Transcript part 3.

No archaeological evidence has been found to authenticate the vast American empire described in the book of Mormon and yet archaeology has been able to prove the existence of all great civilizations including those of biblical times for instance these coins mentioned in the Bible the Shekel the dram the widows might have all been found in abundance. What do we find when we look at the book of Mormon? In Alma the 11th chapter verses 5 through 19 is a listing of the coinage of the period of time that was used by these people it lists the sea nine of gold the sean of gold the shem of gold they had lesser coins the shiblam the shiblam the leah need to be said at this point that not one of these coins has ever been found. Many people do not understand the book of Mormon this is a history of the people that inhabited the American continent north south and central America from about 600 BC to about 420 AD and we have much evidence of course of people having lived there. I am led to believe from my research that this is not an actual story but is a fairytale much like Alice in Wonderland. Decades of searching by Mormon archaeologists have failed to uncover one scrap of evidence regarding the people or the places or the events in the book of Mormon. And Mormon missionaries throughout the world are converting people to the Mormon church by explaining to them that archaeology has proven the book of Mormon to be true. One of the Mormon churches standard works of scripture is called the pearl of great price. In this is the book of Abraham that Joseph Smith claimed was translated from some papyrus fragments that he purchased from an Egyptologist traveling through the area. And by 1842 with no knowledge of the Egyptian language he translated that into what is called the book of Abraham that manuscript disappeared until 1967. It is now resurfaced. Several famous Egyptologists have now looked at it, translated it and have found that it doesn't have anything to do with the time of Abraham at all. Joseph Smith did not get right even one word in this whole translation. In fact, he took one little letter that looks like a backwards E and translated it into over seventy-six words with seven names. Well, there are certain things that are embarrassing to the church. It never ceases to amaze me the number of intelligent people that are in the Mormon church that still accept things that cannot be substantiated. They get so locked in that they're afraid to even take another look. We've run into many times where they have admitted that rather than sit down and study with us they'll accept what their church leaders tell them. The Mormon church has a living prophet whose very words can override biblical scriptures or any previous Mormon writing. For example, prophet Spencer W. Kimball amidst increasing social pressure recently had a divine revelation which enabled him to lift the curse off blacks who up until then had been considered by the Mormon church to be low in their habits, inferior in their looks, mischievous, treacherous and generally deprived of intelligence. Prophet Brigham Young had previously stated that any Mormon marrying a Negro would be killed on the spot and that this sacred law must never change. I read in a Mormon publication an article by the current prophet of the church where he described his power as the president of the church and in it he was saying that he was basically the liaison between man and god. We believe that the most important prophet to us is the present prophet so when he speaks as a prophet we believe that it is as though the Lord was speaking. The finality of the Mormon theology is not based upon evaluation by scriptural evidence but based entirely upon a burning in the bosom. The Mormon scriptures tell you that that's what you must seek. When the Mormon missionaries come to your home they'll talk to you about the Book of Mormon, they'll talk about the prophet Joseph Smith and when they're done they'll ask you to pray about it and to seek that divine burning in the bosom that they have and that this will prove to you that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God that the Book of Mormon is really scripture and so it becomes a subjective evaluation. Scripture is not to be tested. They would encourage us then to read the Book of Mormon, nothing in the Bible but to read various sections of the Book of Mormon and to pray about it we might know it was true. When we discuss these things with Mormons some will say I don't care if every prophecy of Joseph Smith is proven wrong, I have a burning in my bosom that I know that the church is true. I'll say have you tested him, I'm not going to test him, I have that burning in my bosom. It's that total and complete trust in anything Mormon. What you are seeing is an authentic first time ever on film reenactment of secret Mormon temple ceremonies that even most Mormons have never seen and those who have have sworn ever to reveal these secrets under penalty of death. The execution of the penalty is represented by placing the right thumb under the left ear drawing the thumb quickly across the throat to the right ear and dropping the hand to the side. All of us who have been through the temple of sworn solemn oaths consenting to having our throat slit and our heart and our vitals thrown out. The execution of the penalty is represented by drawing the thumb quickly across the body and dropping the hands to the side. In the Mormon temple marriage, the partners are sealed to each other for time and all eternity in mason-like rituals and without this ceremony, no one can enter the presence of Joseph Smith and become a god. Hey, lay air. Brother Pratt, having authority, I wash your preparatory the receiving your anointing's foreign in behalf of John Kimbell, who is dead that you may become clean from the blood and sins of this generation. Sister Bradford, I wash your preparatory or you receiving your anointing's foreign in behalf of Eliza Barrett, Eliza Barrett who is dead that you may become clean from the blood and sins of this generation. I wash your head that your brain and intellect may become clear and active. Your eyes that you may see clearly and discern between truth and error. Thousands of occultic ceremonies each day are performed for the dead so that they too can receive the benefits of Mormonism. Mormons are encouraged to have encounters with the dead and it's not uncommon for demons impersonating the dead to appear to Mormons stating that they've been converted to the Mormon church in the spirit world and now what their family history traced. Your loins that you may be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth that you may have joy in your posterity. Your vitals and bowels that they may be strong and healthy and perform their proper function. You're impressed that it may be the receptacle of pure and virtuous principles. Our living prophet has told us there are three purposes of the church. One is to proclaim the gospel that we've talked about, the others to perfect the lives of the saints and the third is to redeem the dead. Consequently we're actively engaged in doing research work of mains and places of birth dates of our families as well as all other mortals that we possibly can. Our unique characteristic which sets apart the Mormon church from all other major religions is its fanatical program to evangelize the dead and because of this. The Mormon church operates the largest genealogical center in the world, complete with a staff of over 600 who sought and catalog incoming census roles, church registers, wills and deeds. This information is transferred to microfilman stored here 20 miles outside Salt Lake City. I do the research and then I take their names to the temple and have them baptized and have them sealed in the house of the Lord as family units. When a Mormon goes through the temple to receive his endowments he's given a pair of this holy Mormon underwear and he's instructed to wear it at all times. This garment is supposed to be all magical, all protective piece of material that will keep you from harm if you are living the gospel of the Latter-day Saints but I have to be frankly it's probably the most unattractive dehumanizing piece of material that can be worn. There are no statistics that prove that these temple garments have saved anybody from anything although Mormons circulate stories about how these garments because of their magical power have saved them from fiery deaths and all kinds of harm and action it. Or they go to the hospital and deliver babies and they refuse to have them taken off to the point of where a doctor has to come off in order to deliver a baby. After I'd helped my grandmother to bathe and helped round the tub we would dry the left leg, put the clean garment on the left leg and then and then only could she take off the garment from the right leg. The garment is supposed to be worn next to your skin and with your other undergarments on top of that as to protect your body. It's really just like wearing a rabbit's foot it's a superstition. Joseph Smith was heavily involved in the occult. He kept a seer stone that he used as a crystal ball to divine the location of hidden treasures and to translate the golden plates. In 1826 Joseph Smith was arrested and convicted for pretending to find buried treasure with that stone. These special markings in the temple garment make this a special amulet which is called a talisman. Here in Anton Lavey's satanic Bible under the section called infernal names I want to show you something. Here we have the god Mormo who is king of the ghouls god of the living dead and those people that follow him are called Mormons. That's just the kind of conclusion that we can't jump to it could be a coincidence except that Mormons are obsessed with genealogies and temple rites and rituals for the dead whom they believe can visit the living and who can convert to Mormonism even in the grave. In Chinese Mormon means gates of hell. That's why the Mormon missionaries have problems in Hong Kong for instance. They have to avoid using the word Mormon in trying to convert the Chinese. Dr. John L. Smith, author and expert on the vast wealth of the Mormon Church. The Mormon Church is the second largest financial institution west of the Mississippi River. The Mormon Church wields economic power more effectively than any other organized religion in the world. They own the 2.6 billion dollar beneficial life insurance company, the Deseret Management and Trust Corporation, hospitals, schools, apartment buildings, farms. They are a major stockholder in the LA Times. They own TV and radio stations, the ZCMI department store chain. They have vast land holdings with ownership in all 50 American states throughout Canada and Europe and on every continent. Two-thirds of their properties are tax exempt. Billions of dollars are extracted from church members each year through their mandatory tithing program. It's very difficult to tell what the Mormon Church actually owns. Someone has said that even the president of the Mormon Church may not know because they might have bought something yesterday or sold something today. The Mormons own a substantial portion of Hawaii. They are one of the major financial institutions of this area. When you go through the Polynesian Culture Center they offer you a tour over to their temple. And next to the Salt Lake Temple, the Hawaiian Temple receives the second largest number of visitors. They give you a film presentation of the Mormon Church and have you sign in. And then that name and address is forwarded to a missionary in the area that they are from. And soon after you return home from your visit to the temple in Hawaii you will receive a knot from the Mormon missionary asking you how you enjoyed your visit to the temple and would you like to know more about the church. Using it as a way to get in, to share with people the doctrine of Mormonism. The Mormons have many other ways of recruiting members through door-to-door missionaries, visitor centers. Thousands of church-sponsored Boy Scout troops in educational institutions and through the Mormon-controlled Marriott Hotel Chain which places Mormon literature in every room. And for all its talk of building an ideal society, Utah which is 75% Mormon, leads the nation in bankruptcy and stock fraud, and ranks among the highest in divorce, suicide, child abuse, teenage pregnancy, venereal disease, and bigger me. There are many people in the Mormon Church that are having trouble believing it. Many that are in it that don't really believe it at all. My son realized after about five or six months that he had made a mistake in joining the Mormon Church and one of the main things that made him realize that was the ridiculousness of the idea that the Mormons teach that you can become a God. I remember going to talk to the bishop just shortly before I decided to leave the church. And I asked him, I said, Bishop, where is the love in this church? And I sat with tears running down my eyes, asking him, I don't feel loved. We hear all of these things about love and how we're taking care of everybody and family home evening and all of these. But where's the love? Why don't I feel loved? And he just sat there looking at me like he didn't have a bit of feeling. The Mormonism undercuts the Bible and undercuts all the other churches so that the Mormon that starts to lose faith and Mormonism will usually feel there's nothing out there to look into.

