It's just so fascinating how difficult it is to find a pattern here, and yet you insist it happens every year before Easter and you can't even think of more than four examples in the past 35 years.
You should be looking for the FIRE ELEMENT being used for a PAGAN SACRIFICE in SPRINGTIME.
So, not the Waco murders, not the covid pandemic, and not the Baltimore Bridge collapse?
We're down to one example now. But I'll be generous and keep 'em in the pile
A standoff between gov't and a religious compound, a church burning down, lockdowns for a global pandemic, and a cargo ship hitting a bridge, in the years 1993, 2019, 2020, and 2024
How would you expect ANYONE to see a pattern here?
So let's look at some of the biggest death toll disasters in the past 25 years. Spoiler alert, you're still wrong. Not sure where you're getting this 50% figure but you really have to learn to actually do research instead of just shitting out info you're just pretending is real.
Anyway, in rough order by volume of death/sacrifice:
You have COVID, which the lockdowns happened right before easter, but the highest death tolls were in the summer. Tough to qualify that really.
You have September 11th, obviously not spring
Hurricane Maria, 2017, also in September
Hurricane Katrina, 2005, August
You've got the big blizzard in 2021, February
A huge heat wave in 2021 that estimated caused death of about 400, in July
There was a huge Tornado outbreak in 2011, late April, not really in the easter pattern
Another heat wave in 2006, in July
American Airlines flight 587, one of the largest aircraft disasters (besides Sept 11), happened in November
After this you get a LOT of hurricanes and tornadoes, which are largely taking place in either May or September
The station nightclub fire killed 100, but that was in February
You got an Alaska Airlines flight 261 disaster, that was in January.
Sorry bud, looks like you're still not nailing it.
Now you're leaving out the Boston bombing, Virginia Tech, and Columbine from the very first comments
Because they all happened after Easter. Your original comment said all of these events happen every year before Easter.
Oklahoma City bombing
OKC Bombing - April 19th, 1995
Easter - April 16th, 1995
After Easter, not part of the pattern
Waco murders
The Waco murders happened over a span of weeks, but that's good for 1993
What about in any of the years from 2000-2010? Or between 2021-2023?
If there's truly a pattern, then we should probably see more than 4 occurrences in the past 30 years.
You asked about the 420 shootemup killers
Uh, no I didn't. I just said I didn't get what you meant by them, considering they don't really have much relevance to what your claim was anyway, since it's pretty rare that easter falls around april 20th
Now you act like you don't know Easter moves every year.
Yes, Easter moves every year. I know that. That's kind of my point in showing you that your claims don't seem to be correct.
You said that there is a sacrifice leading into Easter every year, and mentioned only the Notre Dame Fire and the Baltimore Bridge. It's hard to believe something happens every year and once you see it you can't unsee it when you've only got three examples (third being lockdowns).
Let's go through all the way to the turn of the century, just for fun
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2024 - Baltimore Bridge
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2023
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2022
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2021
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2020 - COVID lockdowns
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2019 - Notre Dame Fire
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2018
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2017
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2016
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2015
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2013
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2012
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2011
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2010
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2009
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Always happens
Surely, if it always happens, it should be easy for you to recall some more examples.
Because right now there's not much of a pattern.
Bro this is me doing the digging for you lol.
If you're gonna make a claim, you should at least know any of the facts. Now you're changing it to every five years. This kind of shows me that you just latched onto a belief without even doing any research into it haha
But Virginia Tech shooting was April 16
And Easter that year was on April 8th.
Still no pattern.
Always happens leading into Easter. Once you see it you can't unsee it.
Do you just want me to repeat myself
No harm in it! I have no issue with readdressing points. Basically it means we're "continuing to chew what's in our mouths," after all.
No, no - you're not understanding me. Reality is ours.
Of course reality is "ours." I said your view of reality is yours and yours alone.
I can demonstrate that its surface can't curve convexly at rest in the manner required by the globe model
Not at larger scales, you can't. Your view is limited to what you have attainable with your limited equipment.
Laws aren't understanding - in fact, they are devoid of it.
Yes, laws are objective
I'm saying your understanding of laws is subjective.
However, it is the most generally accurate name for the subject that i've been able to come up with
Why not "earth shape research"?
Surely you realize how calling it "flat earth" not only invites bias, but also implies your own.
I see you write "I am open to suggestions," but I very much doubt that you are, or that you have any intention of changing it.
Don't ask questions you don't want the answers to ;)
I want the answers to them. I just think fortune cookie responses as well as not reading the actual question are a bit disrespectful
I did some digging, didn't find much.
Columbine happened a few weeks after easter, and I don't really know what you mean by "all the 420 shootemup" business.
It just seems weird to claim that "it always happens" and that you can't unsee it, but even looking through the past couple decades there are few examples
Always happens leading into Easter.
Boston Marathon bombing happened on April 15th, 2013, after Easter, March 31st, 2013
Let's look at the past decade though:
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2024 - Baltimore Bridge
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2023
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2022
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2021
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2020
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2019 - Notre Dame Fire
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2018
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Always happens
What were the others?
A large part of my engaging with flat earth research is to find such evidence and otherwise to expose my conclusions to criticism.
