I watched the Eric Dubay video. It was unconvincing and the speakers seemed to hold agendas due to their references to Jesus and His followers as "bullshit" and other derogatory comments.
Just thought you should notice who your allies are in this argument. The same people who tell you the covid shots are safe and effective and that Trump stole the election by secretly colluding with Russians and that there are dozens of make believe genders.
Tacitus’s last major work, titled Annals, written c. 116–117 C.E., includes a biography of Nero. In 64 C.E., during a fire in Rome, Nero was suspected of secretly ordering the burning of a part of town where he wanted to carry out a building project, so he tried to shift the blame to Christians. This was the occasion for Tacitus to mention Christians, whom he despised.
In his two great works, The Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities, both written in Greek for educated people, Josephus tried to appeal to aristocrats in the Roman world, presenting Judaism as a religion to be admired for its moral and philosophical depth. The shorter of these two references to Jesus (in Book 20)11 is incidental to identifying Jesus’ brother James,12 the leader of the church in Jerusalem. In the temporary absence of a Roman governor between Festus’s death and governor Albinus’s arrival in 62 C.E., the high priest Ananus instigated James’s execution. Josephus described it:
Being therefore this kind of person [i.e., a heartless Sadducee], Ananus, thinking that he had a favorable opportunity because Festus had died and Albinus was still on his way, called a meeting [literally, “sanhedrin”] of judges and brought into it the brother of Jesus-who-is-called-Messiah … James by name, and some others. He made the accusation that they had transgressed the law, and he handed them over to be stoned.13
The topic was my book Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth. As readers of this blog probably know, there is a large contingent of people claiming that Jesus never did exist. These people are also known as mythicists. As I say int he interview, "It was a surprise to me to see how influential these mythicists are. Historically, they've been significant and in the Soviet Union, in fact, the mythicist view was the dominant view, and even today, in some parts of the West – in parts of Scandinavia — it is a dominant view that Jesus never existed. In my book, I marshal all of the evidence showing that contrary to this mythicist view, Jesus certainly did exist.
Eric Dubay posts lots of conspiratorial stuff. His videos are sometimes convincing because there is no one in his videos arguing the opposing argument. I don't think Eric Dubay would hold up well in debate against theologians who have accumulated many historical evidences and material on Jesus Christ.
So the only actual claim made is that Paul was supposedly an eyewitness to the eyewitnesses. The other claims are that there are supposedly 15 independent sources for it and an appeal to authority about an accredited specialist.
The documentary I posted covers the topic of Paul heavily, I doubt you actually watched it if this is part of your rebuttal. Try watching it again.
Tacitus’s last major work, titled Annals, written c. 116–117 C.E., includes a biography of Nero. In 64 C.E., during a fire in Rome, Nero was suspected of secretly ordering the burning of a part of town where he wanted to carry out a building project, so he tried to shift the blame to Christians. This was the occasion for Tacitus to mention Christians, whom he despised.
Whom he despised? Thats not what Tacitus wrote, thats a compeltet mischaracterization. Thats some mighty fine language manipulation there. Nero blamed the Christians because, as Tacitus said, everyone already hated them anyways. Sounds like jews to me! Tacitus himself call christians a "class hated for their abominations" and "the evil." Tacitus also says they pleaded guilty to "hatred of mankind". Also notice how the quote doesn't say "Jesus Christ" only "Christus", a title meaning "the anointed one" which could have easily been given to Ra or Mithras or literally anyone else.
Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.
Josephus
The documentary I posted also covers the topic of the Josephus too. I doubt you actually watched it if this is part of your rebuttal as well. You're bringing up points that they literally countered already, and was basically the first part of the documentary, after the intro of course.
The claims made are not that the setting of the story didnt exsist (the kings and pharos this source cites). The claim is that the line of adam didnt exist. If your argument is a misrepresentation of whats being said then I doubt you actually watched the documentary. At best you might have skipped around some.
I invite anyone actually reading this to watch the documentary themselves to get both sides of the argument. u/Vlad_The_Impaler has done a good job of posting sources representing his side, check out the documentary to get a good overview of the other and make up your own mind on the matter.
I watched the Eric Dubay video. It was unconvincing and the speakers seemed to hold agendas due to their references to Jesus and His followers as "bullshit" and other derogatory comments.
By pushing the "Jesus did not exist" narrative, you are pushing the same false narrative as mainstream corporate lying media such as Washington Post. https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/12/18/did-historical-jesus-exist-the-traditional-evidence-doesnt-hold-up/
Just thought you should notice who your allies are in this argument. The same people who tell you the covid shots are safe and effective and that Trump stole the election by secretly colluding with Russians and that there are dozens of make believe genders.
Undeniable Historical Evidence for the Existence of Jesus (Dr. Gary Habermas) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWgqsqJGg
Did Jesus Exist? Searching for Evidence Beyond the Bible https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/did-jesus-exist/
53 People in the Bible Confirmed Archaeologically https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/people-in-the-bible/50-people-in-the-bible-confirmed-archaeologically/
Archaeology Confirms 50 Real People in the Bible https://www.baslibrary.org/biblical-archaeology-review/40/2/4
Bart Ehrman https://ehrmanblog.org/tag/did-jesus-exist/
Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth Paperback – March 19, 2013 https://www.amazon.com/Did-Jesus-Exist-Historical-Argument/dp/0062206443
Eric Dubay posts lots of conspiratorial stuff. His videos are sometimes convincing because there is no one in his videos arguing the opposing argument. I don't think Eric Dubay would hold up well in debate against theologians who have accumulated many historical evidences and material on Jesus Christ.
So the only actual claim made is that Paul was supposedly an eyewitness to the eyewitnesses. The other claims are that there are supposedly 15 independent sources for it and an appeal to authority about an accredited specialist.
The documentary I posted covers the topic of Paul heavily, I doubt you actually watched it if this is part of your rebuttal. Try watching it again.
Whom he despised? Thats not what Tacitus wrote, thats a compeltet mischaracterization. Thats some mighty fine language manipulation there. Nero blamed the Christians because, as Tacitus said, everyone already hated them anyways. Sounds like jews to me! Tacitus himself call christians a "class hated for their abominations" and "the evil." Tacitus also says they pleaded guilty to "hatred of mankind". Also notice how the quote doesn't say "Jesus Christ" only "Christus", a title meaning "the anointed one" which could have easily been given to Ra or Mithras or literally anyone else.
The documentary I posted also covers the topic of the Josephus too. I doubt you actually watched it if this is part of your rebuttal as well. You're bringing up points that they literally countered already, and was basically the first part of the documentary, after the intro of course.
https://youtu.be/ZftML6pAv7E?t=476
The claims made are not that the setting of the story didnt exsist (the kings and pharos this source cites). The claim is that the line of adam didnt exist. If your argument is a misrepresentation of whats being said then I doubt you actually watched the documentary. At best you might have skipped around some.
I invite anyone actually reading this to watch the documentary themselves to get both sides of the argument. u/Vlad_The_Impaler has done a good job of posting sources representing his side, check out the documentary to get a good overview of the other and make up your own mind on the matter.