I'm going to devil's advocate against his position:
You're right, mRNA treatments are not traditional vaccines and work against repository infections in a novel way. We would not expect the same patterns of infection as with smallpox or mumps.
This paper suggests ADE does not occur in CoVs because it infects respiratory epithelium, not macrophages.
The mRNA data demonstrates efficacy. Of 44,486 evaluable participants (50% in each cohort), irrespective of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection, 81 COVID-19 cases were observed among vaccine and 873 among placebo recipients.
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I'll stop there. I'm not trying to personally argue against the venerable doctor - I am in agreement with him, but I am just constructing the sort of rebuttal he is up against by trying to use facts and logic.
That article's abstract you cite specifically warns again VAH (vaccine hypersensitivity reactions). Sort of similar concern as ADE. There are plenty of papers that cite ADE as a valid concern, including those reposed at the NIH! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7645850/
And establishing efficacy that way is most shady. Unless you have a well conducted blind trial where a ten thousand are given the vax and ten thousand are giving saline of the exact same population and you look back six months later I'm not buying it. Too much shady stuff with data manipulation and whatnot to believe anything taken from population data at this point.
Well the one link you posted talks about dengue but there were specific animal trials on SARS vaccines and they all lead to ADE/pathogenic priming that caused severe disease and death when the animals were challenged with the wild virus post vaccination.
https://insight.jci.org/articles/view/123158 (Anti–spike IgG causes severe acute lung injury by skewing macrophage responses during acute SARS-CoV infection, pathogenic priming)
There’s also this major vaccine shill/doc/“expert” talking about the ADE that happened with the SARS vaccine trials in animals:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/fmOV0vQcK6NJ (DR. PETER HOTEZ ON WHY EARLIER DEVELOPMENT OF CORONAVIRUS VACCINES WAS STOPPED)
The efficacy of the vaccines is skewed - for relative risk reduction you may have the 90-95% effectiveness they claim (and one could argue against that based on how they tracked efficacy - only 8 weeks were patients followed remember), however absolute risk reduction in sars-COV-2 is less then 1%.
I agree with much of what the doctor said, but I think the risk of a very deadly variant emerging from the "vaccinated" population far outweighs the concern of worse symptoms in a "vaccinated" individual as a result of ADE.
The following link is supposedly a rebuttal by an aspiring physician (assuming the blog is actually real). The first 14 blog posts appear to have been on November 1, 2020 and the blogger seems too prolific to be one individual out to "deplatform" viruses. To be frank, that blog looks to me like pro-vaccine propaganda for educated people and gets higher google placement than one would expect.
I have no biological expertise to draw this conclusion but for
He then argues that masks don’t work because viruses are small enough to pass through them. The problem with this reasoning is viruses do not travel as individual viral particles- they are inside the aerosols and droplets. That’s what the masks block.
"Aerosol droplet lands on mask, dries, virus gets inhaled"
sounds plausible to me
His source for mask efficacy has multiple sources which conclude single digit % reductions. And the only one with a blind test concluded "no effect".
If we take the vx vs palcebo study I linked then maximally reduces the transmission chance from 4% to 3.6%.
This sort of comment is so important. We need to constantly "check" ourselves and eachother whenever we can, otherwise we risk falling into an echo chamber. I don't know anything that you just said, but it shows me theres a TON more I need to educate myself on
I'm going to devil's advocate against his position:
You're right, mRNA treatments are not traditional vaccines and work against repository infections in a novel way. We would not expect the same patterns of infection as with smallpox or mumps.
This paper suggests ADE does not occur in CoVs because it infects respiratory epithelium, not macrophages.
The mRNA data demonstrates efficacy. Of 44,486 evaluable participants (50% in each cohort), irrespective of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection, 81 COVID-19 cases were observed among vaccine and 873 among placebo recipients.
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I'll stop there. I'm not trying to personally argue against the venerable doctor - I am in agreement with him, but I am just constructing the sort of rebuttal he is up against by trying to use facts and logic.
That article's abstract you cite specifically warns again VAH (vaccine hypersensitivity reactions). Sort of similar concern as ADE. There are plenty of papers that cite ADE as a valid concern, including those reposed at the NIH! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7645850/
And establishing efficacy that way is most shady. Unless you have a well conducted blind trial where a ten thousand are given the vax and ten thousand are giving saline of the exact same population and you look back six months later I'm not buying it. Too much shady stuff with data manipulation and whatnot to believe anything taken from population data at this point.
Well the one link you posted talks about dengue but there were specific animal trials on SARS vaccines and they all lead to ADE/pathogenic priming that caused severe disease and death when the animals were challenged with the wild virus post vaccination.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589909020300186 (Pathogenic priming likely contributes to serious and critical illness and mortality in COVID-19 via autoimmunity)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382 (Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus)
https://insight.jci.org/articles/view/123158 (Anti–spike IgG causes severe acute lung injury by skewing macrophage responses during acute SARS-CoV infection, pathogenic priming)
There’s also this major vaccine shill/doc/“expert” talking about the ADE that happened with the SARS vaccine trials in animals: https://www.bitchute.com/video/fmOV0vQcK6NJ (DR. PETER HOTEZ ON WHY EARLIER DEVELOPMENT OF CORONAVIRUS VACCINES WAS STOPPED)
The efficacy of the vaccines is skewed - for relative risk reduction you may have the 90-95% effectiveness they claim (and one could argue against that based on how they tracked efficacy - only 8 weeks were patients followed remember), however absolute risk reduction in sars-COV-2 is less then 1%.
I agree with much of what the doctor said, but I think the risk of a very deadly variant emerging from the "vaccinated" population far outweighs the concern of worse symptoms in a "vaccinated" individual as a result of ADE.
The following link is supposedly a rebuttal by an aspiring physician (assuming the blog is actually real). The first 14 blog posts appear to have been on November 1, 2020 and the blogger seems too prolific to be one individual out to "deplatform" viruses. To be frank, that blog looks to me like pro-vaccine propaganda for educated people and gets higher google placement than one would expect.
Addressing Dr. Daniel Stock’s Claims https://www.deplatformdisease.com/blog/addressing-dr-daniel-stock-claims
I have no biological expertise to draw this conclusion but for
"Aerosol droplet lands on mask, dries, virus gets inhaled"
sounds plausible to me
His source for mask efficacy has multiple sources which conclude single digit % reductions. And the only one with a blind test concluded "no effect".
If we take the vx vs palcebo study I linked then maximally reduces the transmission chance from 4% to 3.6%.
It's all so tiresome
The effectiveness of masks is vastly overstated in the mass media in order to get people to wear them. I'll take a couple of percentage points.
Also, I think the idea is reduce the spread from the wearer.
This sort of comment is so important. We need to constantly "check" ourselves and eachother whenever we can, otherwise we risk falling into an echo chamber. I don't know anything that you just said, but it shows me theres a TON more I need to educate myself on
We get enough of the propaganda from the MSM