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clemaneuverers [M] [S] 6 points ago +6 / -0 stickied

Thanks for everyone's votes and suggestions, and especially to u/v8power for the winning suggestion

"HOAXED" (2019) is an insider's look at the Fake News phenomenon and the consequences of media misinformation, with interviews from those who have been accused of spreading it themselves.

It features interviews with Scott Adams, Jordan Peterson, James O'Keefe, Lauren Southern, Tim Pool, Gavin McInnes, Milo, Cassie Jaye, Mike Cernovich and Stefan Molyneux

Alternate youtube link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uJ_sTKBJiM

Website:

https://1091.tv/hoaxed

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KiloRomeo 9 points ago +9 / -0

This was great! I especially liked the way they framed the decline in cultural values as a core part of the communist strategy to destabilize the west. Though they left out the covid abs election fraud pieces of the puzzle ….

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clemaneuverers [S] 7 points ago +7 / -0

Though they left out the covid abs election fraud pieces of the puzzle

I think this came out in 2018/19

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KiloRomeo 2 points ago +2 / -0

That would explain it

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v8power 3 points ago +3 / -0

In the context of showing such a film to someone who believes the news represents truth (with minor exceptions), perhaps it's best to start off a bit slower than jumping right into COVID and election subjects.

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jubyeonin 6 points ago +6 / -0

I only liked the Alex Jones and Milo parts. What Alex said was good and the footage of the far left destroying cities because they hated Milo without even knowing anything about him was shocking even for normies.

Scott Adams is a fucking retard though and Dim Fool is not a real journalist.

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jubyeonin 2 points ago +2 / -0

I think he's uniquely retarded. lol

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MindlessRationality 1 point ago +1 / -0

He has a skill....he can be the most unaware person yet fill it with ego....

He has a gift of getting people to agree just to piss them off 5 seconds later ad miss the point while redefining it.

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Jacobin 0 points ago +1 / -1

he sounds like Kermit the frog and cries way too much. Almost at every opportunity as far as I can tell.

What was his vax comments though?

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no_ez 1 point ago +1 / -0

Scott Adams is unique— i’m glad he has a fanbase, but i think he’s rapidly destroying it. He has that same elitist schmuggery about him most modern democrats just ooze out of every pore. And he did go full retard on the vaccine.

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MindlessRationality 4 points ago +4 / -0

100% agree. The 'new' 'alternatives' alll know each other....all are in the same cliques ... Are just a hand full away from the old media .....

It's a scam imo.

I listen to all of them...they are all grifters and not really interested in changing anything. All of them....

Scott Adams, Megan Kelley, Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, Shapiro, Crowder...


But even grifters need to follow the truth sometimes.


Usually if all of them are saying something....it's likely narrative....if they individually say something, it's usually a small obscured piece of a larger thing as they all have their angles the focus on.

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MindlessRationality 2 points ago +2 / -0

And I saw recently that AJ - made 50M+ per year....that's not small time...that's 50-100+ employees easy...daily wire levels

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v8power 2 points ago +2 / -0

I liked the documentary, too.

I'm somewhat suspicious of this packaged group of "new media" stars being promoted.

I think Cernovich would agree as he showed his own reporting using "fake news" tactics in the film.

What I took away is that it's our responsibility to question/process multiple sources instead of being a pure consumer of one source.

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SuicideTruthbomber 4 points ago +4 / -0

I am five minutes in, I basically detest this film so far, but Scott Adams had something very powerful to say just before the five minute mark. Propaganda organizations hire plenty of writers so they can get their messages out as quickly as possible after an event. He was talking about getting framing out first, but the broader concept is known as anchoring.

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v8power 2 points ago +2 / -0

Adams had something very powerful to say ... about getting framing out first

Yeah.

I also liked Adams' "two movies one screen" concept, which describes how biases can get two people to form polar opposite ideas of what they just saw.

Combining the two, you can see how Fake News could divide people.

Later in the movie, we're given an example of how two groups got past that by dumping the middle man (Fake News) and talking with one another.

