And FE is such a pointless conspiracy - it doesn't effect anyone like say 9/11 did . It only has one use - to make its proponents look absolute fuckwits
You're right man there's no more important s*** to talk about than Flat Earth so let's talk about it every other post let's keep the flat earth going cuz it's so f****** important
Clearly you dont. Its not that most people have anything against flat earth, moreso its just a dumb thing to concern yourself with. Who cares? Anything else bumping around up there, because we get it man. You're a flat earther. I think i can speak for everyone when i say "can we.move on please?"
I DON'T CARE WHAT THE SHAPE OF THE EARTH IS, BUD. AS IM TYPING THIS, I'M HEADED TO COURT BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER AND I ARE GETTING KICKED OUT OF OUR HOUSE OF TWELVE YEARS ON THIRTY DAYS NOTICE. FUCK EARTH.
Shape of the earth is like #666,032 on my list of priorities. Sorry. Nobody is killing anyone over flat fucking earth MEANING it ain't that serious.
Good of you to at least give it the old college physics professor try.
Allow me to simplify:
North star alignment
Lack of Curvature
Orbit Velocity
Looking past the attempted character attack in the initial portion of your musings, we are still having a clear misunderstanding of what the requirements are.
I have reduced your large amount of opinionated concepts to a few short words that are more than enough to proclaim the position of believe you stand on.
I will briefly allow you to expand on this list if you wish prior to embarking on an explanation.
I can give you a prelude and it is that is simply for each of these mere points you are speaking from subjective standpoints that are not capable of providing strong evidence to the claim at hand. In other words, a person can approach each of these with the frame of mind we have and come out with questions because we are not currently capable of providing concise answers to the problems without leaning on conjecture or modified data.
You know as well as I do that these points are specified in this way for this purpose. So that there can be oblique claims of feigned ignorance around the meaty bits that result in foggy interpretations being the only available outcome.
I have never proclaimed to have definitive proof we live on a globe, I am still looking for valid evidence in either regard, fyi.
lol, smoke another one meathead. it's all about you huh? like I give a flying fuck.
do you see any of my posts in that place? comments? anything? jesus fucking christ you do as bout of good of research on your fail claims as you do your fail beliefs.
At least this guy here provides a list I absolutely read everything he wrote and he knows it, he is just bitter cause I have not latched it and he wasted a ton of time writing it when only a few words were needed.
Well, I am not about to flip over to the flat earth acceptance based on what I have so far, that much is clear.
I am still looking for what it is that has convinced you, we have the three points and for me they are not concrete, they are subjective.
Each of the three points can be explained as a lack of understanding / information from either side. In order to calculate curvature we would need to know the exact dimensions of the planet, this is not a known, it is estimated.
To ascertain the behavior of a given star group, we are required to have all the surrounding understandings at 100% to draw any conclusions. Again we only have some assumptions we have made to date.
I have been studying plasma cosmology and so far it leaves very few questions for me. So, it by far outshines all the other ideas.
For me, flat earth is a really old idea and there is nothing I have found that suggests it is the state of things.
I would be more inclined to accept toroidial earth given the current state of information :)
Orbit velocity claims just do not seem to hold any water, if we want to make such suggestions we need to get out into space and start examining how this stuff works.
This is all just useless conjecture for a few reasons.
One reason, is you are arguing using physics models that have formed the basis of our understanding yet you reject the overall understanding.
Our current understanding of magnetism and electricity in the universe is albeit in it's stages of infancy, but when you want to instead suggest that theories from thousands of years ago are more relevant I beg to differ.
Your observations are subjective simply because they are from your viewpoint using your understanding, you seem to think you have it all figured out and all your reasoning has proven to you that the claims are real. When in reality you have misunderstood what you see and also what you should expect to see. I am not the first person to point this out either, so simply review what all the other people who do not accept the claim of how the orbit works with respect to our visible star groups.
Regarding velocity. When you want to insert the laws declared long ago with such a minimal understanding of related inputs, surely you can expect nothing but random back. Garbage in, Garbage out.
Rest assured that if any of the flat earth ideas you have put forth so far were able to be proven as such, then the proof would be clear, more evidence to the fact it is subjective analysis.
