The propagation and amplification of waves in a medium was well known with water and sound a hundred or two years before the laser was theorized
Resonators was known long before too. But nobody before tried to combine that two things and get something completely new. That is the point.
The technology and tools to use this same theory on light simply had not been developed yet.
Nitrogen laser using air (search it, it is simple as fuck device) could have been be made right at the moment when scientists start to experiment with electricity. There is nothing special in technologies of making lasers. Ruby laser could have been made even without electricity at all, just ruby crystal with parallel sides excited with any bright flash.
Been meaning to get back to you on this...
We seem to disagree about certain things but it is nice to have an actual intelligent discussion here.
As for the Laser, I still conjecture that it was not "out of the blue" but was an evenly ruin of known principles that was made at precisely the time that the knowledge and technology required became available... we have know about manipulation of waves such as water and sound for a long time, and we (humans) made instruments to manipulate, amplify, and focus these waves for centuries even before we understood exactly why this worked (musical instruments, building acoustics, water management structures, etc).
The Laser required first, the knowledge that light also is a waveform (as well as other levels of radiation such as microwaves which were used before light in the Maser). Although others also postulated this, Einstein ends up getting the credit for bringing it mainstream in science and was also theorizing the basic concept of lasers in the early 20th century (1917 according to Wikipedia).
But to make one, the advances in electronics were also required that would not happen until around the post war period. And the first examples of lasers were made in the 1950's-early 1960's at the precise time when it became feasible to make them.
Not saying it was not incredibly useful or revolutionized many industries, but there was a clear build up to the technology and nothing anomalous about the progression.
About the nitrogen laser: once a technology has been developed, it is easy to look back and see how it could have been made before... whether or not you think the ancient Egyptians or Greeks or Persians actually used the primitive batteries some have theorized, we can say for a fact that any culture who had achieved the ability to smelt iron and copper COULD have made batteries and used electricity. Again, hindsight is 20/20. There is also the theory that the lost "Greek Fire" was an unrefined version of thermite. The Greeks were known to trade in salts containing aluminum and iron oxide was trivial to obtain.
I want to ask again, because I get what you are saying about new "breakthroughs" but why do you choose the 1970's when all the breakthroughs you cite occurred before the 1970's?
Are you mixing up scientific advances with economic and social policy change? Because there is a huge shift for known reasons in 1971, but that does not correlate to scientific discovery. For this it would be more accurate to say "Since the 1950's"
We seem to disagree about certain things but it is nice to have an actual intelligent discussion here.
I like it too.
As for the Laser, I still conjecture that it was not "out of the blue" but was an evenly ruin of known principles that was made at precisely the time that the knowledge and technology required became available...
You almost here. Laser is a consequence of fusion of different things that are available at the time - knowledge, technologies and curiosity.
was also theorizing the basic concept of lasers in the early 20th century
The basic concept you mean was not about lasers at all. Einstein can't even imagine that thing. The same concept is behind luminiscence and other stuff.
Also, the properties of laser beam was not predicted theoretically, they was figured out only after discovery.
But to make one, the advances in electronics were also required
Electronics is not a requirement for lasers. Some lasers even don't use electricity at all.
but there was a clear build up to the technology and nothing anomalous about the progression.
Exactly. The trinity of knowledge, technologies and curiosity worked out pretty well. And guess what? Thigs that born from that trinity added to that trinity. So, number of combinations of obtained knowledge and available tech to explore become larger, and different "laser-like" inventions and discoveries should appear with growing rate, may be even exponentially.
But they are not.
why do you choose the 1970's when all the breakthroughs you cite occurred before the 1970's?
Did you read my post I linked to about 1970? If not, shortly - I think, that around 1970 those who ruled that world make a decision to shut down scientific progress among many other things they changed significantly. If you like, it could be some "agreement with reptiloids to screw humans in exchange for unlimited power over people" or whatever theory you like.
Are you mixing up scientific advances with economic and social policy change?
