Of course they are an ethnic group. Don't be silly.
So one group gets blamed for things other people did long ago and at the same time you complain when other people get blamed for things that happened before they were born. You justify this by claiming the bad things that some people do are in some way intrinsic to that ethnic group. In this case you are citing slave ownership. Can you name one Jew who owns a slave?
What is the word for someone who follows Judaism? (eg: Buddhist for someone following Buddhism). It can't be "Jew" according to you, since that is an ethnic group, and not a religious one.
You justify this by claiming the bad things that some people do are in some way intrinsic to that ethnic group.
Why not? If you replace "ethnic" with "religious", there are certainly groups whose religion promotes ill treatment of other groups. Where do you think Islamic extremism comes from? Does Judaism preach any different? What does Talmud say about slaves (especially pagan ones)?
Anyone following such a religion would be viewed with suspicion because it's not obvious to what extent they accept the teachings of their religion.
And if an ethnic group Y exclusively believes in one religion X, then logically any criticism of group X can be applied to group Y, it being a subset of X.
What is the word for someone who follows Judaism? (eg: Buddhist for someone following Buddhism). It can't be "Jew" according to you, since that is an ethnic group, and not a religious one.
False dichotomy. Are you trying to play the "they are not a people" game?
Try answering the question: Buddhist is to Buddhism as .....[Jew?] is to Judaism. And Black is to Africa as ....[Semite?] is to (part of) Middle East. In the process, you will discover my point.
Such confusion/vagueness doesn't exist for any other religious group, and so in case of Jews it seems artificially engineered to me.
Let me explain the sleight of hand. Take a (slightly) complex fact like Jews comprising both an ethnicity and a religion and then distil it into absolutes. You can then argue that because Jews follow Judaism, they are not an ethnic group, because Judaism is not an ethnic group. You could just as easily argue that Jews are not a religious group, because their ethnic heritage is not a religion.
The whole point is to set up the argument that Jews are not a people and therefore not a legitimate target for genocide because (according to the person advancing these arguments) genocide must target a people.
The whole things falls apart when you realize, as u/pkvi kindly pointed out, that the Jews are both an ethnic and a religious group. The argument is a false dichotomy: Being part of an ethnic group does not preclude being part of a religious group, even if they share the same name.
Of course they are an ethnic group. Don't be silly.
So one group gets blamed for things other people did long ago and at the same time you complain when other people get blamed for things that happened before they were born. You justify this by claiming the bad things that some people do are in some way intrinsic to that ethnic group. In this case you are citing slave ownership. Can you name one Jew who owns a slave?
Thank you for proving my point.
What is the word for someone who follows Judaism? (eg: Buddhist for someone following Buddhism). It can't be "Jew" according to you, since that is an ethnic group, and not a religious one.
Why not? If you replace "ethnic" with "religious", there are certainly groups whose religion promotes ill treatment of other groups. Where do you think Islamic extremism comes from? Does Judaism preach any different? What does Talmud say about slaves (especially pagan ones)?
Anyone following such a religion would be viewed with suspicion because it's not obvious to what extent they accept the teachings of their religion.
And if an ethnic group Y exclusively believes in one religion X, then logically any criticism of group X can be applied to group Y, it being a subset of X.
False dichotomy. Are you trying to play the "they are not a people" game?
It's not to delegitimize them.
Try answering the question: Buddhist is to Buddhism as .....[Jew?] is to Judaism. And Black is to Africa as ....[Semite?] is to (part of) Middle East. In the process, you will discover my point.
Such confusion/vagueness doesn't exist for any other religious group, and so in case of Jews it seems artificially engineered to me.
Let me explain the sleight of hand. Take a (slightly) complex fact like Jews comprising both an ethnicity and a religion and then distil it into absolutes. You can then argue that because Jews follow Judaism, they are not an ethnic group, because Judaism is not an ethnic group. You could just as easily argue that Jews are not a religious group, because their ethnic heritage is not a religion.
The whole point is to set up the argument that Jews are not a people and therefore not a legitimate target for genocide because (according to the person advancing these arguments) genocide must target a people.
The whole things falls apart when you realize, as u/pkvi kindly pointed out, that the Jews are both an ethnic and a religious group. The argument is a false dichotomy: Being part of an ethnic group does not preclude being part of a religious group, even if they share the same name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnoreligious_group