You literally threatened my account creds. And now I am banned for content I never posted on a different website.
It is not even worth loading your links now loser, do you get it? you are finished here. You might as well delete that account.
Seriously scrub, your shitty posts and words have no value here, you are just wasting your time, I was the last one to give you a chance and now it is also gone.
bwa hahahahah, you are so funny.
Yes, I did but what I was meaning was the account? on this forum? not block you on some other irrelevant forum I never visit, haha. you really making me lol here.
I can elaborate, each post you make here is such a piece of shit useless garbage until you post something someone else has already posted. I been watching you for a while now. You are completely fucking useless.
I am happy to have you sit here and learn and watch and grow for sure do it.
I was mostly suggesting don't bother posting shit cause noone gives a fuck about your dumb shit kid. carry on.
(1) earths orbital path would mean that no single star would be able to maintain the same position above a point on our insignificant rock
Unsupported claim that sounds incorrect.
(3) we would feel changes in velocity,
Actually false.
(2) by the time you get to 10 miles, that will be an 800 inch drop. that is a 6 story building of height.
This is your one potentially valid claim. I have a 20 mile expanse over water to check one of these days. On the off chance I see the beach over there, I promise to come back and berate you for making arguments so lame that it's like you're trying to drive people away from flat earth.
20 miles - 0.05052 miles = 266.75 feet
Hotels and such on the beach should not be visible...
The thing is, that's exactly what I'd expect to see from a spinning planet. Our gyroscopes are usually small enough to physically overpower, but they 'want' to maintain their spin and orientation as the earth actually does. (according to ballers)
Extent the line through both poles and it should maintain that orientation for a pretty long time. Unlike a gyroscope you could move about in a room and have point to different parts of your ceiling, the distances involved are significant enough to negate the orbit around the sun.
Rotating perfectly and rotating in a spiral perfectly, so that the north star stays above a random point on our random planet? That's stupid.
Correct. What's not stupid is the extended line through the poles keeping the same orientation.
No I have not really explained the response yet at all, thus the brief opportunity to provide more points to the short list I had created based on your writings.
First of all, Let's be clear on what a belief is.
A belief is a a state of mind one obtains when they feel they have acceptance on a given topic when framed in a given perspective, so they align towards agreement within that framing.
This does not require to have a basis of fact or evidence, just statements with claims is all that is required.
If you were to say to me, wef is crazy and the oligarchs running all the west are insane.
I would immediately align with you in full agreement, no evidence to speak of, no other inputs required. we are aligned, perhaps related to my current bias.
So when does it go from being a belief, to being a construct of reality?
Generally this occurs based on experience, so for example. If I was say a metallurgist questing for a alloy type, there have been many simple experiments one can conduct to deduce what the content of a given piece of matter is. This forms the basis of ones understanding of what content they have and from there can extract the necessary amounts and produce the desired alloy.
This is no longer a belief at all, this is a systematic process of deduction working with known inputs and outcomes.
So, when you want to compare this to capturing the curvature of the earth in a given location, you must realize the total amount of inputs to deduce the correct answer is not attainable, and we end up using statistics and guesswork to fill in the blank areas. The end result is we have made many assumptions along the way and the resulting end point is a blur given which inputs were measured.
The same is said regarding the positioning of the north star with respect to our understanding of what we are seeing. So many assumed inputs are created and used to define the observation that it is now completely subjective. You have about 10,000 other inputs to resolve prior to using the one you are standing on as an example. This is not science, this is guesswork, where you reduce what you have to what you can understand and accept it.
To top it all off, we end up with claims that the reason we do not feel velocity as we orbit is made based on all the misunderstandings of how physics interact.
I think this one by itself is a clear indication that we have ended up on a tangent of nonsense, in order to accept this, we basically have to reject everything else.
For example, we claim to measure solar wind coming into the atmosphere, we claim to calculate the magnetic fields the interplanetary relationship of magnetics between earth and sun, we have devised ways to predict weather and earthquakes using solar inputs.
All of this has to be thrown in the trash to accept these beliefs that do not have any answers at all. none.
So, when we look at the carbon on the planet and we measure the difference we claim to find solar carbon and cosmic carbon, what does flat earth have to say?
reject it all?
