You make a good point, I overlooked the block function.
Yeah exactly, missing most of January. I appreciate your input too, these are the sort of challenges we should be raising. It's made me all the more interested to revisit this data after the new year.
Those first two comments are in response to a post titled
I'll just come out and say it because I don't give a fuck. Even if COVID was as bad or worse than it is presented and literally everyone over the age of 60 will die in the next 2 years. I don't give a fuck. It's not worth destroying the world for every single other person on the planet.
Which included the text
I''ll be 40 in 2 years and if you told me that everyone would die at 40 (instead of the number I used in the headline) then I would still be okay with it if it meant my kids (and everyone else's) could not wear masks, touch and see people during their lives.
You know why? Because I am not a selfish piece of shit.
https://conspiracies.win/p/11R4ulXhbd/ill-just-come-out-and-say-it-bec/
I don't think I was being emotionally manipulative, I think I was directly responding to the content of OP's post.
Can we at least agree that OP's post is wrong and based on flawed analysis of the data?
I don't care if my opinions are popular, I'm here to discuss conspiracies. I don't see anything wrong with the first two quotes, particularly in the context of the post I made them on. And the latter was literally in response to all the death wishes...
What exactly is your point? That I'm not a stereotypical conspiracy theorist?
The data at your second link (from OP) does not include most of January
Week ending 2/1/2020 to 12/19/2020.*
If you read the threads I linked to you will see this explained.
This source is wrong. I ran the CDC numbers myself (if you don't believe me, you can too!): https://conspiracies.win/p/11R4ufrAqE/x/c/4Drud8p9ej2?d=50
Further discussion here: https://conspiracies.win/p/11R4zMXmse/total-usa-deaths-are-up-by-over-/
I'll get downvoted for sharing this, but these are just facts and basic math. If you don't believe me, please run the numbers yourself and share your results.
Sorry I don't understand what you're referring to. These numbers I posted are total deaths from all causes for the first 47 weeks of each year (because that's all that was available for 2020 at the time I compiled them).
This thread is literally on a post about how to improve the site...
The irony is thick.
I like how quickly you changed your mind and decided death wishes like this are an appropriate response.
Icing on the cake is that you were too lazy to even click the link before accusing me of misrepresenting the data.
I'm really impressed with this community so far.
Dude, check the link. It is TOTAL DEATHS ALL CAUSES. I know the link says "flu" in it, but if you actually click on it and check the data it is TOTAL DEATHS ALL CAUSES.
I did not ignore him, I responded to his claims, and when I asked for further clarification... then came the death threats.
Oh sorry, will edit to clarify.
Is what from reddit? I'm not on reddit, I was never a part of the conspiracy reddit.
You really think that my comments are anywhere remotely comparable to his?
This is a major poster here, btw, a real stand-up member of the community. https://conspiracies.win/u/deinstantiator/
I assume that study attributes unemployment deaths to stress. I think everyone can agree 2020 was stressful
Yeah that's my understanding, and I agree. 300k+ seems like a lot to attribute to increased stress alone, but it certainly must be a factor.
Yeah, it was somewhat infuriating to find and pull the data I needed from that site :)
Fair enough, I agree that it would be best to compare full years, I'll revisit this after the year is over.
Yeah that's totally fair, definitely top of mind for me too. But I've seen a few posts here recently that used CDC data in support so figured I'd look into it.
Hmm, interesting. I hadn't heard this particular number before, but makes sense that unemployment would lead to more deaths.
Looks like Wade Thomas, the author of that original study (from 1981), isn't confident that it would hold up today, as stated earlier this year:
I would hesitate to extrapolate from the old estimates of corporate flight as a means of quantifying present circumstances, there are too many variables involved now to assert definitive cause and effect between unemployment and the litany of health consequences cited in the 1981 study.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/explaining-the-link-between-unemployment-deaths-amid-coronavirus/
But definitely worth considering. The original study attributed over half of the increased deaths to heart attacks, so if it holds we may be able to find some evidence in heart attack death rates for 2020.
This coming from the guy who says...
Let me be crystal clear: It is my sincerest hope that next year's excess death statistics comes from people like you lying in the streets with your insides on your outsides, next to your families and everyone you hold near and dear.
I look forward to seeing you disemboweled in a .webm on the darkweb.
I hope you die. Literally. You and everyone like you. I hope you die. Painfully. Publicly. I hope examples are made of you. And your family. And your friends.
I hope you are strung up from bridges and your corpses set on fire.
...off the rails indeed
Not scared, just not something I care to deal with when I'm trying to have interesting discussions. If you're into that sort of behavior and being part of such a community, then great, this is the place for you.
Ya know, it's just a bit exhausting to go somewhere looking for civil discussion and get loads of racist death threats in return. Clearly this community isn't going to police itself in that regard, so what else is there but moderation?
On the other hand maybe it's fine, maybe this just isn't a place for people looking to have adult conversations.
It would be nice to have some community standards around how we treat each other. I shouldn't have to put up with shit like this just because someone can't handle an adult discussion about statistics.
Let me be crystal clear: It is my sincerest hope that next year's excess death statistics comes from people like you lying in the streets with your insides on your outsides, next to your families and everyone you hold near and dear.
I look forward to seeing you disemboweled in a .webm on the darkweb.
I hope you die. Literally. You and everyone like you. I hope you die. Painfully. Publicly. I hope examples are made of you. And your family. And your friends.
I hope you are strung up from bridges and your corpses set on fire.
Edit: I wasn't clear where these were quoted from, but they're from this site. The author is major contributer here: https://conspiracies.win/u/deinstantiator/
I don't think a single person (besides me) has downvoted any of the comments I posted. Some people have upvoted them. I think it's disingenuous to pretend that the community as it stands today will not encourage this sort of toxic, unproductive behavior. On the contrary, I think a lot of people here approve of comments like these.
If "echo chamber" means a community of people who focus on discussing conspiracies like adults and communicating respectfully with one another, then that sounds pretty good to me.