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posted 4 years ago by GynaNumbaZero 4 years ago by GynaNumbaZero +16 / -1
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– BRANDON_LETS_GO 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

but in order for real inflation to occur, there has to be an increase in wages

What? why? inflation is simply the devaluing of the US dollar because the market is flooded with them.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

The stimulus checks did. I had to buy a new car because mine went kaput right as they went out, which was the same time as people's tax refunds. Car prices went up at least two grand for the 5-8 year old used car market, across the board, compared to just the year before.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

They are also pushing out the child tax credit as a series of stimulus payments, rather than during the normal tax refund season. I've already gotten one payment, and other is on the way, because I have kids.

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– BRANDON_LETS_GO 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Perhaps - when I used the term "market," I meant circulating supply.

Wages aren't really controlled by monetary policy. They're controlled by supply and demand of workers. Not many people are willing to work right now for the chump change they are offered, so we're seeing some slight increases in wages, which may grow, or maybe decrease if menial jobs are replaced with bots.

My only objection to your post is you definition of inflation. That's all.

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– 21ninjaz 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

M2 money supply increased by 21% in 2020. This was spearheaded by fiscal deficits and trade deficits. If you're only looking at the Federal Reserve then you're missing the big picture.

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– 21ninjaz 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

You're moving the goalpost?

You said money is being printed but it is bank reserves (M1 money supply) and not circulating in the real economy (M2 money supply). But M2 money supply is going parabolic!

So you agree that the printed money has in fact entered into the real economy, rather than just existing as bank reserves?

Shadow Stats has consumer price increases around 14% year over year. This is multifactorial, both demand-side (parabolic money printing by Fed, budget deficits and trade deficits) and supply-side (supply chain issues, labor market, increased government regulations on private companies). Raising interest rates was the implemented solution in the 1970's but even a 1-2% increase in interest rates would essentially make the US Gov insolvent on it's debts and may cause immediate catastrophic asset price deflation (maybe this is what you're getting at). Joseph Yang also makes a strong argument that in this economic environment raising the Fed fund rate would actually increase the M2 money supply rather than decreasing it. So raising interest rates may be counterproductive.

So now we have an environment with decreased supply of goods / services, increased money supply and the only thing the government knows how to do is print more money (increase M2) and raise regulations (decrease supply of goods / services). It's very possible asset prices will crash / go into a deflationary environment in the nearish future, but consumer prices will likely experience 10-20%+ year over year inflation for the next few years, even if asset prices crash.

If you're talking asset prices (homes etc.), then yes, that may crash due to deflation. But consumer prices? We're looking at long-term sustained super-inflation.

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