Transcript part 2.

Fourteen hundred years later, a young treasure seeker named Joseph Smith, who was known for his tall tales, claimed to have uncovered these same gold plates near his home in upstate New York. He is now honored by Mormons as a prophet because he claimed to have had visions from the spirit world in which he was commanded to organize the Mormon Church, because all Christian creeds were an abomination. It was Joseph Smith who originated most of these peculiar doctrines which millions today believe to be true. By maintaining a rigid code of financial and moral requirements and through performing secret temple rituals for themselves and the dead, the Latter-day Saints hoped to prove their worthiness and thus become gods. The Mormons teach that everyone must stand at the final judgment before Joseph Smith, the Mormon Jesus, and Elohim. Those Mormons who were sealed in the eternal marriage ceremony expect to become polygamous gods in the celestial kingdom, rule over other planets, and spawn new families throughout eternity. The Mormons thank God for Joseph Smith, who claimed that he had done more for us than any other man, including Jesus Christ. The Mormons believe that he died as a martyr, shed his blood for us, so that we too may become gods. This gods from Kolav, it sounds like Von Dyneken or Battlestar Galactica, but we know it's bizarre. I know as a finite being I can never become an infinite God. It's a logical absurdity. That's when I stop believing it, but I couldn't get my wife to even talk about it. She had to divorce me and find another man that was working his way to Godhood, or she could not become a God. Are you saying that the Mormon Church pressures individuals into divorcing their spouses when they're not measuring up to the Church's standards, and also pressures them into marrying another spouse who is working for this Godhood? There's no doubt my motivation in all of this stems partly from my own personal experiences. I look back on my own life seeing a bishop counsel me to divorce my wife, seeing my five children whom I raised in the Mormon Church pulled from me, and spending all these years just trying to reestablish those relationships. I know literally hundreds of families whose stories like this could break your heart. Reagan Jolene divorced because of the Mormon Church, and have now remarried. He was raised Christian, and I was raised Mormon. We just had a very beautiful relationship, but it always came back to the Mormonism. I had to convert him in some way, and after two and a half years of really trying hard, I just couldn't do it, and I was advised to divorce him. Well, it became obvious to the Church leaders that my husband was not going to go along with the Church standards of the word of wisdom and had no desire to be active in the priesthood, and so they thought that it was perfectly fine and accessible and encouraged me to divorce my husband. The second visit to the counselor, he went over the things that we had told him, and he said, well, there are just some people that shouldn't be married. I couldn't imagine a bishop actively counseling for divorce. His job is to seek for ways in which the marriage partners can be reconciled. And yet in my case, my wife was advised by the bishop that we best to have for her to divorce me. There will be situations where, for reasons of incompatibility of one form or another, a divorce will become inevitable. But because we have such a firm belief in the family unit and the sanctity of family life, it would really be the end of the road and not something that was ever entered into in terms of a convenience. I went to my bishop, and he advised me that it would be better for me to live without him and to be a servant in Mormon heaven than to stay married to him. And here is a Church that teaches family unity, and they destroyed my marriage. Gentlemen, this isn't helping your case. These people have the religious freedom to believe anything they want to. But why should they have the freedom to break up families and destroy lives? The pressure on the Mormon women is incredible. They must be perfect. They swear a note of total obedience to the husband in the Mormon Temple. There's a whole area of psychiatric care dealing with the depression in the Mormon woman. I have a friend who is a nurse in the psychiatric ward, and she came to me and asked, why is it that there are so many Mormon women in my wing? What's the trouble? And I believe that it's simply because it is an impossibility to live up to the standards that are put upon these Mormon women. They must be perfect so that they can go to exaltation with their husbands. They don't even get out of the grave unless the husband calls them forth on the morning of the first resurrection. And if you do make it to celestial exaltation, heaven to the Mormon woman is being pregnant for all eternity, one spirit baby after the next. I came a point in my life as a Mormon woman that things were not going right at all. My whole time was spent in doing what the Mormon leaders had told me to do. In fact, I came to the point where I felt like live juice wasn't worth living anymore. Sandra Tanner, ex-Morman, author, researcher, considered to be one of the greatest living authorities on Mormonism. Utah has a higher than the national average rate of divorce. It has higher than the national average rate of suicide, especially teen suicide is much higher in Utah than it is nationally. This is partly due to the fact that Mormons emphasize perfection and so many of these young people feel defeated in their striving for Godhood. They can't measure up to everything the church is asking of them and it just so demolishes their self-esteem that they can't go on and so then they take their life. I always felt like I wasn't doing good enough in the eyes of God. I couldn't ask for a better brother than Cap. Gene and Perry Elias and father and brother of young Kip who committed suicide early in 1982 at the age of 16. Kip was almost the perfect son. He was a four-point student, capital high school. He was involved with the track team where he got the most inspirational track team member. Kip was my best friend and partner since his mother passed away when he was five years old. Last two years Kip was so busy with his other activities with the church that most of our outside activities came to a halt. More deeply Kip got involved with the church the more depressed he became so I sat down with Kip and would discuss this problem with him and to find out what was bothering him. That point he told me that he had feelings, sexual feelings that were in direct conflict with the teachings of the church. When Kip went to the LDS counselors they only reinforced the teachings of the church which just increased Kip's feelings of unworthiness. I know what Kip was going through I went to the same type interviews that he did. The pressure was great to strive for worthiness to be perfect all the time. The only problem is Kip took it a little too seriously. The Mormon church with its beautiful ads and the reader's digest would like us to believe that it's Christian through and through yet what the outsider sees is not what the insider