We agree that wind power is unreliable and slow for a means of travel.
True, however we can also both agree that it works just the same and removing engines from flying craft lessens their maintenance overheads, overall costs, and increases their autonomy/self sufficiency.
The dream of august picard (and many others) was to utilize the jetstream for faster and more dependable travel. Kites and other methods could be employed, including entering the jetstream one’s self with pressurized cabins.
and you have a lower operating ceiling than a pressurized craft
Not necessarily. Such things depend on craft design, and obviously hydrogen/helium balloons can easily travel MUCH higher than aircraft. In general, i expect most will have (as they do today and for the same reasons) a lower ceiling, but who is to say what innovations will change that when/if we take to the skies en masse.
First I’m the villain for not allowing any and all to fly unrestricted and now you won’t give us all jet engines?
Lol. No one will be “given” anything. I am just not advocating for abundant jet powered aircraft as they are extremely dangerous and expensive. We could relearn to take longer voyages again, and it would do us good to exercise such patience.
Where’s my freedom sir!
In the same place as everyone else’s! But running your jet car on the local freeway is more an act of war/terrorism than of personal freedom. The air above is vast, and there is more than enough room for all.
their large size
I envision/imagine smaller ones, for the average sort. It is true that there is a lot of work to be done to make it safe and convenient/dependable in any sort of way recognizable to us today.
We need to knock off the green energy idea and work on a new form of portable energy, and also work at miniaturized nuclear.
I largely agree with you, and this too can be done safely. However, the most available/abundant and cheap “free energy” to travel on in the air is the wind- followed by the sun. There’s no reason not to pursue/utilize the low hanging fruit in the meantime!
Also, sadly such small nuclear already exists and is simply not disseminated. I expect it will continue to be this way indefinitely under the “current paradigm”.
it would be a huge blow to our need to explore
Most cubicle dwellers have that need beaten out of them anyway (or so the induced depression, dissatisfaction, and malaise tells them, anyhow). Recognizing that “outer space” is merely modern mythology wouldn’t extinguish the human spirit. More mythology will unquestionably fill the void, and for the earnest - there will be a great spirit of exploration to discover reality once such mythology is exposed.
The idea that this planet is all we have access to is like saying this glass of water is all the ocean we get.
And what if earth is not a planet (wandering star) at all? I agree that the myth of scarcity is artificial, derives from our enemy, and is silly.
Totally untrue and easy for any curious person to look into.
So we are meant to believe, and taught from childhood. One can easily look up at the sky, and the lights within it. Understanding/determining what they are scientifically (or otherwise) is another matter.
can talk about any action to reclaim what’s ours on these forums without being called a glowy shill.
True. But let them call names to their hearts content.
1776 proved a small dedicated group can achieve greatness for many
Small, dedicated, rich, and through manipulating/influencing/organizing the larger populous.
they’ve done wonders in replacing our warriors with Avocado toast soy drinking pussies.
Our enemy (the slavers) do everything they can to subjugate and make better slaves. However, like that small dedicated group you mentioned - they require the slaves for most everything and are entirely dependent upon them. That’s why step 1 is freeing their workforce from their clutches. Autonomy in travel, such as a small neutrally buoyant craft could help provide, would be a great step towards that - and this is undoubtedly why there has been so much pressure from the slavers against it.
So many points to respond to, and I just say I’ve been enjoying this conversation immensely. :)
Wind and solar power may be vast and free to all but making use of these in a way that suits your need at the time can be difficult. If I need to fly home to the east and the wind is blowing south west, a wind only craft is not going to get me home, unless I can get above that wind into a jet stream going the opposite direction, ride it further than my destination to give me time and space to get down through the opposite direction wind and land on my property. Not impossible to do but for the average person who gets thrown off with road constructions causing a detour this will be a major obstacle for a lot of people.
A lower operating ceiling is a must unless you’re going to pressurize your cabin and have oxygen available. This adds more complexity and additional systems and weight that you now need a bigger craft to lift and maintain. There are no free lunches when it comes to engineering.
I disagree about jet engines being dangerous and expensive. Okay not so much about the expensive because they are currently but so was the first automobile and tractor. Mass production could bring their cost down to a reasonable level. If it was paired with a nuclear power source instead of an overgrown cell phone battery we could indeed make some interesting modes of transport.
The need to explore and travel is indeed beaten out of the average cubicle prisoner. Most people seem satisfied with a glorified mobile chair and have some of the worst taste in vehicles I can imagine but to each their own I’m told. Many would opt for the briefcase flying car from the jetsons cartoon, while others prefer a sci-fi inspired vtol craft capable of fantastic things. There’s no one size fits all solution and it’s foolish to try to implement one. We need to have a. Road range of transport to fit every need. An electric vehicle is suicidally stupid in my neck of the woods and my pickup is a horrible pain for an apartment dwelling city driver to park. My 1977 luxury car is too big for most people in my life to want to drive and a small import shithox(hell even the small domestic ones) are too cramped for my 6’5” frame. We need options for many different people and situations, so while you could have your flying airship, for 95% of people, it wouldn’t do the job they need their transportation to do.
I must reject your proposal of space being modern mythology. Meteorites and satellite signal where no cell signal exists is enough to discredit a lack of space for me. I can look for more proof and have, but don’t feel the need to list everything here unless you’re really curious.
Getting called names means fuck all in the end, but when it serves to shut down all rational discussion it’s desired effect has been achieved. I understand the need for shutting down glowies and following the rules to keep the website online but at the same time we don’t have free speech which should be criminal.
You’re right about it being a rich small group that caused the last major uprising that was successful. Private people owned warships and cannons. Nowadays they own corporations and mercenaries. The world has changed and so must we, if we wish to be more than a serfs.