Because science and technology makes people free. Today, to create everything you need for decent life, you need less than a dozen man-hours a week. When you have free time, you get an ability to self-develop, think about what's going around and all that stuff. And you will inevitablyl come to conclusion that you don't need elites. So, to prevent that, elites not only defeloped a system for extracting that free time from people, but also prevent further scientific advaces that could suddenly make elites ways of opression not just ineffective, but completely senseless.
Resonators was known long before too. But nobody before tried to combine that two things and get something completely new. That is the point.
Nitrogen laser using air (search it, it is simple as fuck device) could have been be made right at the moment when scientists start to experiment with electricity. There is nothing special in technologies of making lasers. Ruby laser could have been made even without electricity at all, just ruby crystal with parallel sides excited with any bright flash.
Very short answer - https://conspiracies.win/p/11RNy8tZCy/conspiracy-of-conspiracies/ And it is not only me who noticed that something huge happened around 1970.
Been meaning to get back to you on this... We seem to disagree about certain things but it is nice to have an actual intelligent discussion here.
As for the Laser, I still conjecture that it was not "out of the blue" but was an evenly ruin of known principles that was made at precisely the time that the knowledge and technology required became available... we have know about manipulation of waves such as water and sound for a long time, and we (humans) made instruments to manipulate, amplify, and focus these waves for centuries even before we understood exactly why this worked (musical instruments, building acoustics, water management structures, etc).
The Laser required first, the knowledge that light also is a waveform (as well as other levels of radiation such as microwaves which were used before light in the Maser). Although others also postulated this, Einstein ends up getting the credit for bringing it mainstream in science and was also theorizing the basic concept of lasers in the early 20th century (1917 according to Wikipedia).
But to make one, the advances in electronics were also required that would not happen until around the post war period. And the first examples of lasers were made in the 1950's-early 1960's at the precise time when it became feasible to make them.
Not saying it was not incredibly useful or revolutionized many industries, but there was a clear build up to the technology and nothing anomalous about the progression.
About the nitrogen laser: once a technology has been developed, it is easy to look back and see how it could have been made before... whether or not you think the ancient Egyptians or Greeks or Persians actually used the primitive batteries some have theorized, we can say for a fact that any culture who had achieved the ability to smelt iron and copper COULD have made batteries and used electricity. Again, hindsight is 20/20. There is also the theory that the lost "Greek Fire" was an unrefined version of thermite. The Greeks were known to trade in salts containing aluminum and iron oxide was trivial to obtain.
I want to ask again, because I get what you are saying about new "breakthroughs" but why do you choose the 1970's when all the breakthroughs you cite occurred before the 1970's?
Are you mixing up scientific advances with economic and social policy change? Because there is a huge shift for known reasons in 1971, but that does not correlate to scientific discovery. For this it would be more accurate to say "Since the 1950's"
I like it too.
You almost here. Laser is a consequence of fusion of different things that are available at the time - knowledge, technologies and curiosity.
The basic concept you mean was not about lasers at all. Einstein can't even imagine that thing. The same concept is behind luminiscence and other stuff.
Also, the properties of laser beam was not predicted theoretically, they was figured out only after discovery.
Electronics is not a requirement for lasers. Some lasers even don't use electricity at all.
Exactly. The trinity of knowledge, technologies and curiosity worked out pretty well. And guess what? Thigs that born from that trinity added to that trinity. So, number of combinations of obtained knowledge and available tech to explore become larger, and different "laser-like" inventions and discoveries should appear with growing rate, may be even exponentially.
But they are not.
Did you read my post I linked to about 1970? If not, shortly - I think, that around 1970 those who ruled that world make a decision to shut down scientific progress among many other things they changed significantly. If you like, it could be some "agreement with reptiloids to screw humans in exchange for unlimited power over people" or whatever theory you like.
Because science and technology makes people free. Today, to create everything you need for decent life, you need less than a dozen man-hours a week. When you have free time, you get an ability to self-develop, think about what's going around and all that stuff. And you will inevitablyl come to conclusion that you don't need elites. So, to prevent that, elites not only defeloped a system for extracting that free time from people, but also prevent further scientific advaces that could suddenly make elites ways of opression not just ineffective, but completely senseless.
Something like that.