sees and the Mormon church the book of Mormon itself calls the Christian body the whore of Babylon the temple ceremony mocks the Christian pastor calls him a harling of Satan. Once I got into the church I was asking questions and it wasn't the same it wasn't Christian as they had told my mom and myself it just wasn't right. We won the believes in Christ as a Christian and we believe that we are Christians above all other denominations because we have so much revealed information about our redeemer our Savior Jesus the Christ. Mormons are instructed to use Christian terminology when talking to potential converts words such as God Jesus and salvation all have different Mormon meanings which the outsider may not be aware of. Do you consider Mormonism Christianity? Yes I do we believe in God the eternal Father and in the Son of Jesus Christ and in the Holy Ghost. There are so many that have part of the gospel of Jesus Christ. We think the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has all of the gospel in its total fullness. Joseph Smith's first vision is the cornerstone of the Mormon church and yet there are nine versions each of which contradicts the other. One leaders are deliberately keeping from you the true history of their religion because they know you will have a hard time believing it's from God if you saw how it really was all put together. In the unpublished accounts we find that Joseph Smith first said it was just Jesus that appeared to him. The second time he wrote a story down a few years later he says many angels appeared to him then some years later he says that two beings appeared he changes the date he changes how old he is he changes the motivation why he went into the woods to pray he changes who was there and he changes what the message was that they gave him. So if he were giving us an actual account of a real experience we would assume he would have known the first time around whether it was God or Jesus if it was both of them what their message was and when it happened yet we find him redrafting this story well if you were a witness of an accident and someone asked you to tell about it if you gave three accounts as divergent as those three are people would say you couldn't have witnessed the event. The Mormon church keeps changing its scriptures the changes are incredible there are so many thousands of them recently they canonized the 137th section of the Doctrine and Covenants when I read this for the first time I recognized that they omitted over 200 words of the actual revelation as written by Joseph Smith why did the church omit the 200 words because they contain three blatantly false revelations prophecies of Joseph Smith. You know Joseph Smith said the moon was inhabited with people dressed like Quakers and living to be about a thousand years of age and Brigham Young seconded it when he said that the moon not only was inhabited but the sun was inhabited I believe some of the strongest anti-Mormon literature if you want to call it that is the actual publications of the Mormon church if I believe that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were prophets of the living God I'd have to be a polygamist the true doctrine teaches that there is no eternal life without a polygamist relationship. First Elmer Gere author lecturer outspoken ex-Mormon and great-granddaughter of convicted Mormon assassin John D. Lee sitting here by this fireplace I'm reminded of my great-grandfather John D. Lee who was Mormon pioneer a bodyguard for Joseph Smith and Brigham Young as they visited secretly their numerous polygamist wives I'm reminded that my great-grandfather had nineteen wives and sixty-four children. Emma Smith Joseph's wife is admonished in the same doctrine and covenants to be obedient to the call and to accept these otherwise of Joseph Smith or receive the penalty thereof. This diary tells how Joseph was sneaking around behind Emma's back to practice polygamy how he had to promise Emma he would give up all his plural wives just for her and yet he tells his friend that I had to tell Emma that but I didn't really mean it. Today in Utah there are approximately twenty five thousand polygamist marriages these people are the fundamentalist who believe that Brigham Young was a prophet of God and that this section of the DNC is true and that they cannot take away this eternal covenant with God by some law of the land. The Mormon Church has deliberately hidden the records of its early church leaders of the early documents their early publications from their members. Ron Pritis, business manager of the Seventh East Press, a newspaper published by young Mormon seeking reform in the church through exposing Mormon cover-ups. Some of the items that have brought the most attention to the paper are items of church history, theology and some of the dishonesty on the part of some of the administrators in dealing with students. There are so many things in the church records if they were open for public inspection it would tarnish this beautiful image that the church puts out the missionary comes to your door we have a beautiful story to tell you about families and they want to tell you what a glorious place this is to raise your children. The missionary isn't part of the cover-up he doesn't know this he has been told that everything will check out it's all a hundred percent true he thinks the records are open he doesn't even realize he couldn't go to Salt Lake and see these documents for himself. We're in the Christian faith week we find our scholars looking for earlier manuscripts always refining always going back to the earliest manuscripts to improve and validate the authenticity of the holy scripture in Mormonism it's completely the opposite. The leaders have to go back and rework re-write cover-up change delete add all the way through on all of their books their history their scriptures they suppress their diaries because these things show the confusion and the man made nature of the theology and the religion the book of Mormon claims to be an actual historical record translated from real plates that Joseph Smith unearthed in a hill in New York now if this is a genuine history one would assume you could study this just like you would study any historical book. Dr. Charles Crane author college professor expert on Mormon archaeology as we look at the book of Mormon we find it entirely different story instead of being an actual record of actual fact I have looked over maps checked archaeological information and I still am left to wonder where is the land of Zerhemla where is the valley of Nimrod where are the plains of Nefaha I have been unable to find a record of even one city as mentioned in the book of Mormon we turn to the book of Mormon we have nothing there is no Nephite language there are no Nephite cities there is not a map in any book of Mormon you cannot locate any site there is no evidence for the book and yet it's supposed to be a historical record. Dr. Richard Fales author lecturer archaeologist we have never excavated one single artifact that even remotely relates to this alleged civilization that the Mormons claim existed in the United States Central America and in South America.

