Thanks to everyone that participated in the nomination thread, and thanks to u/Graphenium and u/clemaneuverers for the suggestion!
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Pinging you here so that an actually discussion can take place, in this thread dedicated to discussion, without the baggage of your earlier comments.
I don’t think they claim that viruses are dead cells, my understanding of their argument was that when cells in “diseased” tissue (aka tissue suffering toxicosis) die, the body, as part of its homeostatic “clean up operations”, collects this toxic refuse (poisonous substances, and rotting flesh), and bundles it up in what have heretofore been called “viruses”, to aid in flushing it from the body without spreading the waste around and causing further negative effects. This is the thesis of the video, and you will need to actually see their argument in order to have an informed discussion.
Regarding the claims about mold, I think they are just recontextualizing something that everyone acknowledges, which is that “rot” begins inside a dead (cell/animal), from the microflora naturally present which can now reproduce without the restraint normally imposed by a living beings immune system.
Hi fren, I'm not watching the video, but from your description it sounds like they are conflating necrosis/autophagy/apoptosis pathways with viruses. Viruses do exist and can induce cell death, but they do a ton of other cool stuff too.
(Used to be a virologist before I got a job that doesn't pay slave wages lol)
Huh well I think you could offer some really interesting insights and help elucidate if the subjects/specifics they advance have any practical or theoretical applications, I hope you check it out when you get a chance.
I'll get around to it eventually. But since I'm your alt now, maybe I've already seen it? ?
Oof. I got 10 minutes in and couldn't take it anymore. We could spend a year talking about all the reasons he is wrong.
Is there any specific point you found interesting? I'm happy to share my experience working with viruses and cells with you if you'd be into an alternate perspective.
Given your expertise, you might actually be able to answer a question that’s been pressing lately:
Are you caught up on the issue of “isolating” SARS CoV2? Especially the conspiracy angle, which is that only blended mixtures of genes have been recovered which get sequenced VIA a schematic of SARS CoV1? That’s covered in depth in the video near the mid point, basically what they’re doing could be done on any genetic sample, because they’re just re-ordering tiny segments into to match the overall pattern (like those portraits made of hundreds of smaller portraits selected by a computer to conform to the programmed color gradient instructions). Basically I’d appreciate your take on the question of “have we isolated this virus?” And the associated concerns.
I really think you should watch the whole thing, the first 10 minutes are like the abstract or the overview, where the video tells you in advance the (shocking, for sure) conclusions that will end up being drawn, but with none of the evidence yet. The topics of 1917 influenza research (and their inability to observe human to human transmission no matter how hard they tried) and also “terrain theory” as it has come to be known, which gets talked about in detail during the end of the doc are particularly interesting to me, but honestly I found myself going from more to less apprehension about the ideas as they were able to show the evidence behind the claims made at the start. Regardless, thanks
Classic shill tactic of burying my rebuttal, faggot.
Nah, I agree with you, sans flashlights lol
Mark is grapheniums alt
Haha.... nah, we have quite different philosophies on a number of things. Still frens tho
Rofl get help
Help by answering the question of viruses being dead cells instead of lying like a filthy cunt
They do. They then go into a spiel about mold development happening from inside, using a pile of strawberries molding from the bottom as the example. They then use this deliberately incorrect information to use as a logical fallacy, I don't care about specifically which, to superimpose that onto the incorrect notion of the video that viruses aren't real/come from inside. False equivalence I believe.
Same exact bullshit as saying a flashlight up your asshole on a beach at midnight proves the earth is flat. It's the same playbook. Wether wittingly or not, you use their playbook in shouting me down as a "non-believer" saying "just watch it" like "just shove a flashlight up your ass, brother."
You're literally just regurgitating what the video said while disregarding the fact they claim "viruses are dead cells"
Nobody fucking "acknowledges" it, asshole. I proved it's fucking wrong. Nobody "acknowledges" the earth is flat either you bad actor punk made flat earth faggot.
Replying “No.” and then changing the subject isn’t how one has a productive discussion
You can’t even repeat their arguments correctly much less argue cogently against them. It isn’t starting “from the bottom” dipshit, they argue that it starts INSIDE the dead/dying organism.
Re:everything else you spewed, I don’t normally say this but get help buddy, I think your environment has poisoned you and rotted away your ability to comprehend and discuss things like a person. This isn’t a video about flat earth, and given your obsession you honestly seem like a forum sliding shill.
How is that changing the subject? They claim viruses are dead cells. Which your dumbass tried to argue for and then say "no, they didn't say exactly what I just said" like a bitch
Hey, dumbass. I proved their fucking wrong. Mold spores don't form inside strawberries, asshole.
Says the flat earth faggot who constantly lies his ass off. What's the matter? Your momma didn't raise you right? Can't stand up like a man and speak plainly? You fucking weasel.
I really think you need help with your anger, whether that’s a joint a day or a lobotomy I can’t tell you. I can tell you that you haven’t contributed a useful thought to this board in what seems like months. You’ve spent over a day arguing with me about a movie you saw 10% of. You’re incapable of addressing their actual arguments so you just attack people instead, either the uploaders or the people here to discuss the video. I’m done responding until you can present a cogent argument, mainly one that isn’t taking the claims of the video and stuffing them into a context that doesn’t hold them, but actually attempting to discern the truth. In other words, watch the video or go shove a flashlight up your ass.