How do you find that kind of articles? :) Sometimes I want to show friends what western press reaaly wrote about us, but obvious CNN/MSNBC/whatever is too boring and being propaganda outlets, obviously don't show the real state of knowledge about Russia and around. But that things from some not very politicised sites is like "russian labels" on "russian" props in Hollywood movies, made from random cyrillic letters. It's funny.
Really, in this article stated that China imported batch sometimes could have up to 40% of defective chips. Not that percentage of defective chips imported by Russia stands at 40% now.
My experience with batches of China chips is that normal Chineese chip manufacturers rarely have more than 5% (meet once, wrote a claim, got 2x good chips, most batches had 0-0.5%) of defective chips.
You will find 40% only if you will specifically search for a price few times lower than market.
So, some dumb manager in some company decided to "save" money and get bonus. Result is obvious.
Chineese get to quality long ago. That myth of "chineese quality" still lives only due to work of "effective managers" who order cheapest possible crap from murky resellers, instead of buying from normal suppliers.
Funny, that you could easily get same result buying chips from Mouser or other well-known western resellers. The story with counterfeit FT232 USB-to-serial converters was loud even in MSM few years ago. Especially funny thing was that this counterfeit FT232 worked flawlessly, until FTDI (FT232 manufacturer) intentionally released a driver update that detected counterfeit chip and irreversibly reprogram it making all device with that chip unuseable (wrote 0000:0000 as VID:PID IIRC, so it could not be even recognised by USB system anymore). So many perfectly working consumer and professional devices was suddenly burnt after update, including some serious medical devices and latter fact attracted MSM attention.
After it was first hit with import sanctions, Russia made bold claims that it would be investing in domestic chip development, manufacturing, and personnel training, with the intention of producing chips using a 28nm node by 2030.
At the moment, the scientists of the Russian Academy of Sciences have created the first demonstration sample of the equipment. On this setup, individual images were obtained on substrates with a resolution up to 7 nm.
And it is not typical UV technology used by ASML, it is a ressurection of old, but more advanced Russian tech of X-rays litography that was supressed in 1990s.
So, if IMF shills from Finance Ministry and CB will be jailed and money that rotting in reserves will be used to kickstart Russian electronics, then we will have fab ready 7nm machines in 2024.
May brought news that Russia's inability to source reliable semiconductors was forcing it to use components taken from dishwashers and refrigerators in its tanks, which are probably more reliable than the Chinese imports, anyway.
Again that dumb bullshit about using chips from home appliances.
This is just fucking impossible. Typical PCB from home appliances is a MCU chip and few discrete components controlled by MCU. Most expensive part of this PCB is MCU. And to reduce the cost of MCU manufacturers order mask programmed MCUs from fab. MCU program is etched on the stage of chip manufacturing and absolutely can't be changed later. So, if you take a chip from home appliance it will only run home appliance program that could not be changed. It is absolutely impossible to reprogram it and make it do another things. For obvious reason, there are absolutely no use for a chip that could run only home appliance program even for DIY weekend project, not even talking about something more serious. I don't know what imbecile picked out that crap about "components from dishwasher in russian tanks" from his ass more than half a year ago, but I'm amased that this crap is still alive, being complete bullshit obvious for any sane person who could think on his own.
"effective managers" who order cheapest possible crap from murky resellers, instead of buying from normal suppliers.
I've worked with companies that had huge problems with Chinese-sourced electronic components. They're often counterfeit and usually have difficult to diagnose problems, like not working at certain temperatures or having been previously subjected to electrostatic discharge.
To mitigate this, they set up a verification process that means they have to pay more for certain vendors even when they can externally verify the source.
Chineese will sell what you want at any price you want. As I understand, they have no any limits about quality and don't mind to sell you crap if you paid crap price. And will never warn you about quality, thinking that customer must know for hmself what he could get for price he pay. If you pay decent price, you will get decent goods, if you pay very low price you get very low quality goods. Looks like there is no bottom in that game.
So, it is relatively easy to do business with chineese. Just don't be greedy, don't try to save another few cents and you will be fine. That works even for aliexpress/banggood/taobao.
What unscrupulous importers do is hire consultants who know a great deal about what things cost over there. Then you set your price so they can make a profit as long as they cut corners on things that would be taken for granted in the country of import (worker safety, environmental regulations, sometimes product safety and whatnot).
Not that simple, I agree, but at least this could be used as a beginning.
As for cutting costs, in worker safety aspect, AFAIK, Chineese now is not that tiny poor people ready to do anything for the rice meal. Their factories are not a Liao basement anymore. They are masters of copying, so they already copied all that western safety trolling and implemented even strictier safety rules. Not everywhere yet, of course, but it is spreading fast.
Product safety is on customer. That's basic rule. If customer don't bother to pay for it, than he wouldn't get it, and they will not judge him or ask additional questions, customer know better what he want. Simple as that.
Environmental thing exists, but they are different that western ones. Nobody care about all that CO2 emissions crap (except if customer very concerned about it, and paid for it), but for spilling some really nasty shit owner and top managers (yes, owners are responsible too) could be heavy fined and even jailed if CCP need to make yet another example of environment care importance.