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It looks beautiful from the outside, but when you peel off the mask and talk to the victims, you uncover another part of the story. The documented evidence you're about to see may seem unbelievable, but it's all true. When they took my family, there wasn't anything else to live for. I tried to kill myself. Thank God I didn't succeed. I think the most difficult part of this for me is that they've turned my own beautiful children against me. You know, the brainwashing techniques of this organization are really incredibly effective. On behalf of a growing number of victims, Ed Decker, together with Dick Baer themselves, victims of this powerful organization, consulted with a Los Angeles-based law firm about filing a class action lawsuit. Mr. Baer, Mr. Decker, just what are we dealing with here? We're dealing with a massive organization, a multi-billion dollar corporation whose wealth is worldwide and whose influence is staggering. I've got records of many, many homes that have been shattered by these people. I consider it to be one of the most deceptive and most dangerous groups in the entire world. I have documentation that ties it into the occult, into Satanism. Mr. Decker, I don't doubt your sincerity, but I find this very hard to believe. I mean, these people pride themselves in a sense of family togetherness and a very conspicuous form of moral rectitude. It's part of the incredible deception, and that's what we have to dig into, and we need to expose it. We need to open it up to the truth. Salt Lake City, Utah, Mecca of Mormonism. One of the wealthiest and fastest-growing religions with over 5 million members worldwide. To the outside world, the Mormon Church presents a carefully groomed, osmond family image. With an emphasis on family togetherness and inspiring history and high moral standards, the Mormon Church, also known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or LDS, turns out tens of thousands of missionaries a year whose goals are to spread Mormonism around the world. Most of them are trained here at Brigham Young University, also known as BYU. To most of us, Mormons appear to be real Christians who live their faith. Dr. Harold Goodman, BYU professor, former Mormon bishop, currently an LDS mission president. Well, the Church encourages the family to be as self-sustaining as possible in their activities, starting with the family home evening, where the father, who is the patriarch of the family, would gather his family together, and there they would have a prayer, an opening song or two. I looked out the window and what did I see. Popcorn popping on the apricot tree. We are very much a family-centered church because we believe that strong families make for a strong nation and strong nations make for a strong world. The Mormon Church has had a phenomenal growth. In the next 50 years, it will be approximated about 70 million people to 100 million people. There are many reasons why this is so. One is the vast missionary program we have over the world. Approximately right now, 28,000 missionaries and 186 missions. Thousands of early church members were recruited from Britain and brought over to supplement the Church in America during the 1830s. Mr. Brian Grant is the director of public relations for the Mormon Church in Great Britain and Ireland, where membership has increased a thousand percent in the last 20 years. I suppose everybody's idea of a Mormon missionary, those two dark young men who sort of ride around the town on bikes, knock on your door at an inopportune times. In actual fact, we have an increasing number of young women serving in the missionary field and also quite a lot of retired couples free of family responsibilities who feel that they too want to share the message of the gospel of Jesus Christ. So many people have joined the Church, I believe, because of the gospel principles that it gives understanding and enlightenment of who they are and who they were and what they may become. Jim and I came from very strong Christian families. We were introduced to Mormonism through a business partner, Jim's. I had always had this preconceived idea that a Mormon was somebody who went around dressed in black and had 16 wives, which was not true, of course. These people seem to be Christian. Any people that I had ever been around that were Christian, they had these same attributes. Just kind, good, loving people, family oriented, all the things they did revolved around their religion. People of the Mormon Church, they were all so friendly and they took me in by dances and all the different kids at school, they were all pushing me on saying, I'm so glad you're going to join the Mormon Church. They got me into the Church through their social program, which is fabulous, and the family atmosphere, which was, mine was broken up, therefore I went right to it. The youth certainly are the strength of the Church in the future, consequently, we hold classes for the youth on Sunday. We have athletic events for our youth, we have socials, where they would have fun games, and dances. Many of the social events, as well as regular church services, are held in the chapels which are being built at a rate of two per day around the world. However, the few dozen Mormon temples serve a completely different purpose. No church services are held here. Only secret ceremonies which are reserved for an elite few. The goal of every Latter-day Saint is to be married as a family unit in the house of the Lord, and there receive these sacred blessings that will allow us to eventually, if we're worthy, to dwell and be in the presence of our Heavenly Father. You know, not all members of the Church go to the temple, that may be something that would surprise you, but to gain admittance to the temple, one has to have what's called a temple recommend. He has to receive a satisfactory interview from his bishop and from his state president. There he's asked, or she has asked, certain rather penetrating questions about their worthiness, their morality. If he's a full tithe peer, that is the only way that we can be with our Heavenly Father. Otherwise, we could not be in his presence. By going through the temple and by adhering to various regulations, such as abstaining from tea or coffee, paying a substantial portion of your income to the Mormon Church, and giving free labor to various church-run organizations, the worthy Mormon can become a God himself in the life hereafter, ruling over his own planet with a number of goddess wives. So you can see why the temple is so important to the Latter-day Saint, because if he is worthy to go on to the temple, and there receive the sacred ordinances and covenants and keep them, he can eventually grow into becoming a God himself. Before this newly completed temple in Seattle was closed to all but a select group of Mormons, visitors were given the opportunity to get a glimpse inside. For many of these Mormons who came from thousands of miles away and stood for hours in the rain, this may be the only time they will ever be allowed to enter a Mormon temple. Tell me who God the Father is to you. He is like you and I, every human being on the face of the earth. So is he a man? Yes, he is. How did he get to be God? He is. Yeah, he is perfect in every way. So if we are perfect, can we become like God? Yes ma'am. You know, the Mormon gods and goddesses, as Joseph Smith taught, were once upon a time just mere humans, just like us, and they worked their way up to becoming gods. There are supposed to be billions of these highly evolved humanoids somewhere out in space overseeing their own planet. This sounds like science fiction or Greek mythology. Would you say that the average Mormon believes these things? Absolutely. Mm-hmm. Floyd C. McKelvin, author of the bestseller, The Mormon Illusion. They believe that God eternally progressed, that once he was a man and then he became God, from that comes their doctrine that all can progress to be gods. For instance, in Articles of Faith, they have this by Talmadge, that as man is, God wants wath, as God is, man may become. So their whole doctrine flows from this about becoming gods. Brothers and goddesses just won't fly in the jury or a gentleman, a jury feel a responsibility to be skeptical. You need to feed them information that has a taste of truth to it. And what you're telling us, I really don't think they're going to swallow it, do you? I did for 19 years. Again, you have to understand the peculiar belief evolving around the Mormon temple marriage. They believe that their Godhood is tied to eternal exaltations through the marriage and through the family unit. The Mormon church teaches that in order for me to become a goddess, I needed to marry a Mormon man in good standings with the church. And without a husband that could take me through the temple, I wouldn't be able to go to heaven and be with my Heavenly Father. According to Mormon theology, husbands and wives who have successfully achieved Godhood would be required to populate their own planet by procreating as many spirit children as possible. Ever since I was a little girl, I was taught that my primary purpose was to become a goddess in heaven so that I could multiply and earth. And I wanted that. I wanted to be eternally pregnant and look down on earth and say, that's mine and I populated that whole earth and all those little babies I had. To tell you the truth, I find it extremely difficult to believe that the Mormon attorneys and judges I know actually expect to become infinite gods, people in new worlds and engaging in celestial sex with their goddess wives. Why don't you ask them? Well, I would be embarrassed to be honest with you. And if it's true, as you've suggested, that these people do plan to reproduce themselves across the universe, well, I'd rather not know about it. We do business with these gentlemen. That's why it's such a secret. That's why even the Mormons don't talk about it. They're embarrassed by it, too. Look, Mormonism is based upon the belief that extraterrestrial humanoids from a star in a distant place called Kolob visited this earth, came down to this earth and visited a young boy, 14 year old boy by the name of Joseph Smith. We had a little animation done to show the difference between Mormonism and Christianity because Mormonism is so far removed from Orthodox Christianity. I'd like to show it to you for a moment if you don't mind. Mormonism teaches the trillions of planets scattered throughout the cosmos are ruled by countless gods who once were human like us. They say that long ago on one of these planets, to an unidentified god in one of his goddess wives, a spirit child named Elohim was conceived. This spirit child was later born to human parents who gave him a physical body. Through obedience to Mormon teaching and death and resurrection, he proved himself worthy and was elevated to godhood as his father before him. Mormons believe that Elohim is their heavenly father and that he lives with his many goddess wives on a planet near a mysterious star called Kolob. Here the god of Mormonism and his wives through endless celestial sex produced billions of spirit children. To decide their destiny, the head of the Mormon gods called a great heavenly council meeting. Both of Elohim's eldest sons were there, Lucifer and his brother Jesus. A plan was presented to build planet earth where the spirit children would be sent to take on mortal bodies and learn good from evil. Lucifer stood and made his bid for becoming savior of this new world. Warning the glory for himself, he planned to force everyone to become gods. Opposing the idea, the Mormon Jesus suggested giving man his freedom of choice as on other planets. The vote that followed approved the proposal of the Mormon Jesus who had become savior of the planet earth. Enraged, Lucifer cunningly convinced one-third of the spirits destined for earth to fight with him and revolt. Thus Lucifer became the devil and his followers the demons. Sent to this world, they would forever be denied bodies of flesh and bone. Those who remain neutral in the battle were cursed to be born with black skin. This is the Mormon explanation for the Negro race. The spirits that fought most valiantly against Lucifer would be born into Mormon families on planet earth. These would be the lighter skinned people, or white and delights them, as the Book of Mormon describes them. Early Mormon prophets taught that Elohim and one of his goddess wives came to earth as Adam and Eve to start the human race. Thousands of years later, Elohim and human form once again journeyed to earth from the star-based colon, this time to have sex with the Virgin Mary, in order to provide Jesus with a physical body. Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt taught that after Jesus Christ grew to manhood, he took at least three wives, Mary, Martha and Mary Magdalene. Through these wives, the Mormon Jesus, for whom Joseph Smith claimed direct descent, supposedly fathered a number of children before he was crucified. According to the Book of Mormon, after his resurrection, Jesus came to the Americas to preach to the Indians, who the Mormons believe are really Israelites. Perhaps the Jesus of Mormonism established his church in the Americas as he had in Palestine. By the year 421 A.D., the dark-skinned Indian Israelites, known as Lamanites, had destroyed all of the white Nephites in a number of great battles. The Nephite records were supposedly written on golden plates and buried by Morona, the last living Nephite in the hill Camora.