I would have to check my brain at the door in order to enter a flat earth society meetup because none of the data we have collected measured and analyzed can be accepted. This is preposterous.
At the end of the day, flat earth belief acceptance is just an escape from what we know, plasma cosmology and electric universe theory have much better explanations if you are trying to get away from the big bang.
You can make an observation and misinterpret what you observed, which is what you're consistently doing. Any time someone points out your errors you don't acknowledge it, you just pivot to something else. Flat earth is a belief system of the worst kind, it's a perversion of the truth that sounds reasonable to the uneducated.
I have pointed out numerous errors on your posts time and time again...you fail to do the math to show anything....you make stupid nonsequitors to avoid meaty deep dives....so what's the point...you ignored then.....that's bad faith on your part.
I will apologize for sounding dismissive, I do not mean to come across as such; more that, I have not yet accepted any of the beliefs put forth yet.
I state they are beliefs because when you are a proponent of a construct in a way that voices acceptance and cannot produce meaningful evidence to the statement it is simply a belief.
If I was to say "there is a god" clearly I could not prove such a thing, so it is just a claim revealing a belief.
If I was to say "this rock is hard" we can easily examine the rock and compare its hardness properties to a variety of other objects and objectively concur and agree on some parameters. What this does is produce 'rock' hard evidence to the claim removing belief and replacing it with accepted explanation.
For me, this would be the goal of any activity regarding a claim that there is any value in stating the earth is flat.
Firstly, it is a crazy topic because it makes no physical sense, it is founded long ago, back when humans were easily manipulated into any form of belief.
Secondly, the claim that we understand enough to prove one way or the other without significant effort and tooling is simple minded. If we could easily prove it, we would have the evidence.
only glowies post flat earth bullshit
have you heard of GPS
GPS is 99% ground based, off cell towers.
And FE is such a pointless conspiracy - it doesn't effect anyone like say 9/11 did . It only has one use - to make its proponents look absolute fuckwits
https://communities.win/c/HollowEarth
Your math is wrong and you nothing about orbits
You're right man there's no more important s*** to talk about than Flat Earth so let's talk about it every other post let's keep the flat earth going cuz it's so f****** important
Clearly you dont. Its not that most people have anything against flat earth, moreso its just a dumb thing to concern yourself with. Who cares? Anything else bumping around up there, because we get it man. You're a flat earther. I think i can speak for everyone when i say "can we.move on please?"
Really man? How does the shape of the earth affect my daily life?
Read carefully now.
I DON'T CARE WHAT THE SHAPE OF THE EARTH IS, BUD. AS IM TYPING THIS, I'M HEADED TO COURT BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER AND I ARE GETTING KICKED OUT OF OUR HOUSE OF TWELVE YEARS ON THIRTY DAYS NOTICE. FUCK EARTH.
Shape of the earth is like #666,032 on my list of priorities. Sorry. Nobody is killing anyone over flat fucking earth MEANING it ain't that serious.
Hey....sorry but how about you stop posting shit to get views.....you obviously have one goal and it is not a fed'.....lol
It's views. You are trying to either get followers, get ad revenue, get subs, get influence, or something along those e lines....
You always post the same videos....never make a single conherent post without falling back on some views....
Let's be real....you are just a marketer for your channels...
Good of you to at least give it the old college physics professor try.
Allow me to simplify:
Looking past the attempted character attack in the initial portion of your musings, we are still having a clear misunderstanding of what the requirements are.
I have reduced your large amount of opinionated concepts to a few short words that are more than enough to proclaim the position of believe you stand on.
I will briefly allow you to expand on this list if you wish prior to embarking on an explanation.
I can give you a prelude and it is that is simply for each of these mere points you are speaking from subjective standpoints that are not capable of providing strong evidence to the claim at hand. In other words, a person can approach each of these with the frame of mind we have and come out with questions because we are not currently capable of providing concise answers to the problems without leaning on conjecture or modified data.
You know as well as I do that these points are specified in this way for this purpose. So that there can be oblique claims of feigned ignorance around the meaty bits that result in foggy interpretations being the only available outcome.
I have never proclaimed to have definitive proof we live on a globe, I am still looking for valid evidence in either regard, fyi.
