But it shouldn't require hope. There should be so much evidence that it happened that it would be undeniable. Instead that is just rhetoric and there is no evidence whatsoever beyond some small percentage of crummy footage :(
The most amazing thing humanity has ever accomplished - erased, willfully destroyed, and negligently preserved?
It's all tv propaganda and lies - the entire "space age" is.
This is one of the best arguments against the moon landings imo. Though I think/hope it was real.
You can look at it this way - when the US introduced the Space Shuttle, the USSR quickly made its own copy, improved even. It didn't use the shuttle's engine for launch, only the boosters, and it could also land on autopilot. They used it for exactly one flight, and then it was scrapped because it had no advantages over disposable carrier rockets.
The manned moon missions were kinda like that - great for bragging rights, decent for collecting samples and some other scientific purposes, but otherwise not too essential for the actual strategic goals of the space programs at the time - that is, making space guns. So it made sense to scrap the program once the novelty wore off.
Moreover, the landings date to the Nixon era - which explains why the then left-wing conspiracy circles (and the media supporting the left, as usual) would try to discredit them, as the achievements of the most eeevil president before Trump. Ironically, the only other nation capable of conclusively proving them as false - by showing radio signal triangulation data from the transmissions - was the USSR, which had every reason to try and discredit this American achievement, yet even they didn't force the matter.
Finally, nowadays there are even private observatories powerful enough to distinguish the landing equipment - lander, rover and all - so either the telescopes contain a magic invisible screen projecting Da Big Lie... or, sometime in the past fifty years, someone did go out there to put them.
Really, out of all the conspiracies to investigate, I've never gotten why the moon landings ever became such a big issue to begin with.
"Now, if the OP focus is to have your own echo chamber, nowadays you can actually create your own sub for that. Some guys already have. Sure, nobody else really visits those subs, so the "echo" isn't too loud, but you have the freedom to try anyway."
But keep giving yourself fake upvotes. It'll help the feelz.
Flights on Earth are cancelled or delayed under more known conditions.
You're thinking about airline flights, where safety is priority number 1. In that context, any hint of danger is unacceptable. Airlines will ground flights for any reason or no reason. At the same time, military aircraft have equipment that allow them to do instrument approaches to the middle of the desert, no airport required, and bush pilots routinely land planes on virgin land in the middle of nowhere with just a compass and a map for navigation equipment, just to go camping.
They already knew the moon had no atmosphere, so the only two unknowns were gravity and ground conditions. The lack of accidents could just be due to the small number of trips. Reckless drivers can get away with it for years before fate finally catches up to them.
Quite. There were also two manned flybys before the Apollo 11 mission, with Apollo 10 testing every condition but the actual landing. Even gravity and ground conditions weren't unknown by then, since the Soviet Luna missions had already obtained the relevant data. Namely, that the Moon is literally hard as rock all over, making for a far more suitable landing surface than most terrestrial environments.
Ingo Swann was hired to remote view the dark side of the moon exactly because the USA wasn't allowed, by the beings who control that shit up there, to come back ever again.
Nope, it is always falling w.r.t. earth. It's called gravity. Unfortunately both the earth and the moon are moving. . . so still the moon falls (a.k.a. gravity).
Nope, it is always falling w.r.t. earth. It's called gravity.
Actually, it's called gravitation (gravity is a natural law millennia old).
And that is what we are dogmatically required to believe and repeat in order to matriculate.... However, "it ain't necessarily so" - sportin' life.
If you would like to know more about why orbit (writ large) is fiction, and always was, please join me to discuses it on the community I created specifically for such discussions! Click my username, it's the only community I moderate.
Nope, artificial sweeteners being passed off as protein.
If I understand your analogy, I am offering something closer to ambrosia. Not mere steak, and certainly nothing sweet. In fact, it is quite bitter - but is an acquired taste that can grow on you.
What do you have to lose but a little bit of time? I am only offering rational discourse, for your earnest consideration - nothing more and nothing less.
If you don't benefit from the discussion, at least it could broaden your palette of available "artificial sweeteners on the market".
I can only assure you that I am earnest, and have a LOT of historical and scientific support for my view (which is well worth exploring). Perhaps I am crazy, or wrong - but I am not peddling sweetner!
Flat Earth is a fucking retarded psyop. Even writing this I feel kinda disgusted that I am interacting with (probably) a completely, knowingly corrupt, maybe-paid pysop crier, or (less likely) with a complete dupe.