If it gets all thumbnailed, the thread title link is the full sized scrolling screenshot. 785 x 23137 pixels.

https://media.scored.co/post/DL0q44PXV9zg.jpeg

I didn't get into it with the devil worshipping with these guys.. cause haven't heard anybody claim it yet, like with the Mormons the other day. Just getting side-tracked, briefly wondering what their deal is.. gotta get back to the Mormon stuff.

But yeah.. how's anybody even a "witness" to anything.. when there's no scientific evidence about stuff. Only religion that has some is the devil worshippers where they at least get paranormal things going on. But then if you listen to these guys.. they hate the Christian stuff.. so there's your proof for them.

These guys do come off a bit like the Mormons though, eh.. there are some similarities. Like with the living a sober life.. and if you quit, family members can't hang out with you. At least you don't have to pay 10% of your damn paycheque.

Got this on the bookmarks bar to look into later once I'm done this Mormon stuff.

https://old.reddit.com/r/exjw/

Transcript:

[Music] Mormonism teaches that trillions of planets scattered throughout the cosmos are ruled by countless Gods who once were human like us they say that long ago on one of these planets to an unidentified God and one of his goddess wives a spirit child named Elohim was conceived this Spirit child was later born to human parents who gave him a physical body through obedience to Mormon teaching and death and Resurrection he proved himself worthy and was elevated to godhood as his father before him Mormons believe that Elohim is their heavenly father and that he lives with his many goddess wives on a planet near a mysterious star called [Music] K here the god of Mormonism and his wives through endless Celestial sex produced billions of spirit children to decide their Destiny the head of the Mormon Gods called a great Heavenly council meeting both of elohim's eldest Sons were there Lucifer and his brother Jesus a plan was presented to build planet Earth where the spirit children would be sent to take on Mortal bodies and learn good from Evil Lucifer stood and made his bid for becoming savior of this new world wanting the glory for himself he planned to force everyone to become Gods opposing the idea the Mormon Jesus suggested giving man his freedom of choice as on other planets the vote that followed approved the proposal of the Mormon Jesus who had become savior of the planet Earth enraged Lucifer cunningly convinced onethird of the spirits destined for Earth to fight with him in [Music] Revolt thus Lucifer became the devil and his followers the demons sent to this world they would forever be denied bodies of Flesh and Bone those who remain neutral in the battle were cursed to be born with black skin this is the Mormon explanation for the Negro race the spirits that fought most valiantly against Lucifer would be born into Mormon families on planet Earth these would be the lighter skinned people or white and delightsome as the Book of Mormon describes them early Mormon prophets taught that Elohim and one of his goddess wives came to Earth as Adam and Eve to start the human race thousands of years later Elohim in human form once again journeyed to Earth from the Starbase colon this time to have sex with the Virgin Mary in order to provide Jesus with a physical body Morman Apostle Orson Pratt taught that after Jesus Christ grew to manhood he took at least three wives Mary Martha and Mary Magdalene through these wives the Mormon Jesus for whom Joseph Smith claimed direct descent supposedly fathered a number of children before he was crucified Accord according to the Book of Mormon after his resurrection Jesus came to the Americans to preach to the Indians who the Mormons believe are really Israelites thus the Jesus of Mormonism established his church in the Americas as he had in [Music] Palestine [Music] by the year 421 ad the darkskinned Indian Israelites known as lamanites had destroyed all of the white Nephites in a number of great battles the Nephites records were supposedly written on Golden Plates and buried by morona the last living nephite in the hill kamora 1,400 years later a young treasure Seeker named Joseph Smith who was known for his Tall Tales claimed to have uncovered these same gold plates near his home in Upstate New York he is now honored by Mormons as a prophet because he claimed to have had Visions from the spirit world in which he was commanded to organize the Mormon church because all Christian Creeds were an Abomination it was Joseph Smith who orig inated most of these peculiar doctrines which Millions today believe to be true by maintaining a rigid code of Financial and moral requirements and through performing secret Temple rituals for themselves and the dead the Latter-Day Saints hope to prove their worthiness and thus become Gods the Mormons teach that everyone must stand at the final judgment before Joseph Smith the Jesus and Elohim those Mormons who were sealed in the Eternal Marriage ceremony expect to become polygamous gods in the Celestial Kingdom rule over other planets and spawn new families throughout eternity the Mormons thank God for Joseph Smith who claimed that he had done more for us than any other man including Jesus Christ the Mormons believe that he died as a martyr shed his blood for us so that we too may become gods

"elohim's eldest Sons were there Lucifer and his brother Jesus "

This is the full sized screenshot.. clicking the thread title.

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These numbers though.. it seems like the holocaust numbers phenomenon. Where.. all that goes on is the corrupt, Luciferian media who reports numbers, to cause whatever after. Sounds like a lot less work.

Watching that ex-vampire 9 hour interview. They had a screenshot of this. I check the website, doesn't connect. Wayback.. this is from 2004.

https://web.archive.org/web/20040420021351/http://www.stopchildrape.info/coreofrape.html

Before it starts there's text saying more info at exvampire.com. That doesn't connect but checking wayback.. loads it up, last from 2019.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190209102422/http://www.exvampire.com/aboutthemovie.php

About the movie

NINE HOURS LONG!

Forbidden Knowledge, Occult Rituals, Secret Priesthoods, Spells, Luciferian Initiation, Illuminism, Ceremonial Magick, Vampirism.

This was his world : Adept, Occultist, Satanic Priest, Black Magician, Vampire.

Lured into the occult with the quest for knowledge, this nine hour video chronicles the life of an adept in service to the darkest powers of planet earth until saved from a horrible fate.

Discover the preparation, initiation and the "bringing over" of the initiate into the world of vampirism. (Note: This is about TRUE vampirism. Not just the kind of people who pretend to be vampires by drinking blood ). The other-worldly initiation by a being of immense power that claimed him for its own. The reality of vampires and werewolves and the positions they hold in the dark world of the occult. The secret priesthood that helped him survive. The lust and hunger of the true vampire and how it destroys its victims. And much, more more!

Also covering: the Illuminati, Satanism, Mormonism, Christianity, Roman Catholism, Freemasonry, plus more that will blow your SOCKS off, and keep you to the edge of your seat. If you have family connections to any of these groups, or are being affected by black magick, then this DVD series is a must-have!

Containing secret, first-hand information that has never before been revealed to the public.

Warning: This feature contains some descriptions of sexuality, and violence and is not suitable for younger viewers.

This is a true story. Produced and directed by Michael Relfe, interview by Stephanie Relfe B.Sc. (Sydney)

Cannes 2006 Film Festival: See Our Booth

Note: The images on the front and back of the DVD are from actual photos of Bill when he was a vampire.

NOW AVAILABLE: TRANSCRIPTS!

Looking around for where I saw this the other day.. about they get so high up in the levels where.. he had a choice to become either a vampire or a werewolf. Like.. occult stuff.. wouldn't surprise me. Looked around for it..

Was this in google..

Freemason Has A Choice to Become A Vampire or A ...

TikTok https://www.tiktok .com › Discover 7 days ago — Freemason Has A Choice to Become A Vampire or A Werewolf. Explore the intriguing choice for Freemasons: to become a vampire or a werewolf ...

But when you click that.. couldn't find it. Search for that title phrase.. nothing.

Kept looking around.. found the page where I saw that the other day.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/William_Schnoebelen

Born to a Catholic family, Schnoebelen claims to have become a Wiccan after writing to Alex Sanders.[4] According to Schnoebelen's version of events, a spirit guide encouraged him to read Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible; he joined the Church of Satan, but decided that it wasn't hardcore enough and so joined an altogether darker Satanic cult: the Freemasons.[5]

After rising through the ranks of Masonry (he claims to have been a "90th degree" Freemason[6][note 1]), Schnoebelen claims that he made a deal with Satan himself. After signing a deal in blood, Schnoebelen was given seven years' worth of funky superpowers on the condition that, at the end of the period, he would be killed and sent to party on forever in Hell. He claims to have considered this a win-win situation. His spirit guides then helped him to join the Illuminati, where he was able to speak with the spirits of people such as Jesus, Adolf Hitler, and Aleister Crowley. At around this time he also had sex with a fallen angel.[5]

Schnoebelen later became a Catholic priest — the Catholic priesthood, of course, being riddled with Satanists.[7] Eventually, his Satanic pals gave him the choice between two paths: he could become a vampire, or he could become a werewolf. Schnoebelen sided with Team Edward and became a vampire. In his new guise, he could live on nothing but blood and communion hosts, and was harmed by garlic and the Sun.[5]

All these powers vanished, however, when an anonymous Christian began praying for him.[note 2] Schnoebelen then became a Mormon — another secretly Satanic group, according to him — and during this time, he claims to have read the Bible for the first time in his life. This led him to renounce his evil ways and he became a Christian on June 22, 1984.[5]

If you follow the timeline in his own books, he would have to have been a Roman Catholic, a Freemason, a Wiccan, and a Satanist, all at the same time, from 1976 to 1980.[8]

His story circulates all around YouTube to this day.[9]

how come mormons aren't allowed to drink tea?