He doesn't. And I think he's the asshole responsible for getting me banned from The great Awakening.
https://conspiracies.win/p/15JnBMiRUW/i-have-been-banned-from-greatawa/c/
lol, smoke another one meathead. it's all about you huh? like I give a flying fuck. do you see any of my posts in that place? comments? anything? jesus fucking christ you do as bout of good of research on your fail claims as you do your fail beliefs.
At least this guy here provides a list I absolutely read everything he wrote and he knows it, he is just bitter cause I have not latched it and he wasted a ton of time writing it when only a few words were needed.
Well, I am not about to flip over to the flat earth acceptance based on what I have so far, that much is clear.
I am still looking for what it is that has convinced you, we have the three points and for me they are not concrete, they are subjective.
Each of the three points can be explained as a lack of understanding / information from either side. In order to calculate curvature we would need to know the exact dimensions of the planet, this is not a known, it is estimated.
To ascertain the behavior of a given star group, we are required to have all the surrounding understandings at 100% to draw any conclusions. Again we only have some assumptions we have made to date.
I have been studying plasma cosmology and so far it leaves very few questions for me. So, it by far outshines all the other ideas.
For me, flat earth is a really old idea and there is nothing I have found that suggests it is the state of things.
I would be more inclined to accept toroidial earth given the current state of information :)
Orbit velocity claims just do not seem to hold any water, if we want to make such suggestions we need to get out into space and start examining how this stuff works.
This is all just useless conjecture for a few reasons.
One reason, is you are arguing using physics models that have formed the basis of our understanding yet you reject the overall understanding.
Our current understanding of magnetism and electricity in the universe is albeit in it's stages of infancy, but when you want to instead suggest that theories from thousands of years ago are more relevant I beg to differ.
Your observations are subjective simply because they are from your viewpoint using your understanding, you seem to think you have it all figured out and all your reasoning has proven to you that the claims are real. When in reality you have misunderstood what you see and also what you should expect to see. I am not the first person to point this out either, so simply review what all the other people who do not accept the claim of how the orbit works with respect to our visible star groups.
Regarding velocity. When you want to insert the laws declared long ago with such a minimal understanding of related inputs, surely you can expect nothing but random back. Garbage in, Garbage out.
Rest assured that if any of the flat earth ideas you have put forth so far were able to be proven as such, then the proof would be clear, more evidence to the fact it is subjective analysis.
You literally threatened my account creds. And now I am banned for content I never posted on a different website.
https://conspiracies.win/p/15Jn6g0jBx/x/c/4OdiUsT3WPl
bwa hahahahah, you are so funny. Yes, I did but what I was meaning was the account? on this forum? not block you on some other irrelevant forum I never visit, haha. you really making me lol here.
I can elaborate, each post you make here is such a piece of shit useless garbage until you post something someone else has already posted. I been watching you for a while now. You are completely fucking useless.
I am happy to have you sit here and learn and watch and grow for sure do it. I was mostly suggesting don't bother posting shit cause noone gives a fuck about your dumb shit kid. carry on.
Oh, so yes you did, but no you didn't? Well I am so glad you cleared that up.
precisely why you are the piece of shit you are scum.
Unsupported claim that sounds incorrect.
Actually false.
This is your one potentially valid claim. I have a 20 mile expanse over water to check one of these days. On the off chance I see the beach over there, I promise to come back and berate you for making arguments so lame that it's like you're trying to drive people away from flat earth.
20 miles - 0.05052 miles = 266.75 feet
Hotels and such on the beach should not be visible...
The thing is, that's exactly what I'd expect to see from a spinning planet. Our gyroscopes are usually small enough to physically overpower, but they 'want' to maintain their spin and orientation as the earth actually does. (according to ballers)
Extent the line through both poles and it should maintain that orientation for a pretty long time. Unlike a gyroscope you could move about in a room and have point to different parts of your ceiling, the distances involved are significant enough to negate the orbit around the sun.
Correct. What's not stupid is the extended line through the poles keeping the same orientation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihwoIlxHI3Q&list=PLHSoxioQtwZf1-8QeggXIVdZ-abyJXaO1 - The Earth Disaster Documentary
I watched all 80 minutes of that last video you linked. Here's something for you to roll your eyes at. Or to pick apart if you wish.