Your record so far is, in addition to pedaling a retarded psyop, is stupidly and incorrectly claiming that Earth's constant gravitational field is not "gravity" but that, instead, the common term "gravity" must take on some special meaning in your unicorn world: "gravity is a natural law millennia old".
Agreed. It is heavily advertised (i.e. heavily funded) so that you know that!
Earnest flat earth research is nothing like that psyop or the offensively stupid things they loudly advertise to prevent you from ever seriously discussing or evaluating the subject. You are right that it is a psyop, and stupid, but you are wrong about why!
Even writing this I feel kinda disgusted that I am interacting with (probably) a completely, knowingly corrupt, maybe-paid pysop crier, or (less likely) with a complete dupe.
You are meant to feel this way - it is by design, and the purpose of said psyop. As long as you are certain that I am either a glowie/fed/agent of the psyop, or a useful idiot repeating their nonsense - you will never have any reason to seriously discuss or evaluate the important subject.
Your record so far is, in addition to pedaling a retarded psyop
I don't peddle anything, and am careful to avoid manipulation of any kind (marketing, convincing, argument, debate etc.). I invite to discuss and to research together in the collaboratively earnest pursuit of truth, for the benefit of all mankind. I encourage all to do the same, regardless of subject. In fact, I fight against the retarded psyop!
claiming that Earth's constant gravitational field is not "gravity"
Right. The gravitational field (actually today it is the "warping of spacetime", not a field at all) is what is believed to cause the phenomenon of gravity, which is a scientific law millennia old. Gravitation is the scientific theory, and gravity is the scientific law. Understanding the difference and why it is critical that they do not have the same name is fundamental and vital to science (as well as any discussion thereof)
must take on some special meaning
Yes, to many who first hear my nomenclature, the response is very similar to yours! I can only say that there is "method to my madness", and that I deeply love and care about science. It is through its rigorous study that I have come to understand why it is so important to keep laws and theories separate, and to acutely recognize what they are and what they are for.
I sincerely invite and encourage you to join me on the community I created specifically to discuss this subject, and to share your own views as well! Earnest flat earth research is nothing like the heavily advertised psyop you have experienced before.
Click my username, and on the right hand sidebar under "Moderator for..." will be the link. If you don't see it (it doesn't display on small screens/phones), let me know and I'll pm it to you.
This is one of the best arguments against the moon landings imo. Though I think/hope it was real.
But it shouldn't require hope. There should be so much evidence that it happened that it would be undeniable. Instead that is just rhetoric and there is no evidence whatsoever beyond some small percentage of crummy footage :(
The most amazing thing humanity has ever accomplished - erased, willfully destroyed, and negligently preserved?
It's all tv propaganda and lies - the entire "space age" is.
Oh yeah. One of the last pictures of HW Bush was him in a wheelchair in front of the ISS green screen.
You can look at it this way - when the US introduced the Space Shuttle, the USSR quickly made its own copy, improved even. It didn't use the shuttle's engine for launch, only the boosters, and it could also land on autopilot. They used it for exactly one flight, and then it was scrapped because it had no advantages over disposable carrier rockets.
The manned moon missions were kinda like that - great for bragging rights, decent for collecting samples and some other scientific purposes, but otherwise not too essential for the actual strategic goals of the space programs at the time - that is, making space guns. So it made sense to scrap the program once the novelty wore off.
Moreover, the landings date to the Nixon era - which explains why the then left-wing conspiracy circles (and the media supporting the left, as usual) would try to discredit them, as the achievements of the most eeevil president before Trump. Ironically, the only other nation capable of conclusively proving them as false - by showing radio signal triangulation data from the transmissions - was the USSR, which had every reason to try and discredit this American achievement, yet even they didn't force the matter.
Finally, nowadays there are even private observatories powerful enough to distinguish the landing equipment - lander, rover and all - so either the telescopes contain a magic invisible screen projecting Da Big Lie... or, sometime in the past fifty years, someone did go out there to put them.
Really, out of all the conspiracies to investigate, I've never gotten why the moon landings ever became such a big issue to begin with.
Luckily we all know why you feel that way. :)
Care to make an actual counterpoint - that is, why the moon landings are such an essential hoax?
Dude, you lost all standing with shit like this:
"Now, if the OP focus is to have your own echo chamber, nowadays you can actually create your own sub for that. Some guys already have. Sure, nobody else really visits those subs, so the "echo" isn't too loud, but you have the freedom to try anyway."
But keep giving yourself fake upvotes. It'll help the feelz.
Nope, we ALL know why you feel that way. :)
Well, that settles that.
You're not a professional debater. Sorry.
