Rules Based Order = US / NATO / 5 eyes lead coalition of US/UK/CAN/NZ/AUS/EU of "you do what we say, or we destroy you" Unipolarity, i.e. the sinking ship of old fucktards and crumpling old empires.
vs.
Law Based Order = Shared and accepted by all participants, legally binding system, based on international laws and courts, proposed by Russia, China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, Iran, Argentina (the new BRICS++ or the "New G8"), ie. the majority of world's population and GDP.
That's what they propose. That they will all adhere to ICC, WTO and the rest among their shared dealings with each other, and not to UN/security council and US's "fuck you" rules.
Of course, within their own countries (i.e. domestic law) they are right to do whatever the fuck they want.
That does not mean that there can't be created laws between that countries.
And why do you think that there are no laws or rules in that countries. They exist, but they are different from what you imagine for yourself. And the whole law system is different from what you think. Western juridical system does not mean "law", just like USD does not mean "money" or just like fictional "gender" does not mean that man could become woman.
I'm very skeptical of these narratives.
BRICS could be a plan B for elites. BRICS did not do anything that directly harm elites or their narrative. F.e. IMF and WHO was not declared terrorist organizations, members of WEF is not under investigation, no any tribunals on the local WHO proxies and so on.
So, BRICS could be a failover replacement for West centered NWO if stupid western elite pawns fuck up everything.
BRICs always have been a place for western corps to work around laws they didn't like on their home turf...
Western laws. But in BRICS they obey BRICS laws. I think the western law "you have to hire niggers and gays for sensitive positions" is way worse for corps than "don't criticise Putin" in Russia or "you have to avoid pork and alcohol" in some muslim country.
I've see Chinese "Law".... Fuuuuuck that noise.
Laws and laws system don't have to be a copy of western laws and law system at all. F.e. US law system with so called "case law" looks insane for me, with that stupid approach that if some judge in distant past make some decision on similar case, it is somehow could be an argument in another case, but I don't state that there is no law in US just because I don't like that system or do not understand it.
If you do not understand Chineese law and law system, that does not mean there are no law. There still shit, but it is different from western shit.
Despite all differences between law systems in West and World, there is one thing pretty common. Laws everywhere purposedly made overcomplicated and stated in special insane language, so regular citizen could not use or understand them without expensive assistance of layers, attorneys and other parasites. Everywhere courts always put that laws above common sense, science, truth and other things. With all differences the kernel of all existing law systems are the same.
Also, there is interesting linguistic thing in the English language (and other western languages too). There is no literal transaltion for the term "справедливость" (in Russian, but there is words for similar concept in other non-western languages), that means something like "fair, honest and truthful resolution of some controversy among people". Dictionaries will propose "justice" as a translation, but that is completely wrong, term "справедливость" have nothing common with term "justice", courts, laws or juridical system at all. It is also not an "equity", "fairness", whatever. We have another, different word for "justice" - "правосудие", that is literal translation of term "justice", derived from Rome godness of law Justitia Augusta, some authority of law. West literally lacking one of the basic concepts of social life. There is no word in western languages for that concept, that is above and in no way connected with any justice, laws, courts and other authority stuff. Western understanding of right and good things tied to justice system, and there is just no western word for concept that is above that justice. "Справедливость" could be completely unjust, unlawful, unjuridical and still be the only right and fair resolution. IDK if I can find any understandable example to illustrate that concept, but imagine that Marvin Himeyer didn't kill himself in the end, but kill all that bastards who tried to take his land, all judges, state officials and police who pursue him instead of taking his side. And finally he is alive, good, wealthy landowner and everybody think he did right thing. And all that without any interference of justice system or any athorities at all.
So, it is a big question, if "the law" as something good and fair you talking about, ever existed on the West, since the concept of "справедливость" does not exist in western languages. Real laws have to be build on that concept, not on some "justice" that inevitably implies some special authorities.
Russia in my mind "Crime and Punishment", probably has pretty strong concepts of these things, which is what it looks like your laying out. Interesting stuff.
Meanwhile, I find interesting, that West find something exceptional in Dostoyevsky. He is, say, noir novelist, good one, but working in specific genre. Another widely known Russian author - Leo Tolstoy with his "War and peace", it is also kind of very specific, heavy historic-philosophy genre. May be that specificity make them interesting for foreigners. :)
In China, it's like, it's smart to take any advantage you can, as long as it's not written out by the law.
And that is China law. Fact that some law is not written on paper, does not make it void in many cultures. And in many cultures could be opposite thing - it could be inapropriate to do things that is not prohibited by written law. And that is a law too.
I mean it works in the framework of China, because everyone assumes everyone else is going to cheat.
I know that this thing exists in China, but really it is not absolute. Not all chineese abide that law and cheat. But you are right, it will be reasonable take that law into account making deals with chineese.
It depends on meaning you attach to the term "law" - "system of society rules" or "some juridical texts". If you limit the "law" to the latter, you could easily fall into troubles in many places.