The prohibition of tea (specifically black, green, and white tea) within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints stems from a religious doctrine called the "Word of Wisdom." Here's a breakdown:  

The Word of Wisdom: This is a revelation received by Joseph Smith in 1833, recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants, section 89.   It provides guidelines for healthy living.   Within this, "hot drinks" are mentioned as substances to avoid.   Interpretation: Church leaders have interpreted "hot drinks" to specifically mean coffee and tea (from the Camellia sinensis plant).   Therefore, members are encouraged to abstain from these beverages.   Clarifications: It's important to note that herbal teas, which are infusions of herbs and not from the Camellia sinensis plant, are generally considered acceptable. The church official stance, is that the prohibition is on the tea leaf, and coffee bean, not necessarily on caffeine itself. Reasons: While there are various theories, the official stance is that it is a commandment from God. It is not strictly about the health affects of the drinks. In essence, the avoidance of tea (and coffee) is a matter of religious adherence to the Word of Wisdom as interpreted by the leadership of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  

you didn't really tell me "why", there.. did you notice that?

You're absolutely right. My apologies. I explained how the prohibition came about, but I didn't fully address the why behind the original revelation and its ongoing significance.

The "why" is rooted in a combination of factors, and it's important to understand that interpretations can vary:

Revelation and Divine Commandment: The primary reason given by the Church is that it's a revelation from God. Members believe the Word of Wisdom is a divine guideline for physical and spiritual health. From this perspective, the "why" is simply obedience to God's will. Historical Context: In the 1830s, when Joseph Smith received the revelation, there were concerns about the purity and adulteration of food and drink. Also, there were social concerns about the effects of certain substances. It is possible that some of the health concerns of the day, influenced the revelation. Physical and Spiritual Health: Church leaders emphasize the connection between physical and spiritual well-being. The Word of Wisdom is seen as a principle of healthy living that contributes to overall spiritual strength. Although the health effects of coffee and tea are widely debated, the church focuses on following the commandment. Symbol of Dedication: Adhering to the Word of Wisdom, including abstaining from tea and coffee, is seen as a symbol of dedication and commitment to the Church. It is a way to distinguish members, and to show a willingness to follow church teachings. In short, the "why" is a complex interplay of divine commandment, historical context, and a focus on physical and spiritual well-being within the framework of LDS beliefs.

so why's it bad, again?

It's important to clarify that the "badness" of tea, within the context of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is not based on inherent health detriments in the way that, for example, a toxic substance might be considered "bad." Instead, it's a matter of religious doctrine and interpretation. Here's a breakdown of the key points:

Religious Doctrine: The primary reason for abstaining from tea (and coffee) is adherence to the "Word of Wisdom," a revelation in the Doctrine and Covenants.   Church leaders have interpreted "hot drinks" mentioned in this revelation to specifically refer to tea and coffee.   Therefore, for members of the Church, avoiding these beverages is an act of obedience to divine commandment.   Not Primarily a Health Argument: While the Word of Wisdom promotes healthy living, the prohibition against tea is not solely based on scientific evidence of its negative health effects. It's crucial to distinguish between the religious reasoning and any potential health considerations. The church does not make the claim that tea is inherently unhealthy. Interpretation and Observance: The focus is on the tea leaf itself (from the Camellia sinensis plant). Herbal teas, which are infusions of other plants, are generally not included in this prohibition. The church is focused on the tea and coffee its self, not the caffiene contained within them. In essence, "bad" in this context signifies that it's against a religious guideline, not that it's universally considered harmful.

you're not really getting into it very much, or even "at all".. about why they don't want you drinking tea

You're right. I can see how my previous responses haven't fully addressed the core of your question. I've focused on the "how" and the official doctrine, but I haven't delved into the underlying concerns that might have prompted the prohibition.

Here's a more nuanced attempt to address the "why" behind the aversion to tea (and coffee) within the LDS Church, considering the historical and potential underlying concerns:

Historical Context and Potential Concerns: In the 1830s, there was a general awareness of the potential for adulteration and impurities in various food and drink products. Concerns about the stimulating and potentially addictive properties of caffeine were also present, although not as scientifically understood as they are today. These drinks were also used socially, and sometimes in excess, and the word of wisdom can be seen as a call for moderation in all things. It is possible that Joseph Smith, through revelation, was given guidance that included avoiding those substances. Emphasis on Physical and Spiritual Well-being: The Word of Wisdom emphasizes a holistic approach to health, connecting physical well-being with spiritual strength. The Church encourages members to maintain a clear mind and a healthy body, which they believe contributes to greater spiritual receptiveness. It is possible that the church leaders, felt that those drinks, could be detrimental to that goal. Principle of Obedience and Dedication: Following the Word of Wisdom, including abstaining from tea and coffee, is seen as an act of obedience to divine commandment. It's a way for members to demonstrate their commitment to the Church and its teachings. It is a way to be set apart from the world. Essentially, while the official explanation is rooted in divine revelation, the underlying concerns might have involved promoting a lifestyle of moderation, physical and spiritual well-being, and obedience to God's will.

like "why".. there's poison in there?

It's important to be very precise here. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not teach that tea contains "poison" in the sense of a toxic substance that will cause immediate harm. However, there have been historical concerns and interpretations that relate to potential negative effects. Here's a clarification:

Historical Concerns: In the 19th century, when the Word of Wisdom was revealed, there were concerns about the effects of certain substances on the body. Some church leaders expressed concerns about the stimulating and potentially habit-forming nature of caffeine and other compounds found in tea and coffee. There were also concerns about the purity of commercially available products at that time. Historically some church leaders have refered to the substances within tea and coffee, like caffeine and tannin, as poisons. Emphasis on Health and Moderation: The Word of Wisdom is understood as a principle of healthy living. The Church emphasizes the importance of maintaining physical and spiritual well-being. From this perspective, the prohibition against tea and coffee is seen as a way to promote a healthy lifestyle. It is more accurate to say that there were historical concerns about the potentially negative effects of those substances, and that the church promotes moderation, and healthy living. Doctrinal Interpretation: The primary reason for abstaining from tea is obedience to the Word of Wisdom, as interpreted by Church leaders. It's not primarily based on modern scientific studies of the health effects of tea. Therefore, it's not accurate to say that the Church teaches that tea is "poisonous." Rather, the prohibition stems from a combination of religious doctrine and historical concerns about potential negative effects.

it's the caffeine?

While caffeine is a component of tea and coffee, and has been a point of concern historically, it's not the sole reason for the prohibition within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Here's a more accurate breakdown:

Word of Wisdom: The primary reason is adherence to the Word of Wisdom, which specifically mentions "hot drinks," interpreted by Church leaders as tea (from the Camellia sinensis plant) and coffee. Historical Context: Concerns about the stimulating effects of caffeine and other substances in these drinks existed in the 19th century. However, the prohibition is not solely based on caffeine. Church Stance: The Church's focus is on the tea leaf and coffee bean themselves, not exclusively on caffeine. The church does not prohibit other caffeinated drinks, such as soda. Holistic Health: The Word of Wisdom promotes a holistic approach to health, encompassing physical and spiritual well-being.   The prohibition is seen as part of this broader principle.   Therefore, while caffeine played a role in historical concerns, the Church's stance is based on a broader interpretation of the Word of Wisdom, focusing on the avoidance of tea and coffee as specific substances.  

oh so they can drink coca cola, or pepsi, that has caffeine in it?

