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I mean, good meme, but aren't they "ethnic Russians" in Ukraine not "Russian Russians" until Russia wins and makes them Russian citizens?
Normally, but Ukraine exists because the US collapsed the soviet union.
Everyone in Ukraine is "Russian", as in, they were part of Russia until the 90's. Most everyone older than 30 was born in Russia.
But also no one in Ukraine is "Russian", because the US says so and no one can out-violence them.
So it just depends on whether you think that when Nation A defeats Nation B, does Nation A get to set the rules for Nation B moving forward?
I think it is all perspective. If you accept the rhetoric from the ukranian leadership regarding the status of the citizens, I think it is easy to suggest that there are Russian ukranians. If you view the actions of the ukranian regimes militant activity, it should be accepted they are dealing with Russians not ukranians.
So, given that they have the history I think it makes sense to say we see such a divided people. I think that given the nature of the split, being so ideologically divided for so long (since the 1940's at least, but much before that) It is hard for some to rationalize borders and such when you live in the region and have such vast history.
The job of the country is to remain united to protect the civilians that live in it and provide prosperity. When that is no longer the case then nothing else matters. This is the prelude to war.
From a legal perspective, they aren't Russians. From a moral one, they are Russians, provided you don't go back to blame Russia for their massive resettlements going on in the 1930s to lesson the moral culpability of Ukraine in discriminating against them. So, I stand on the sidelines.
I am not convinced this is correct, in the example of any bilingual country, you have the right to identify as of origin from a given country, in this example with Russian speaking people if they choose to identify as Russian people in Ukraine then that is their prerogative, can they legally claim to be Russians? I think that is a function of the declarations made on their passport. Regarding the spoken language and historical beliefs we can easily see the divisions form.
When the historical timeframe is pulled in, it is nearly impossible to find solid anything as all the claims go in all directions. Would we start in the 1500's? sooner? later? why?
I realize that the geo-politics are different, but borders do have meanings, both legal and moral.
By comparison: All the god damned illegal aliens from Mexico and South America who speak Spanish, are not US citizens, even though America has no official language, and they have no right to be here. This is true, even if many of their ancestors lived in what used to be part of the United States before it was taken from them a century and a half ago.
Well, by that accord we should have no issue with any forces gathering land about anywhere no?
Might is right?
You are complaining that the weakened USA is being overrun by illegals I say it is being invaded by a plan, same plan Russia is dealing with.
The difference is that, it would be like USA stopping all the refugee from storming thru Mexico.
Basically in all of America we see the same activity, it is destruction.