No I have not really explained the response yet at all, thus the brief opportunity to provide more points to the short list I had created based on your writings.
First of all, Let's be clear on what a belief is. A belief is a a state of mind one obtains when they feel they have acceptance on a given topic when framed in a given perspective, so they align towards agreement within that framing.
This does not require to have a basis of fact or evidence, just statements with claims is all that is required.
If you were to say to me, wef is crazy and the oligarchs running all the west are insane.
I would immediately align with you in full agreement, no evidence to speak of, no other inputs required. we are aligned, perhaps related to my current bias.
So when does it go from being a belief, to being a construct of reality?
Generally this occurs based on experience, so for example. If I was say a metallurgist questing for a alloy type, there have been many simple experiments one can conduct to deduce what the content of a given piece of matter is. This forms the basis of ones understanding of what content they have and from there can extract the necessary amounts and produce the desired alloy.
This is no longer a belief at all, this is a systematic process of deduction working with known inputs and outcomes.
So, when you want to compare this to capturing the curvature of the earth in a given location, you must realize the total amount of inputs to deduce the correct answer is not attainable, and we end up using statistics and guesswork to fill in the blank areas. The end result is we have made many assumptions along the way and the resulting end point is a blur given which inputs were measured.
The same is said regarding the positioning of the north star with respect to our understanding of what we are seeing. So many assumed inputs are created and used to define the observation that it is now completely subjective. You have about 10,000 other inputs to resolve prior to using the one you are standing on as an example. This is not science, this is guesswork, where you reduce what you have to what you can understand and accept it.
To top it all off, we end up with claims that the reason we do not feel velocity as we orbit is made based on all the misunderstandings of how physics interact.
I think this one by itself is a clear indication that we have ended up on a tangent of nonsense, in order to accept this, we basically have to reject everything else.
For example, we claim to measure solar wind coming into the atmosphere, we claim to calculate the magnetic fields the interplanetary relationship of magnetics between earth and sun, we have devised ways to predict weather and earthquakes using solar inputs.
All of this has to be thrown in the trash to accept these beliefs that do not have any answers at all. none.
So, when we look at the carbon on the planet and we measure the difference we claim to find solar carbon and cosmic carbon, what does flat earth have to say? reject it all?
I would have to check my brain at the door in order to enter a flat earth society meetup because none of the data we have collected measured and analyzed can be accepted. This is preposterous.
At the end of the day, flat earth belief acceptance is just an escape from what we know, plasma cosmology and electric universe theory have much better explanations if you are trying to get away from the big bang.
You can make an observation and misinterpret what you observed, which is what you're consistently doing. Any time someone points out your errors you don't acknowledge it, you just pivot to something else. Flat earth is a belief system of the worst kind, it's a perversion of the truth that sounds reasonable to the uneducated.
I have pointed out numerous errors on your posts time and time again...you fail to do the math to show anything....you make stupid nonsequitors to avoid meaty deep dives....so what's the point...you ignored then.....that's bad faith on your part.
Let's take your "change in velocity" example. This is explained by Newton's first law of motion. Do you accept it as generally correct?
I will apologize for sounding dismissive, I do not mean to come across as such; more that, I have not yet accepted any of the beliefs put forth yet.
I state they are beliefs because when you are a proponent of a construct in a way that voices acceptance and cannot produce meaningful evidence to the statement it is simply a belief.
If I was to say "there is a god" clearly I could not prove such a thing, so it is just a claim revealing a belief.
If I was to say "this rock is hard" we can easily examine the rock and compare its hardness properties to a variety of other objects and objectively concur and agree on some parameters. What this does is produce 'rock' hard evidence to the claim removing belief and replacing it with accepted explanation.
For me, this would be the goal of any activity regarding a claim that there is any value in stating the earth is flat.
Firstly, it is a crazy topic because it makes no physical sense, it is founded long ago, back when humans were easily manipulated into any form of belief.
Secondly, the claim that we understand enough to prove one way or the other without significant effort and tooling is simple minded. If we could easily prove it, we would have the evidence.
Got some shit to do, I will return to this.
Please focus your time and energy on actual conspiracies that involve logic and critical thinking thank you