That's exactly right. Going to the moon was really expensive and those missions used the Saturn V rocket - the biggest rocket ever launched by the US - which they stopped making in the 1970s. The space shuttle was not capable of reaching the moon - it was billed as a cheap, reusable system for low earth orbit and it ended up being super expensive and time consuming to refurbish (not to mention dangerous). This decision caused NASA to no longer have a moon-capable rocket for humans.
Since the shuttle program ended they've been working on their next moon-capable rocket, the Artemis rocket, but it is years overdue and overbudget and is already outdated compared to the Starship being tested by SpaceX.
Kennedy set a goal for going to the moon in 1961-- allegedly the goal was achieved 8 years later. 60 years later and going back is now a 10+ year project (I'm betting more like never). What other industrial/ technological endeavor has ever been harder to repeat with the benefit of more technology?
It's going to take us longer to re-invent the big fucking rocket from 60 years ago than it did to invent it in the first place? Why should anyone accept this?
I'm sure other people can explain it better than I can, but building a rocket that can take humans to the moon (or mars) is really expensive and requires a lot of trial and error to get it right. The government is incredibly inefficient and NASA has become more motivated to ensure safety (and avoid bad PR) rather than getting results. What they accomplished in the 60's was done by a completely different organization than today's NASA (just look at how the rest of gov't has changed).
It is going to take longer this time than it did in the 60's because of the politics. Every time a new president is elected, he has changed NASA's objectives for the next 4 - 8 years, making it hard to get to the finish line of a big project.
That's why my real interest is in what SpaceX is doing. They're much faster at prototyping and testing. They've launched (and blown up) quite a few Starships already and are far ahead of any other space org.
https://imgur.com/NEjPm6t
Did Bezos have the capsule wiped clean before the camera people started filming the capsule up close? Did they also dry it off after cleaning it?
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Astro naught.
NASA are nothing but scammers, even Trappist 1 is not a new discovery, but comes once every millennium. With the Pioneer Plaque they are making fun of humanity and calling them dumb. They secretly tell you the truth, but the moon landing is not one of them.
The masses like the world fantasy and bullshit more than the truth. Space X is most likely to defend Earth from meteorites due to Trappist 1 which would have most likely left many laying around in space.
Trappist 1 also took Pluto away, they pretend it's still there but delisted it as a planet, knowing eventually humanity will forget about it. Once again, more lies, Pluto is gone for the next 1,000 years until Trappist 1 returns.
Guy… you REALLY believe that? Like take a step back and meditate on it… in a world where every other technology advances forward, that’s the One that regresses ?
It hasn't regressed, they've made advances in rocket technology. The problem is that a rocket is a very complex system that has to get every variable correct or else something very bad happens to the rocket. It's not like they can just rebuild old designs from the 1960s... the fabrication techniques they used then don't exist anymore.
So are you saying that something built in the 1960s, without the aid of design and simulation software we have now, without the current advancement of material fabrication and chemical synthesis is not possible now?
If they done it in 8 years back then, they can at least do it again from scratch in say 5 years? They do not have to reuse any old blueprints! Everything is so much easier and quicker to build nowadays.
The only reason you won't accept it is cognitive dissonance.
I think we are in agreement. They could do it if they redesigned the rocket using modern engineering techniques. I don't think they could take an old design and build it today, though. Especially not quickly or cheaply.
As for how long it would take to redesign and build an old rocket, I have no idea. NASA doesn't seem motivated to do anything quickly these days. I think they opted for a new design (SLS/Artemis) with more flexibility for advanced missions, not just to the moon, but to Mars as well.
That's exactly right. Going to the moon was really expensive and those missions used the Saturn V rocket - the biggest rocket ever launched by the US - which they stopped making in the 1970s. The space shuttle was not capable of reaching the moon - it was billed as a cheap, reusable system for low earth orbit and it ended up being super expensive and time consuming to refurbish (not to mention dangerous). This decision caused NASA to no longer have a moon-capable rocket for humans.
Since the shuttle program ended they've been working on their next moon-capable rocket, the Artemis rocket, but it is years overdue and overbudget and is already outdated compared to the Starship being tested by SpaceX.
Kennedy set a goal for going to the moon in 1961-- allegedly the goal was achieved 8 years later. 60 years later and going back is now a 10+ year project (I'm betting more like never). What other industrial/ technological endeavor has ever been harder to repeat with the benefit of more technology?
It's going to take us longer to re-invent the big fucking rocket from 60 years ago than it did to invent it in the first place? Why should anyone accept this?
I'm sure other people can explain it better than I can, but building a rocket that can take humans to the moon (or mars) is really expensive and requires a lot of trial and error to get it right. The government is incredibly inefficient and NASA has become more motivated to ensure safety (and avoid bad PR) rather than getting results. What they accomplished in the 60's was done by a completely different organization than today's NASA (just look at how the rest of gov't has changed).
It is going to take longer this time than it did in the 60's because of the politics. Every time a new president is elected, he has changed NASA's objectives for the next 4 - 8 years, making it hard to get to the finish line of a big project.
That's why my real interest is in what SpaceX is doing. They're much faster at prototyping and testing. They've launched (and blown up) quite a few Starships already and are far ahead of any other space org.
https://imgur.com/NEjPm6t Did Bezos have the capsule wiped clean before the camera people started filming the capsule up close? Did they also dry it off after cleaning it?
No Astronauts Should Apply
Astro naught.
NASA are nothing but scammers, even Trappist 1 is not a new discovery, but comes once every millennium. With the Pioneer Plaque they are making fun of humanity and calling them dumb. They secretly tell you the truth, but the moon landing is not one of them.
The masses like the world fantasy and bullshit more than the truth. Space X is most likely to defend Earth from meteorites due to Trappist 1 which would have most likely left many laying around in space.
Trappist 1 also took Pluto away, they pretend it's still there but delisted it as a planet, knowing eventually humanity will forget about it. Once again, more lies, Pluto is gone for the next 1,000 years until Trappist 1 returns.
I like the bit about blue origin... that capsule is suspiciously clean!
I've never heard of Trappist 1, so I'm not sure what dots you're connecting there...
Guy… you REALLY believe that? Like take a step back and meditate on it… in a world where every other technology advances forward, that’s the One that regresses ?
It hasn't regressed, they've made advances in rocket technology. The problem is that a rocket is a very complex system that has to get every variable correct or else something very bad happens to the rocket. It's not like they can just rebuild old designs from the 1960s... the fabrication techniques they used then don't exist anymore.
So are you saying that something built in the 1960s, without the aid of design and simulation software we have now, without the current advancement of material fabrication and chemical synthesis is not possible now?
If they done it in 8 years back then, they can at least do it again from scratch in say 5 years? They do not have to reuse any old blueprints! Everything is so much easier and quicker to build nowadays.
The only reason you won't accept it is cognitive dissonance.
I think we are in agreement. They could do it if they redesigned the rocket using modern engineering techniques. I don't think they could take an old design and build it today, though. Especially not quickly or cheaply.
As for how long it would take to redesign and build an old rocket, I have no idea. NASA doesn't seem motivated to do anything quickly these days. I think they opted for a new design (SLS/Artemis) with more flexibility for advanced missions, not just to the moon, but to Mars as well.