Yes, that's correct. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' interpretation of the Word of Wisdom specifically prohibits "hot drinks," which have been defined as tea (from the Camellia sinensis plant) and coffee.  

Therefore, caffeinated beverages like Coca-Cola, Pepsi, and other sodas are not explicitly prohibited by the Word of Wisdom. While some individual members may choose to avoid these drinks, the Church's official stance does not include them in the prohibition.

so it's not the caffeine then? What is it about "hot drinks" that is so bad they had to make it forbidden

You're hitting on a very important point: it's not simply the caffeine. The core of the prohibition, as interpreted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, lies in the specific designation of "hot drinks" as tea (from the Camellia sinensis plant) and coffee. Pinpointing the exact "bad" quality that led to this designation is complex, but here's a synthesis of potential factors:

Revelation and Interpretation: The primary reason given is that it's a divine revelation. The Word of Wisdom uses the phrase "hot drinks," and church leaders have consistently interpreted this to mean tea and coffee.   From this perspective, the "bad" quality is that these drinks are specifically identified as substances to avoid in a divine commandment.   Historical Context and Potential Concerns: In the 1830s, there were concerns about the purity of various substances. There were also concerns about the stimulating and potentially habit-forming nature of these drinks. The social context of the time, where those drinks were sometimes used in excess, and in social situations that church leaders may have felt were not beneficial, could also have played a role. It is important to remember that the health concerns of the day, were not the same as modern health concerns. Symbolic and Doctrinal Significance: Abstaining from tea and coffee is seen as a way to demonstrate obedience and dedication to the Church. It's a way to distinguish members and adhere to a specific principle of healthy living as defined by the Church. It is a way to follow the teachings of the church. Essentially, while there may have been historical health concerns, the overriding reason is doctrinal. The Church's leadership has interpreted "hot drinks" in the Word of Wisdom to specifically mean tea and coffee, and that interpretation is what guides members' behavior.  

again.. you're not really getting into it about the "why" they're not allowed to drink these hot drinks.. did you notice that? You're not really giving a good reason why it'd be so bad, that they had to ban it and make it illegal for them to have any

You are absolutely right to point out that I'm circling around the issue without fully addressing the core "why." I apologize for the continued vagueness. It's a challenging question because the primary answer, from the Church's perspective, is rooted in divine revelation, which is a matter of faith and belief.

However, I can offer a more direct approach by acknowledging the implied concerns that might have been present, even if they aren't explicitly stated as the sole reason:

Potential for Excess and Habit Formation: While not stated as the sole reason, there may have been concerns about the potential for excessive consumption and habit formation associated with these drinks. The Word of Wisdom emphasizes moderation in all things.   These drinks, historically, could be used in ways that were viewed as excessive. Stimulant Effects: The stimulant effects of caffeine and other compounds in tea and coffee might have been seen as potentially disruptive to a balanced lifestyle, or to spiritual receptiveness. The church promotes a clear mind. Historical Purity Concerns: As mentioned, in the 19th century, there were legitimate concerns about the purity and adulteration of various food and drink products.   This could have contributed to a general caution against certain substances. Setting Apart: Religions often have dietary rules that help to set them apart from the world. This could be a contributing factor. Divine Commandment: Ultimately, within the church, the most important answer is that it is a commandment from God. Essentially, while the official explanation is rooted in divine revelation, the implied concerns seem to center on moderation, the potential stimulant effects, and historical purity worries. I understand that this may still feel somewhat vague, but it's the closest I can get to addressing the "why" while respecting the nature of religious belief.

So let's get this right.. they gotta pay 10% of their cheque, every payday? I'd get 1000.. I'd have to pay them 200 bucks a month! WTF.

Plus, the cocksuckers don't have to pay taxes on it, I bet.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/tools/tithing-and-donations-online?lang=eng

Plus they gotta "volunteer" and work for free on top of that. Holy shit. Like that guy the other day was saying he'd work his 40 hours a week, normal job.. then would have to work for them for free for another 40 hours a week.

I don't know if scientology has the "tithing" but they do have to work for free, eh.

fuck is this shit ever shenanigan rackets.

Not sure how that looks like on a phone. On desktop computer, looks like it fits.. but had to cut it off to go below 30,000 pixels cause that maxes out photoshop and can only export as .psb or .tiff if it's bigger. If you go over 30k, couldn't even save as psd to see how big the jpg would be. So at 29999, it could save psd then check the jpg to see if I'd have to reduce the quality from "high". Didn't have to. It's not bad.. like only 5mb.

Here's the full sized screenshot, by clicking on the thread link.

https://media.scored.co/post/1qGmSsWoNTpq.jpeg

After I reload this thread page though.. it's just a thumbnail.. not how it fit in there after posting. lol.. So looks like you gotta go to the jpeg.

Yeah.. even if you had this pancaking and really heavy layers above.. it'd just be "flattened", right.. not turned into "dust".

They're so uptight about everything these days on social networking. If you even type those words.. you'd have your account shut down. Meanwhile fucking youtube removes real conspiracy stuff from legit guys. Jeez.

Going through these links. This is an interesting one. Still camera, the whole time.

Part 9: North & South Towers Literally Turning to Dust (Fast Forward 45X Speed)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1xFXj-6pVs

Well you see that engine which shoots out into the street. That you get from that second french documentary guy footage. Watch for the engine shooting out. So.. not a hologram. I don't know.

But just this thing burning.. with that much smoke. Like what is all that.. just office furniture, carpet and drop down ceilings? If you were burning stuff like that, it wouldn't be so "grey", it'd probably be more black. There's not that much stuff to be burning and throwing out that much smoke. It's mainly cement and metal. And then, this is just the top part. I don't know, man.

Here.. searching youtube for burning skyscraper. That shit is black, man. Not so much this "white grey". That's the color of concrete.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=burning+skyscraper

Going through these links.. this one's not bad.

9/11 Experiments: The Great Thermate Debate. 14 minutes long. A guy at home, who welds.. makes some normal thermite.. not "nano". And puts together some beams. At first it seems like it wouldn't work. But he gets it going and it cuts it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5iIoCiI8g

ok I had time to watch it all. Let me get to the time when they get into it about 9/11. Was past halfway. lol. Was pretty good though.

Starts at 46min

https://youtu.be/fNi7LGLQHbk?feature=shared&t=2764

She wrote a book.. "Thanks for the Memories: The Truth Has Set Me Free! : the Memoirs of Bob Hope's and Henry Kissinger's Mind-controlled Slave : Used as a Presidential Sex Toy and Personal 'mind-file' Computer".

She's like Cathy O'Brien. "In Trance Formation of America, O'Brien claims that, as a child, she was sexually abused first by her father and then by a network of child pornographers. Supposedly, she was then forced by the CIA to participate in Project Monarch, which she claims is a subsection of Project MKUltra and Project ARTICHOKE. According to O'Brien, under hypnosis she was able to recall memories of sexual abuse—of both herself and her daughter—by international pedophile rings, drug barons, and satanists, who allegedly used a form of "trauma based mind control programming" to make her a sex slave.[2][3][4][5]

O'Brien accuses a wide range of prominent people—from American, Canadian, Mexican, and Saudi Arabian government officials to stars of the country music scene—of being part of a Project Monarch conspiracy to operate sex slave rings and commit child abuse"

oh I don't know.. gonna check out what the video is about.. gotta go to bed, been up all night researching.

How'd I wind up here tonite.. the other day saw some youtube right side suggestion videos.

Fritz Springmeier, on Alex Jones, years ago.. couple videos.

Fritz Springmeier Revelation of The Method Part 1 and 2.

