There are some valid criticisms of virology, but the average critic cannot handle any actual scientific discussion about it without breaking down and calling you satan. Makes me only more skeptical if such dumb rubes are believing this.
They make a good point that electron microscope images can't prove the function of what is photographed without more analysis.
I haven't heard that Polio virus was built from scratch, that is interesting.
I usually look to the fact that scientists are able to engineer viruses to do what they want at this point. So clearly they have figured them out and know how to use them. Then "no virus" people will say "oh those are exoxomes that can send signals between organisms", but why would those signals include small pox? That seems stupid.
I wonder if it is all a giant psyop to make people think the government can't engineer viruses because "they don't exist". It certainly seems foolish to dismiss bioweapons which governments spend billions on.
If the "viruses don't exist" people can make their case I'm all for it. But if they can't handle any scrutiny or questioning they are in a cult, just like pro-vaxxers are.
If your interest is in discovering the truth, why do you care what other people think? Do you think any of them care whether you take them seriously? Frankly, I question why I even bothered to type this out.
As a skeptical person I notice that the terrain theory proponents go after very old studies to debunk. There are thousands of more modern studies in the literature on rabies to choose from. I found this one on a very breif search.
"Mature and immature red foxes (Vulpes vulpes) and striped skunks (Mephitis mephitis) were fed varying numbers of white mice infected with street isolates and a fixed strain of rabies virus. Rabies deaths and the development of serum neutralizing antibody to rabies virus occurred in both species. The epizootiological implications of these findings are discussed."
So these researchers are able to inject a modified cell culture that produces rabies in animals that ate the injected animals. Wouldn't it then make sense to look into the contents of that injection (they did and they believe a virus causes the illness). If there was some new bacteria causing the illness rather than a virus shouldn't terrain theory advocates want to study that culture and find that out?
Animal studies are definitely relevant though. If this is shown to spread from mammal to mammal and the same symptoms end up being found in humans who've been bitten I don't see what other conclusion you can come to.
it tough trying to talk to people about this, we are all in this together, all trying to find answers. it gets frustrating trying to relay this message to people. Just like how normies write off every person who says the jabb is bad many people look at terrain theory folks the exact same way.
iv posted a few times about this and the first thing people do is call you a "flat earther" or disinformation agent and disregard literally everything you say. doesn't matter what is sourced, they dont even try and look into it
its compounded by the fact that there is real disinformation being throw out, Snake venom is good example.
to really understand this you have to go back to the late 1800s and follow the trail of what these guys were actually doing. how they preformed there test and what there results actually were
if you got any questions i can probably answer them.
If you think we should just accept being called a scumbag and worthy of death without objection, you are a weak person. But really you're just butthurt that I'm calling out your cult, why not just address the actual issue?
Its just the cold and flu.
I'm not talking about all viruses
My understanding is that they used massive parallel sequencing to some (non isolated) sample.
Like looking at a bowl of food and saying Yep, there's some spaghetti in there.
You haven't isolated the pasta monster, but you can cite evidence that it's in there.
There are some valid criticisms of virology, but the average critic cannot handle any actual scientific discussion about it without breaking down and calling you satan. Makes me only more skeptical if such dumb rubes are believing this.
You have electron microscope images of viruses.
The Polio virus has been re-constructed from scratch.
They make a good point that electron microscope images can't prove the function of what is photographed without more analysis.
I haven't heard that Polio virus was built from scratch, that is interesting.
I usually look to the fact that scientists are able to engineer viruses to do what they want at this point. So clearly they have figured them out and know how to use them. Then "no virus" people will say "oh those are exoxomes that can send signals between organisms", but why would those signals include small pox? That seems stupid.
I'm getting "no isolated virus" people --- which could, still be, very well true.
As the story gets re-told it becomes no virus.
It's scary
IMO that's a bioweapon.
I think a handful of viruses have passed most of Koch's postulates
I wonder if it is all a giant psyop to make people think the government can't engineer viruses because "they don't exist". It certainly seems foolish to dismiss bioweapons which governments spend billions on.
IMO --- it's a fallacy of "never isolated" = "doesn't exist"
I agree the fallacy is there, but I also think the feds are there. Just like I think they were behind Flat Earth.
If the "viruses don't exist" people can make their case I'm all for it. But if they can't handle any scrutiny or questioning they are in a cult, just like pro-vaxxers are.
If your interest is in discovering the truth, why do you care what other people think? Do you think any of them care whether you take them seriously? Frankly, I question why I even bothered to type this out.
Yeah it sort of belies your entire point.
My point exactly.
My original comment he responded to: https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/What-About-Rabies:a?lc=02f6ac8d6bb9a01fa1d04960b5df7ed273bdb21720a9418bb79a3613d879d1e1
As a skeptical person I notice that the terrain theory proponents go after very old studies to debunk. There are thousands of more modern studies in the literature on rabies to choose from. I found this one on a very breif search.
"Mature and immature red foxes (Vulpes vulpes) and striped skunks (Mephitis mephitis) were fed varying numbers of white mice infected with street isolates and a fixed strain of rabies virus. Rabies deaths and the development of serum neutralizing antibody to rabies virus occurred in both species. The epizootiological implications of these findings are discussed."
https://bioone.org/journals/journal-of-wildlife-diseases/volume-11/issue-3/0090-3558-11.3.318/STUDIES-ON-THE-ORAL-INFECTIVITY-OF-RABIES-VIRUS-IN-CARNIVORA1/10.7589/0090-3558-11.3.318.full
So these researchers are able to inject a modified cell culture that produces rabies in animals that ate the injected animals. Wouldn't it then make sense to look into the contents of that injection (they did and they believe a virus causes the illness). If there was some new bacteria causing the illness rather than a virus shouldn't terrain theory advocates want to study that culture and find that out?
Animal studies are definitely relevant though. If this is shown to spread from mammal to mammal and the same symptoms end up being found in humans who've been bitten I don't see what other conclusion you can come to.
it tough trying to talk to people about this, we are all in this together, all trying to find answers. it gets frustrating trying to relay this message to people. Just like how normies write off every person who says the jabb is bad many people look at terrain theory folks the exact same way.
iv posted a few times about this and the first thing people do is call you a "flat earther" or disinformation agent and disregard literally everything you say. doesn't matter what is sourced, they dont even try and look into it
its compounded by the fact that there is real disinformation being throw out, Snake venom is good example.
to really understand this you have to go back to the late 1800s and follow the trail of what these guys were actually doing. how they preformed there test and what there results actually were
if you got any questions i can probably answer them.
The roles are reversed in this situation. It is the "no virus" people being intolerant and cult like.
yeah it does go both ways.
My point is it is not a good sign for the movement if it already produces this cult like mentality. That only serves as a red flag to me.
that's probably the best way to view things initially.
user name does not check out
You're right, that person was all politics and no science.
Before you tell others to turn to god you should take your advice first
You've only proved terrain theory is a cult to you. Turning to God does not equal supporting your recent disinfo theory.
^ Cult member spotted
You sound triggered and mentally ill. You also sound like a closet case.
If you think we should just accept being called a scumbag and worthy of death without objection, you are a weak person. But really you're just butthurt that I'm calling out your cult, why not just address the actual issue?
Blah blah, you're just butthurt your cult was attacked.