Of course I have a limited expirience about that things and can't say that all and every Chineese factory follow that tendencies, but I do business directly with Chineese for a relatively long time and that is the changes and tendencies I witnessed by myself and talked about by Chineese themselves. Since Chineese like uniformity and quickly copy what they account (or was told by authorities) as right thing to do, I think it is more or less same all over the China.
How do you find that kind of articles? :) Sometimes I want to show friends what western press reaaly wrote about us, but obvious CNN/MSNBC/whatever is too boring and being propaganda outlets, obviously don't show the real state of knowledge about Russia and around. But that things from some not very politicised sites is like "russian labels" on "russian" props in Hollywood movies, made from random cyrillic letters. It's funny.
The Kommersant article they told about
Really, in this article stated that China imported batch sometimes could have up to 40% of defective chips. Not that percentage of defective chips imported by Russia stands at 40% now.
My experience with batches of China chips is that normal Chineese chip manufacturers rarely have more than 5% (meet once, wrote a claim, got 2x good chips, most batches had 0-0.5%) of defective chips.
You will find 40% only if you will specifically search for a price few times lower than market.
So, some dumb manager in some company decided to "save" money and get bonus. Result is obvious.
Chineese get to quality long ago. That myth of "chineese quality" still lives only due to work of "effective managers" who order cheapest possible crap from murky resellers, instead of buying from normal suppliers.
Funny, that you could easily get same result buying chips from Mouser or other well-known western resellers. The story with counterfeit FT232 USB-to-serial converters was loud even in MSM few years ago. Especially funny thing was that this counterfeit FT232 worked flawlessly, until FTDI (FT232 manufacturer) intentionally released a driver update that detected counterfeit chip and irreversibly reprogram it making all device with that chip unuseable (wrote 0000:0000 as VID:PID IIRC, so it could not be even recognised by USB system anymore). So many perfectly working consumer and professional devices was suddenly burnt after update, including some serious medical devices and latter fact attracted MSM attention.
Really, we already have a working 7nm technology :
And it is not typical UV technology used by ASML, it is a ressurection of old, but more advanced Russian tech of X-rays litography that was supressed in 1990s.
So, if IMF shills from Finance Ministry and CB will be jailed and money that rotting in reserves will be used to kickstart Russian electronics, then we will have fab ready 7nm machines in 2024.
Again that dumb bullshit about using chips from home appliances.
This is just fucking impossible. Typical PCB from home appliances is a MCU chip and few discrete components controlled by MCU. Most expensive part of this PCB is MCU. And to reduce the cost of MCU manufacturers order mask programmed MCUs from fab. MCU program is etched on the stage of chip manufacturing and absolutely can't be changed later. So, if you take a chip from home appliance it will only run home appliance program that could not be changed. It is absolutely impossible to reprogram it and make it do another things. For obvious reason, there are absolutely no use for a chip that could run only home appliance program even for DIY weekend project, not even talking about something more serious. I don't know what imbecile picked out that crap about "components from dishwasher in russian tanks" from his ass more than half a year ago, but I'm amased that this crap is still alive, being complete bullshit obvious for any sane person who could think on his own.
I've worked with companies that had huge problems with Chinese-sourced electronic components. They're often counterfeit and usually have difficult to diagnose problems, like not working at certain temperatures or having been previously subjected to electrostatic discharge.
To mitigate this, they set up a verification process that means they have to pay more for certain vendors even when they can externally verify the source.
Chineese will sell what you want at any price you want. As I understand, they have no any limits about quality and don't mind to sell you crap if you paid crap price. And will never warn you about quality, thinking that customer must know for hmself what he could get for price he pay. If you pay decent price, you will get decent goods, if you pay very low price you get very low quality goods. Looks like there is no bottom in that game.
So, it is relatively easy to do business with chineese. Just don't be greedy, don't try to save another few cents and you will be fine. That works even for aliexpress/banggood/taobao.
Fair advice, but not quite so simple.
What unscrupulous importers do is hire consultants who know a great deal about what things cost over there. Then you set your price so they can make a profit as long as they cut corners on things that would be taken for granted in the country of import (worker safety, environmental regulations, sometimes product safety and whatnot).
Not that simple, I agree, but at least this could be used as a beginning.
As for cutting costs, in worker safety aspect, AFAIK, Chineese now is not that tiny poor people ready to do anything for the rice meal. Their factories are not a Liao basement anymore. They are masters of copying, so they already copied all that western safety trolling and implemented even strictier safety rules. Not everywhere yet, of course, but it is spreading fast.
Product safety is on customer. That's basic rule. If customer don't bother to pay for it, than he wouldn't get it, and they will not judge him or ask additional questions, customer know better what he want. Simple as that.
Environmental thing exists, but they are different that western ones. Nobody care about all that CO2 emissions crap (except if customer very concerned about it, and paid for it), but for spilling some really nasty shit owner and top managers (yes, owners are responsible too) could be heavy fined and even jailed if CCP need to make yet another example of environment care importance.
Of course I have a limited expirience about that things and can't say that all and every Chineese factory follow that tendencies, but I do business directly with Chineese for a relatively long time and that is the changes and tendencies I witnessed by myself and talked about by Chineese themselves. Since Chineese like uniformity and quickly copy what they account (or was told by authorities) as right thing to do, I think it is more or less same all over the China.