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SuicideTruthbomber 1 point ago +1 / -0

I plan on watching it later, but ironically they are framing the issue wrong (at least so far). The term fake news should be limited to organizations that pretend to be journalistic in order to make the information they publish appear more credible.

The Deep State had been trying to suppress that true meaning for years until they finally managed to do it by co-opting the term. Daily Beast writer Marco Chacon made a false news website that published humorous news stories that until then would have been classified as news satire. Two weeks after the 2016 election he wrote an article crowing about how easy it is to "dupe the right." Deep State media ran with it (conveniently ignoring this story and blaming Russia instead), thus forever misdirecting the world away from using that term to describe the much more serious fake news that they (as well as other governments and corporations) publish.

I’ve Been Making Viral Fake News for the Last Six Months. It’s Way Too Easy to Dupe the Right on the Internet. https://www.thedailybeast.com/ive-been-making-viral-fake-news-for-the-last-six-months-its-way-too-easy-to-dupe-the-right-on-the-internet

RealTrueNews https://www.realtruenews.org/

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v8power 2 points ago +2 / -0

The term fake news should be limited to organizations that pretend to be journalistic in order to make the information they publish appear more credible.

That was my use of "Fake News." The definition I use is "news that deceives." ...regardless of it appearing "journalistic" or not. That covers traditional news organizations as well as alternatives.

From the article you linked:

The mainstream news may not always be accurate on everything but there is a lot of it and they get the main points right. For conservatives there is no trusted media.

It sounds like conservatives are easier to fool en masse by one person on the Internet whereas MSM has a monopoly on fooling liberals (including an army of liberal fact-checkers to squash misinformation).

That kind of framing just blows my mind and raises a bunch of questions:

Why does MSM focus on controlling what liberals think? Is it easier or harder to do? Is it important to control the narrative to liberals for some reason? Did it just work out that way like some gigantic echo chamber?

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SuicideTruthbomber 2 points ago +2 / -0

Those are some great questions. My answers are kind of long-winded, and yes, I can show you a conspiracy to create an online echo chamber by the Democrats that has been insidiously scrubbed from the Internet in some sickening ways.

It sounds like conservatives are easier to fool en masse by one person...

That is the deception! The author of the piece is (ostensibly) the person responsible--liberal as fuck Daily Beast writer! Then they pretend that millions of people were "duped" by that foolishness and that something needs to be done (censoring conservative media). Then they audaciously blame the victims of their own ruse for being so stupid that those extreme measures had to be taken. This is textbook CCP propaganda!

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v8power 1 point ago +1 / -0

Those are some great questions. My answers are kind of long-winded, and yes, I can show you a conspiracy to create an online echo chamber by the Democrats that has been insidiously scrubbed from the Internet in some sickening ways.

Yes, please do!

That is the deception!

You're right that the Daily Beast writer could have been greatly inflating his effect, but I have another example: Q could have started as one person on 4chan, so it seems true that one person could fool millions of conservatives online and get away with it.

I wasn't suggesting that conservatives are easier to dupe than liberals, though. It just seems that online communities formed to help maintain a monopoly of fooling liberals (e.g. left-leaning fact checkers).

Another example of this monopoly is Google: Dr. Robert Epstein claims Google search results in 2016 and 2020 were biased toward liberal candidates.

Here's Dr. Epstein clearly saying he found bias: https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/dr-robert-epstein-on-googles-ability-to-affect-the-outcome-of-elections

And, here's an online "fact check" claiming it was just theoretical (while referring to Epstein as "Mr." instead of "Dr."): https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/19/us/politics/google-votes-election-trump.html

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User1234567 2 points ago +2 / -0

This was good. I liked the ending saying to keep on telling the truth, it’s true once you learn things you want to share but no one wants to listen.

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Psyop2020 1 point ago +1 / -0

Would love to see a sequel willing to go a bit further to expose how US government uses false flag violence to justify censorship.

Might have to dig a bit deeper than this particular lot of new media stars.

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Nacht 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thought it was ok...the comet ping pong thing was a total false flag tho not a "real world consequence" to fake news