For newcomers:
Rules Based Order = US / NATO / 5 eyes lead coalition of US/UK/CAN/NZ/AUS/EU of "you do what we say, or we destroy you" Unipolarity, i.e. the sinking ship of old fucktards and crumpling old empires.
vs.
Law Based Order = Shared and accepted by all participants, legally binding system, based on international laws and courts, proposed by Russia, China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, Iran, Argentina (the new BRICS++ or the "New G8"), ie. the majority of world's population and GDP.
That's what they propose. That they will all adhere to ICC, WTO and the rest among their shared dealings with each other, and not to UN/security council and US's "fuck you" rules.
Of course, within their own countries (i.e. domestic law) they are right to do whatever the fuck they want.
Please stop reading your thinking into mine.
I did not say they were "altruistic" or "fair based law system".
I'm not stupid.
But you need to understand the two big blocks, to understand where the war of crime families is going in the world.
Agree wholeheartedly. Brics+++ is just another flavour of crap. Crap regardless.
That does not mean that there can't be created laws between that countries.
And why do you think that there are no laws or rules in that countries. They exist, but they are different from what you imagine for yourself. And the whole law system is different from what you think. Western juridical system does not mean "law", just like USD does not mean "money" or just like fictional "gender" does not mean that man could become woman.
BRICS could be a plan B for elites. BRICS did not do anything that directly harm elites or their narrative. F.e. IMF and WHO was not declared terrorist organizations, members of WEF is not under investigation, no any tribunals on the local WHO proxies and so on.
So, BRICS could be a failover replacement for West centered NWO if stupid western elite pawns fuck up everything.
Western laws. But in BRICS they obey BRICS laws. I think the western law "you have to hire niggers and gays for sensitive positions" is way worse for corps than "don't criticise Putin" in Russia or "you have to avoid pork and alcohol" in some muslim country.
Laws and laws system don't have to be a copy of western laws and law system at all. F.e. US law system with so called "case law" looks insane for me, with that stupid approach that if some judge in distant past make some decision on similar case, it is somehow could be an argument in another case, but I don't state that there is no law in US just because I don't like that system or do not understand it.
If you do not understand Chineese law and law system, that does not mean there are no law. There still shit, but it is different from western shit.
Despite all differences between law systems in West and World, there is one thing pretty common. Laws everywhere purposedly made overcomplicated and stated in special insane language, so regular citizen could not use or understand them without expensive assistance of layers, attorneys and other parasites. Everywhere courts always put that laws above common sense, science, truth and other things. With all differences the kernel of all existing law systems are the same.
Also, there is interesting linguistic thing in the English language (and other western languages too). There is no literal transaltion for the term "справедливость" (in Russian, but there is words for similar concept in other non-western languages), that means something like "fair, honest and truthful resolution of some controversy among people". Dictionaries will propose "justice" as a translation, but that is completely wrong, term "справедливость" have nothing common with term "justice", courts, laws or juridical system at all. It is also not an "equity", "fairness", whatever. We have another, different word for "justice" - "правосудие", that is literal translation of term "justice", derived from Rome godness of law Justitia Augusta, some authority of law. West literally lacking one of the basic concepts of social life. There is no word in western languages for that concept, that is above and in no way connected with any justice, laws, courts and other authority stuff. Western understanding of right and good things tied to justice system, and there is just no western word for concept that is above that justice. "Справедливость" could be completely unjust, unlawful, unjuridical and still be the only right and fair resolution. IDK if I can find any understandable example to illustrate that concept, but imagine that Marvin Himeyer didn't kill himself in the end, but kill all that bastards who tried to take his land, all judges, state officials and police who pursue him instead of taking his side. And finally he is alive, good, wealthy landowner and everybody think he did right thing. And all that without any interference of justice system or any athorities at all.
So, it is a big question, if "the law" as something good and fair you talking about, ever existed on the West, since the concept of "справедливость" does not exist in western languages. Real laws have to be build on that concept, not on some "justice" that inevitably implies some special authorities.
Meanwhile, I find interesting, that West find something exceptional in Dostoyevsky. He is, say, noir novelist, good one, but working in specific genre. Another widely known Russian author - Leo Tolstoy with his "War and peace", it is also kind of very specific, heavy historic-philosophy genre. May be that specificity make them interesting for foreigners. :)
And that is China law. Fact that some law is not written on paper, does not make it void in many cultures. And in many cultures could be opposite thing - it could be inapropriate to do things that is not prohibited by written law. And that is a law too.
I know that this thing exists in China, but really it is not absolute. Not all chineese abide that law and cheat. But you are right, it will be reasonable take that law into account making deals with chineese.
It depends on meaning you attach to the term "law" - "system of society rules" or "some juridical texts". If you limit the "law" to the latter, you could easily fall into troubles in many places.
All world orders must fail. National order must protect regional order and individual sovereignty. World orders have failed us all.
Libelal?