Ideally I’d love a world where you jump in your iron man suit, fly over and do your work or errand without being injured, fly home and enjoy your day doing whatever. It still wouldn’t be a perfect world but transpiration would be awesome. I’m a bit of a speed demon and a slow transatlantic flight on an airship would drive me nuts from lack of productivity during the voyage. Air travel with jets makes getting there simply a part of the process instead of a massive undertaking unto itself.
True, however we can also both agree that it works just the same and removing engines from flying craft lessens their maintenance overheads, overall costs, and increases their autonomy/self sufficiency.
The dream of august picard (and many others) was to utilize the jetstream for faster and more dependable travel. Kites and other methods could be employed, including entering the jetstream one’s self with pressurized cabins.
Not necessarily. Such things depend on craft design, and obviously hydrogen/helium balloons can easily travel MUCH higher than aircraft. In general, i expect most will have (as they do today and for the same reasons) a lower ceiling, but who is to say what innovations will change that when/if we take to the skies en masse.
Lol. No one will be “given” anything. I am just not advocating for abundant jet powered aircraft as they are extremely dangerous and expensive. We could relearn to take longer voyages again, and it would do us good to exercise such patience.
In the same place as everyone else’s! But running your jet car on the local freeway is more an act of war/terrorism than of personal freedom. The air above is vast, and there is more than enough room for all.
I envision/imagine smaller ones, for the average sort. It is true that there is a lot of work to be done to make it safe and convenient/dependable in any sort of way recognizable to us today.
I largely agree with you, and this too can be done safely. However, the most available/abundant and cheap “free energy” to travel on in the air is the wind- followed by the sun. There’s no reason not to pursue/utilize the low hanging fruit in the meantime!
Also, sadly such small nuclear already exists and is simply not disseminated. I expect it will continue to be this way indefinitely under the “current paradigm”.
Most cubicle dwellers have that need beaten out of them anyway (or so the induced depression, dissatisfaction, and malaise tells them, anyhow). Recognizing that “outer space” is merely modern mythology wouldn’t extinguish the human spirit. More mythology will unquestionably fill the void, and for the earnest - there will be a great spirit of exploration to discover reality once such mythology is exposed.
And what if earth is not a planet (wandering star) at all? I agree that the myth of scarcity is artificial, derives from our enemy, and is silly.
So we are meant to believe, and taught from childhood. One can easily look up at the sky, and the lights within it. Understanding/determining what they are scientifically (or otherwise) is another matter.
True. But let them call names to their hearts content.
Small, dedicated, rich, and through manipulating/influencing/organizing the larger populous.
Our enemy (the slavers) do everything they can to subjugate and make better slaves. However, like that small dedicated group you mentioned - they require the slaves for most everything and are entirely dependent upon them. That’s why step 1 is freeing their workforce from their clutches. Autonomy in travel, such as a small neutrally buoyant craft could help provide, would be a great step towards that - and this is undoubtedly why there has been so much pressure from the slavers against it.
So many points to respond to, and I just say I’ve been enjoying this conversation immensely. :)
Wind and solar power may be vast and free to all but making use of these in a way that suits your need at the time can be difficult. If I need to fly home to the east and the wind is blowing south west, a wind only craft is not going to get me home, unless I can get above that wind into a jet stream going the opposite direction, ride it further than my destination to give me time and space to get down through the opposite direction wind and land on my property. Not impossible to do but for the average person who gets thrown off with road constructions causing a detour this will be a major obstacle for a lot of people.
A lower operating ceiling is a must unless you’re going to pressurize your cabin and have oxygen available. This adds more complexity and additional systems and weight that you now need a bigger craft to lift and maintain. There are no free lunches when it comes to engineering.
I disagree about jet engines being dangerous and expensive. Okay not so much about the expensive because they are currently but so was the first automobile and tractor. Mass production could bring their cost down to a reasonable level. If it was paired with a nuclear power source instead of an overgrown cell phone battery we could indeed make some interesting modes of transport.
The need to explore and travel is indeed beaten out of the average cubicle prisoner. Most people seem satisfied with a glorified mobile chair and have some of the worst taste in vehicles I can imagine but to each their own I’m told. Many would opt for the briefcase flying car from the jetsons cartoon, while others prefer a sci-fi inspired vtol craft capable of fantastic things. There’s no one size fits all solution and it’s foolish to try to implement one. We need to have a. Road range of transport to fit every need. An electric vehicle is suicidally stupid in my neck of the woods and my pickup is a horrible pain for an apartment dwelling city driver to park. My 1977 luxury car is too big for most people in my life to want to drive and a small import shithox(hell even the small domestic ones) are too cramped for my 6’5” frame. We need options for many different people and situations, so while you could have your flying airship, for 95% of people, it wouldn’t do the job they need their transportation to do.
I must reject your proposal of space being modern mythology. Meteorites and satellite signal where no cell signal exists is enough to discredit a lack of space for me. I can look for more proof and have, but don’t feel the need to list everything here unless you’re really curious.
Getting called names means fuck all in the end, but when it serves to shut down all rational discussion it’s desired effect has been achieved. I understand the need for shutting down glowies and following the rules to keep the website online but at the same time we don’t have free speech which should be criminal.
You’re right about it being a rich small group that caused the last major uprising that was successful. Private people owned warships and cannons. Nowadays they own corporations and mercenaries. The world has changed and so must we, if we wish to be more than a serfs.
Ideally I’d love a world where you jump in your iron man suit, fly over and do your work or errand without being injured, fly home and enjoy your day doing whatever. It still wouldn’t be a perfect world but transpiration would be awesome. I’m a bit of a speed demon and a slow transatlantic flight on an airship would drive me nuts from lack of productivity during the voyage. Air travel with jets makes getting there simply a part of the process instead of a massive undertaking unto itself.