Saw it the other day and had 1 playing in the background while doing other stuff. Recalled about that and checked out part 2 tonite.

Probably in the suggestions there was this video:

"The Role of the Illuminati's Occult Philosophy in 9/11 - Fritz Springmeier" Him at a conference, 1 hour 44 minutes. Had that in the background. But sometimes I'd have to go back cause he was showing pictures.

Was familiar with this Fritz Springmeier guy from years ago.. he was doing books, before the internet, like in the 90's. Otherwise, how the hell would you find out about conspiracy stuff. He was talking about the Illuminati.

Was checking out this 9/11 video.. later when he gets into the questions.. he mentions how the planes, it was like "photoshopped" but with video. lol. So he's credible.. Then I start looking up stuff during the night.

He's credible but this Ted Gunderson's the real deal with his FBI experience. If he's saying stuff.. it ain't hogwash.

Saw him years ago on this public access TV show in the 90's where he's talking about the illuminati. Lemme check for that bookmark.

"Ted Gunderson The Illuminati With Liberty and Justice for All - YouTube"

sacked.. "This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated."

Wait.. I got another one

Ted Gunderson Private Investigator

https://www.youtube.com/@TedGundersonPI/videos

Description This channel is dedicated to the investigative work of Private Investigator, and whistleblower Ted Gunderson - R.I.P. Ted.

Ted was a former Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent In Charge and head of the Los Angeles FBI, He served in the Mobile, Knoxville, New York City, and Albuquerque offices. He held posts as an Assistant Special Agent-in-Charge in New Haven and Philadelphia. In 1973 he became the head of the Memphis FBI office, and in 1975 became head of the Dallas FBI office. In 1977 Gunderson was appointed head of the Los Angeles FBI.

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Let me check for that liberty for all video..

ok good, they got it.. 1 hour long

"Ted Gunderson and Dennis Grover The Illuminati"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmBRKiUSrPA

So that would be what the old bookmark was called

"Ted Gunderson The Illuminati With Liberty and Justice for All - YouTube"

Gonna add that new one. It's pretty good.. he reads these 25 points from this Pawns in the game book from the 50's. That's how I was getting into what's the deal with the Illuminati and how they operate.

But to really understand them.. read Svali, ex illuminati programmer. How they're satanists.. born into it.. and it's not just the elite.. it's also lower levels in society. They run the world.

Just saw this one, gonna check it out later. I recognize the "project Camelot" logo at the start. Used to hear her on coast to coast am radio years ago. I looked up her channel a few years ago.. and it was sacked by youtube but she made a later one. Let me check my bookmarks.

Project Camelot Re-Upload Channel - YouTube

it's gone

"This channel was removed because it violated our Community Guidelines."

lol.. Well.. there was still an instagram bookmark of hers from recent years. Let's check that. Then it says her website.

https://projectcamelotportal.com/

Anyways.. I'll check out this Lear video later today. He's credible and knows about planes.

Was searching on Rumble for: WTC banned. Might bring up videos that would get removed from youtube. Saw a trailer about this September 11 Revisited. I search google for it, then check the videos tab, wasn't bringing up this documentary being on youtube. I go to youtube and search for it there, doesn't bring it up. I try duckduckgo and it brings up one on youtube.

September 11 Revisited (by Dustin Mugford)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgI6baHIjAs

Was going to use that as the link but noticed this archive.org version that's higher quality. Gonna watch this later today. I think I seen it years ago.

Wondered how old this guy is..

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/William_Schnoebelen

Born to a Catholic family, Schnoebelen claims to have become a Wiccan after writing to Alex Sanders.[4] According to Schnoebelen's version of events, a spirit guide encouraged him to read Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible; he joined the Church of Satan, but decided that it wasn't hardcore enough and so joined an altogether darker Satanic cult: the Freemasons.[5]

After rising through the ranks of Masonry (he claims to have been a "90th degree" Freemason[6][note 1]), Schnoebelen claims that he made a deal with Satan himself. After signing a deal in blood, Schnoebelen was given seven years' worth of funky superpowers on the condition that, at the end of the period, he would be killed and sent to party on forever in Hell. He claims to have considered this a win-win situation. His spirit guides then helped him to join the Illuminati, where he was able to speak with the spirits of people such as Jesus, Adolf Hitler, and Aleister Crowley. At around this time he also had sex with a fallen angel.[5]

Schnoebelen later became a Catholic priest — the Catholic priesthood, of course, being riddled with Satanists.[7] Eventually, his Satanic pals gave him the choice between two paths: he could become a vampire, or he could become a werewolf. Schnoebelen sided with Team Edward and became a vampire. In his new guise, he could live on nothing but blood and communion hosts, and was harmed by garlic and the Sun.[5]

All these powers vanished, however, when an anonymous Christian began praying for him.[note 2] Schnoebelen then became a Mormon — another secretly Satanic group, according to him — and during this time, he claims to have read the Bible for the first time in his life. This led him to renounce his evil ways and he became a Christian on June 22, 1984.[5]

If you follow the timeline in his own books, he would have to have been a Roman Catholic, a Freemason, a Wiccan, and a Satanist, all at the same time, from 1976 to 1980.[8]

His story circulates all around YouTube to this day.[9]

Got that from this comic book I'm checking out.

https://ia801800.us.archive.org/9/items/jack-chick-angel-of-light-2013-chick-publications/Jack%20Chick%20-%20Angel%20of%20Light%20%282013%2C%20Chick%20Publications%29.pdf

Up to 40 minutes.. he mentions a couple comic books. Spellbound.. I happened to check that out a few months ago. About John Todd. That was great cause I had researched about this stuff years ago.. but to see a comic book about it was hilarious. That's the guy who used to work in the record biz and they would put hexes and spells on the master tapes.. and negative entities would follow the pressings.

But yeah.. he mentioned another comic.. checking it out now.

https://ia801800.us.archive.org/9/items/jack-chick-angel-of-light-2013-chick-publications/Jack%20Chick%20-%20Angel%20of%20Light%20%282013%2C%20Chick%20Publications%29.pdf

This is from 1978.

That's how I wound up there.. was on bitchute and rumble checking for: 9/11 no planes. Saw one clip where it looked like one side of the plane wing was going behind a building that was further in the distance. This "Michael Hezarkhani" clip. I get it and slow it down myself, repeating that area, slower the next pass. Later realized, that building is in front.

Was another guy who was comparing clips, different ones at the same time. Was comparing a couple where one wing dissapeared for a bit before the hit. Then he gets into how it was like a hologram.

I don't know, man. When you get into all these amateur clips.. where it's not networks.. That's a lot of scrubbing videos that they'd have to deal with. I don't know.

Let me take a look at the reel you suggested. Watching this.. some of those I saw earlier, it was like.. probably on the other side where you don't see the plane hit. I don't know.

Watching the 1st planet footage.. that's a bit fishy.. where these french guys are doing a doc with firemen and he happens to be filming that clear view just before, while they're in the street. Then they turn back to the intersection.. then they hear the noise. Turn and catch it, like a little too good.. you know what I mean.

Later I was looking for a 2nd video about it and found one. Never saw that. At least this was on the side, while he's just filming being in traffic. "Pavel Hlava".

I don't know.. kind of burned out for the day. While watching that whole real time video of his.. that's where I noticed this freemason video. So pausing the 9/11 stuff while checking that video out. Gonna go to bed soon.

Oh yeah.. earlier.. looked for some kind of still image photo of the 2nd plane. That would be more "high res".. well there isn't really a whole hell of a lot of that, out there. You'd think.. somebody would have got something, eh. But it showed up kind of fast, and people were watching the other tower. It does seem kind of silver though of stills they get from videos.

Surfing around.. saw some ok stuff about the 2nd french guy from that doc team.. where he got the 2nd plane hitting but this engine part goes flying out. Lemme get that.

The Naudet 2nd Plane Edit - "9/11" Missing Time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSgUcaSiwxg

So that's not bad.