people who lived on the coast will likely have eaten a lot of fish.
people who lived on grassy plains will nomadically follow herds of big game.
but for the other 90% of the land mass (mountains and deserts), where fish & herds of game animals are not common / predictable, it's gong to be easier to find, collect and cultivate nuts, berries, mushrooms, fruit, lettuce leaves, grasses (wheats, rice, grains), gourds, etc.
and farmed animals need food -- i.e., nuts, berries, mushrooms, fruit, lettuce leaves, grasses (wheats, rice, grains), gourds, etc.
Not to mention - from an evolutionary perspective - freezers didn't commonly exist until but just ~a hundred years ago.
breaking news: meat spoils fast
milk? spoils super fast.
eggs? sure, on occasion we might find a nest with a newly laid egg or two. (rarely.) but a nomadic tribe is not going to haul a farm of chickens along with them.
i'm not saying "meat is bad". i'm just saying (From an evolutionary perspective) nuts, berries, mushrooms, fruit, lettuce leaves, grasses (wheats, rice, grains), gourds, etc. are going to be (generally) much more common / easier to obtain - for both nomadic and stationary peoples.
This evolutionary perspective predates the advent of agriculture, which is pretty recent, so the farming isn't necessarily applicable. Sure nuts and berries are easier to obtain, but animal fats were likely necessary for our brains to evolve the way they did, so someone (read: all common ancestors of humans) was able to get it done.
For instance, that other 90% of land mass you cite didn't have many people in the past. Most people needed to be very close to a source water because without being by water they would die and there weren't taps they could just turn on.
I feel like your post is condescending without providing real evidence, but I'll resist the temptation to chalk that up to a vegan diet.
It's not hard to plant seeds, sure. But are you suggesting ancient humans were planting and cultivating seeds as a main means of sustenance? Because that's the only way you could imply meat wasn't important for them, and that's not really how being a hunter-gatherer worked.
I like to think my initial statement was intellectually honest and not condescending, though perhaps you read it otherwise. I still maintain meat was important to humans from an evolutionary perspective which is an accepted belief even by most vegans. The human brain would not have evolved the way it did without animal fats.
Clearly this conversation will go nowhere, but now know some people think taunting the ability of another person to survive is not a condescending stance to take in a debate, so at least I learned something.
you might want to start rethinking your strategy, mate - seems you have underestimated the importance of a deep freezer in the process of preserving meats.
certainly it will depend on location.
people who lived on the coast will likely have eaten a lot of fish.
people who lived on grassy plains will nomadically follow herds of big game.
but for the other 90% of the land mass (mountains and deserts), where fish & herds of game animals are not common / predictable, it's gong to be easier to find, collect and cultivate nuts, berries, mushrooms, fruit, lettuce leaves, grasses (wheats, rice, grains), gourds, etc.
and farmed animals need food -- i.e., nuts, berries, mushrooms, fruit, lettuce leaves, grasses (wheats, rice, grains), gourds, etc.
Not to mention - from an evolutionary perspective - freezers didn't commonly exist until but just ~a hundred years ago.
breaking news: meat spoils fast
milk? spoils super fast.
eggs? sure, on occasion we might find a nest with a newly laid egg or two. (rarely.) but a nomadic tribe is not going to haul a farm of chickens along with them.
i'm not saying "meat is bad". i'm just saying (From an evolutionary perspective) nuts, berries, mushrooms, fruit, lettuce leaves, grasses (wheats, rice, grains), gourds, etc. are going to be (generally) much more common / easier to obtain - for both nomadic and stationary peoples.
try it:
start a farm in Romania. Or Idaho.
zero electricity.
zero hardware stores.
zero gunpowder.
zero gasoline.
zero vitamin c capsules.
you can have:
a house
a knife
a flint stone
100 seeds: nuts, berries, mushrooms, fruit, cabbage, grasses (wheats, rice, grains), gourds, roots (carrots, beats), etc.
100 chickens
...drop us a note in 5 years (if you're still alive), and let us know what your daily diet looks like :)
This evolutionary perspective predates the advent of agriculture, which is pretty recent, so the farming isn't necessarily applicable. Sure nuts and berries are easier to obtain, but animal fats were likely necessary for our brains to evolve the way they did, so someone (read: all common ancestors of humans) was able to get it done.
For instance, that other 90% of land mass you cite didn't have many people in the past. Most people needed to be very close to a source water because without being by water they would die and there weren't taps they could just turn on.
I feel like your post is condescending without providing real evidence, but I'll resist the temptation to chalk that up to a vegan diet.
not hard to plant some seeds, mate.
takes one to know one.
and what "evidence" have you provided?
none.
opinion isn't evidence.
It's not hard to plant seeds, sure. But are you suggesting ancient humans were planting and cultivating seeds as a main means of sustenance? Because that's the only way you could imply meat wasn't important for them, and that's not really how being a hunter-gatherer worked.
I like to think my initial statement was intellectually honest and not condescending, though perhaps you read it otherwise. I still maintain meat was important to humans from an evolutionary perspective which is an accepted belief even by most vegans. The human brain would not have evolved the way it did without animal fats.
Clearly this conversation will go nowhere, but now know some people think taunting the ability of another person to survive is not a condescending stance to take in a debate, so at least I learned something.
agreed
"main" by food volume, yes.
I like to think my statements were intellectually honest and not taunting, though perhaps you read it otherwise.
i would not suggest a pure vegan diet for longer than 3 months - not unless you are a nutritionist (most people have no clue).
on the other hand, eggs for breaky once a week is entirely sufficient.
smoked meat lasts for 4 days
cured chicken lasts up to 2 weeks in the refrigerator
you might want to start rethinking your strategy, mate - seems you have underestimated the importance of a deep freezer in the process of preserving meats.