hoaxes (malicious or benevolent).
I avoid the word truth most of the time. Though the pursuit of truth is the ideal, i am generally more than happy to accept/obtain validated fact in lieu of it.
As for parsing genuine conspiracies from hoaxes - that is a much larger discussion.
“No one actually said a thing you claimed.”
I still have no idea what you are talking about. The OP made this post to say that you were a shill, and i responded to it. If i said something that the OP didn’t or others in the thread didn’t that is a good thing because i am adding to the conversation... right? Perhaps you could quote a specific statement that you take issue with, and we could discuss that specifically?
Trolls gonna troll :(
I suspect they may just be “young”, but certainly could be a bot/shill.
If you disagree with them about anything, you are “a shill” and should “drink bleach” :(
A lot of poor suckers fall for the “everyone who doesn’t agree with me is a rabbi/jidf/shill/etc.” routine. It is a sad tactic to ensure an echo chamber, and designed to prevent learning or discussion of any kind.
Hopefully it’s just a phase.
Neat, another coward. Go on, fuckstick. Prove wrong a single thing I’ve said. Explain to me why you don’t want shills removed from the community. No one said a goddamn thing you claimed. You’re just incapable of reading what’s actually written.
Lol, you mean like you? A fellow coward?
I don't hide behind vapid insult and tell everyone I disagree with to kill themselves. My thoughts can stand by their own merits, and I merely avoid trolls like you - not run away.
What would be the point? You'd just ignore it to feel better about yourself. Your behavior is both shameful and sad.
Why would you seriously consider what a "fuckwit" had to say anyway? Especially if it contradicted your infallible ego. Lol.
Of course you have said things that are wrong. To assume otherwise is incredibly proud, stupid, and foolish.
This is a bit complicated. Of course I want shills gone, but there are 2 things I don't think you've fully considered
The OP did. Did you post in the wrong place accidentally?
Always accuse the opponent of what you are doing eh? Classic shill move. I read and earnestly respond. I don't discard and vapidly insult reflexively like you often do.
Great argument.
Great. Why are you talking about things no one here does? Are you physically capable of disproving anything I say?
Not when they have no evidence, they can’t.
Translation: “I am so afraid of you that I refuse to reply to you because I’m terrified that you will prove me wrong, so if I don’t mention you in any way I can get away with lying about you and you won’t notice.”
Thanks for admitting that nothing you have ever said has been correct.
Project somewhere sense; it’s not working on me.
Name one, you subhuman coward.
Neat. So you have no examples?
Holy shit, I agree completely. You’re absolutely right on both counts, which is why I have trouble with your complaints regarding point two. Demanding proof/evidence is our website’s immune system. How we deal with genuine shills is by demanding proof/evidence of the claims they make. When they refuse to provide proof/evidence, that’s it. We’ve caught them. After that, there’s no discussion except that of our own, because the proof-refuser has nothing more of any value to add to us. We can’t just let it slide. We can entertain the ideas presented by the shill, perhaps simply because we’d be interested in seeing where those ideas take us (to learn what they’re going to attack us with next), but we cannot simply allow ourselves to accept claims or statements when the faggot who posted them has no evidence for them. Ever. Zero tolerance. Otherwise we no longer stand for truth and can no longer parse genuine conspiracies from hoaxes (malicious or benevolent).
Okay, yes, my mistake in the sentence. I should have said, “No one actually said a thing you claimed.” The ambiguity was in “claim of statement” vs. “actual statement.” My fault.
Lol.
What are you talking about?
Ideas can stand on their own without evidence. And ideas that are supported by evidence are often wrong/worthless. Evidence is easy.
You misunderstand. It is you who should have the examples, not me. It is purely your foolish vanity that prevents it. Deludedly believing you are always right is stupid and vain/proud.
Cool it there freud. I thought you were against the “communists” and their nonsense...
Then act like it.
I disagree.
Not without vapid insult and calls to suicide you can’t :(
Excellent. Though your major difficulty is in disagreeing civilly, i’ll consider this a step in the right direction.
I understand why you think this, but it’s wrong. We can request such proof/evidence, and arbitrate that any refusal to provide such is a reason to discard/ignore/prevent consideration, but making petulant demands is for children.
All claims, including facts which are merely one type of claim, regardless of source are our responsibility to verify thoroughly before accepting. It is the burden of all students. We can ask for help in this, but we can’t demand nor expect it. Furthermore, it is a process and skillset that we refine by doing ourselves.
In a formal debate (a silly game; base pageantry) the burden of proof falls on the claimant. In real life, it falls on us.
Citation please. Do you see my point? Demanding evidence and citation is a common troll/shill technique - not one that is employed by earnest students.
Again, i understand the reasoning and logic behind such criteria. If that is your arbitrary line, so be it. The process of validation is subjective, and we all must make such determinations for ourselves. However, there are many reasons a person may reasonably not be forthcoming with evidence, for one - petulant demand. Another is that commonly it is a flimsy rhetorical technique trolls use to waste time. Bothering to actually explain further to a disingenuous party is an even bigger waste of time.
In general, i agree. Furthermore we cannot allow ourselves to accept claims/statements/facts merely because they have evidence that supports them. More rigorous validation is required, and - as i said - evidence is easy.
I avoid the word truth most of the time. Though the pursuit of truth is the ideal, i am generally more than happy to accept/obtain validated fact in lieu of it.
As for parsing genuine conspiracies from hoaxes - that is a much larger discussion.
I still have no idea what you are talking about. The OP made this post to say that you were a shill, and i responded to it. If i said something that the OP didn’t or others in the thread didn’t that is a good thing because i am adding to the conversation... right? Perhaps you could quote a specific statement that you take issue with, and we could discuss that specifically?