See my other comment.
You are garbage.
You're thinking about airline flights, where safety is priority number 1. In that context, any hint of danger is unacceptable. Airlines will ground flights for any reason or no reason. At the same time, military aircraft have equipment that allow them to do instrument approaches to the middle of the desert, no airport required, and bush pilots routinely land planes on virgin land in the middle of nowhere with just a compass and a map for navigation equipment, just to go camping.
They already knew the moon had no atmosphere, so the only two unknowns were gravity and ground conditions. The lack of accidents could just be due to the small number of trips. Reckless drivers can get away with it for years before fate finally catches up to them.
Quite. There were also two manned flybys before the Apollo 11 mission, with Apollo 10 testing every condition but the actual landing. Even gravity and ground conditions weren't unknown by then, since the Soviet Luna missions had already obtained the relevant data. Namely, that the Moon is literally hard as rock all over, making for a far more suitable landing surface than most terrestrial environments.
April Fools.
Ingo Swann was hired to remote view the dark side of the moon exactly because the USA wasn't allowed, by the beings who control that shit up there, to come back ever again.
The moon is not a rock that floats in the sky and never falls. That's stupid.
Whatever it is, it cannot be landed on at all.
Nope, it is always falling w.r.t. earth. It's called gravity. Unfortunately both the earth and the moon are moving. . . so still the moon falls (a.k.a. gravity).
Actually, it's called gravitation (gravity is a natural law millennia old).
And that is what we are dogmatically required to believe and repeat in order to matriculate.... However, "it ain't necessarily so" - sportin' life.
If you would like to know more about why orbit (writ large) is fiction, and always was, please join me to discuses it on the community I created specifically for such discussions! Click my username, it's the only community I moderate.
Nope, artificial sweeteners being passed off as protein.
If I understand your analogy, I am offering something closer to ambrosia. Not mere steak, and certainly nothing sweet. In fact, it is quite bitter - but is an acquired taste that can grow on you.
What do you have to lose but a little bit of time? I am only offering rational discourse, for your earnest consideration - nothing more and nothing less.
If you don't benefit from the discussion, at least it could broaden your palette of available "artificial sweeteners on the market".
I can only assure you that I am earnest, and have a LOT of historical and scientific support for my view (which is well worth exploring). Perhaps I am crazy, or wrong - but I am not peddling sweetner!
Flat Earth is a fucking retarded psyop. Even writing this I feel kinda disgusted that I am interacting with (probably) a completely, knowingly corrupt, maybe-paid pysop crier, or (less likely) with a complete dupe.
Your record so far is, in addition to pedaling a retarded psyop, is stupidly and incorrectly claiming that Earth's constant gravitational field is not "gravity" but that, instead, the common term "gravity" must take on some special meaning in your unicorn world: "gravity is a natural law millennia old".
Agreed. It is heavily advertised (i.e. heavily funded) so that you know that!
Earnest flat earth research is nothing like that psyop or the offensively stupid things they loudly advertise to prevent you from ever seriously discussing or evaluating the subject. You are right that it is a psyop, and stupid, but you are wrong about why!
You are meant to feel this way - it is by design, and the purpose of said psyop. As long as you are certain that I am either a glowie/fed/agent of the psyop, or a useful idiot repeating their nonsense - you will never have any reason to seriously discuss or evaluate the important subject.
I don't peddle anything, and am careful to avoid manipulation of any kind (marketing, convincing, argument, debate etc.). I invite to discuss and to research together in the collaboratively earnest pursuit of truth, for the benefit of all mankind. I encourage all to do the same, regardless of subject. In fact, I fight against the retarded psyop!
Right. The gravitational field (actually today it is the "warping of spacetime", not a field at all) is what is believed to cause the phenomenon of gravity, which is a scientific law millennia old. Gravitation is the scientific theory, and gravity is the scientific law. Understanding the difference and why it is critical that they do not have the same name is fundamental and vital to science (as well as any discussion thereof)
Yes, to many who first hear my nomenclature, the response is very similar to yours! I can only say that there is "method to my madness", and that I deeply love and care about science. It is through its rigorous study that I have come to understand why it is so important to keep laws and theories separate, and to acutely recognize what they are and what they are for.
I sincerely invite and encourage you to join me on the community I created specifically to discuss this subject, and to share your own views as well! Earnest flat earth research is nothing like the heavily advertised psyop you have experienced before.
Click my username, and on the right hand sidebar under "Moderator for..." will be the link. If you don't see it (it doesn't display on small screens/phones), let me know and I'll pm it to you.