And what conclusions have you come to, and what evidence have you found to support it?
I've determined that it cannot be, through study of science, its history, and the natural world directly. It is well beyond suspicion - and has reached conclusion.
Due to your perception, yes. Just because you've determined that it cannot be spherical, doesn't mean that it is not spherical.
No! It's ours!
It's yours, specifically.
Things are obviously even worse with a sphere - any scale demonstration will show you those same laws of hydrostatics (ultimately - once the water stops moving, that is) that haven't changed in centuries.
Unless, weight causes objects to converge on the center of a mass, such as a sphere, and not in a unilateral direction, then water covering a sphere would follow the laws of hydrostatics in that particular environment.
Which could be this one.
I agree that this doesn't make it impossible that the world is spherical (i.e. that belief happens/ed to be correct), it just makes it very unlikely and would require new/amended laws in order for it to become scientifically possible.
Or perhaps you are lacking certain understandings, and the laws still apply as written.
I used "I" in the quote
You used "we" in the quote. Read it again, then you can try answering the question.
That's the wonderful thing about laws; they are objective. It isn't a "view", it is a repeatable measurement.
Your understanding of the laws isn't objective though, which is my point.
In that specific context it was to remind you of how silly your question was. We don't research the "cube earth"
I'm asking about you, specifically. There's no "we" here, unless you're implying you work among multiple people as a team.
and we don't [shouldn't/musn't] study the shape of the earth assuming it cubic (or flat, or spherical) because such bias would prevent objective study!
Then you shouldn't have a community called flat earth research, because it promotes a bias of the earth being flat.
In that context it was : humanity.
::gagging noise:: spare me
hrough my research have concluded that based on the scientific laws (i.e. repeated observation/measurement) that spherical is not a possible shape for it
But you could be wrong, that's all I'm saying. You suspect that the earth cannot be spherical, but your suspicions could be wrong due to misunderstandings of the laws of nature
Cubic, as you mentioned - is possible, but spherical is not (i.e. the spherical earth posit is unscientific / unempirical)
Can you explain a bit why one is more possible than the other?
Who cares what can be demonstrated in a perspective/imagination? I care what can be demonstrated in reality.
It's your limited view of reality. You can demonstrate how objects may behave in ultra-deep water, for example, but until you yourself have been in ultra deep water, you will never know for sure.
You may believe that things happen differently elsewhere or under some special circumstance, but until you confirm it through observation/measurement - it's just belief.
And vice versa! You may believe your own observations are universal, but until you've been in areas where there may be key environment changes, it's just belief.
When i say the surface of the earth can't be spherical, it is due to the laws of nature that we established on its surface.
We meaning who? Just you? Because when you use the term "the laws of nature," you may have your own unique view on it vs others.
Are you still misunderstanding something?
Only why you wrote the answers as the royal we, when I asked a question to you, specifically. To me, it's like you're not answering the question.
I asked why you don't research the cube earth, and you responded "That's why we don't research "the cube earth""
Who is we?
Is it fair to say then that you simply believe that the world is not a globe?
That is more or less demonstrable - aka, a law
In your own perspective, yes. But it's just a belief that it applies universally in all environments, unless you've been there.
Looks like you have, and now understand, your answer.
Well, no, because I was asking about you, specifically. Not the royal you. I understand why "we" don't, but not why "you" don't.
Indeed, if we are wrong about the earth's shape - we could easily be quite wrong about its total size as well.
Just as suspicions about the world being flat could also be wrong, as well as our current understanding of weight only acting downward.
We just study "the earth" and its shape without such biases (ideally).
Precisely!
its just the opitcal law of linear perspective that we see everyday.
As I've tried my hardest to explain, it's not something we see every day outside of the sunrise and the sunset.
Do me a favor, and try what you asked me to do. Lay your head down against the ground, and have a friend walk away from you. You'll see them get smaller and smaller, but never to the point where they dip below the horizon before fading away from your field of vision.
if that video is real
That's a great statement as well. We don't know if it's real. We have no details about it, and it's also significantly out of focus, so hard to make out exactly what we're seeing.
I've never encountered a vocal "cubist" outside the art world - have you?
Nope, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't do research into it, if you are keeping an open mind about the possibilities of what the shape would be. It seems by your actions that you suspect the earth is flat, if you choose not to devote time to research other shapes.
You research the earth and its shape
Exactly!
sun doesn't go behind the curve
What curve? I'm talking about on a flat earth.
I have been looking up shots of sunrises and sunsets, and every single one shows the sun sinking below the horizon or rising above the horizon.
Thanks for sending the link though! Do we know where this footage was taken, or how high up they were?
And what you're looking at is the sun falling below the horizon, as I've been describing. However, you are suggesting that at high altitudes the sun simply fades.
Happy to have you share a link! I trust that you know where to find a good example, because I've never heard of this before.
This is how the sun behaves. Other objects, like planes and my friend, will get smaller as they get further away. The sun, however, does not.
Do you have anything different to share that counteracts these examples?
You were in search of a completely accurate scale model of the earth
You've misunderstood me. I was not looking for a completely accurate scale model. I was only looking for one without significant error (such as the relation of landmasses to one another, or relative shape of the landmasses). It does not have to be completely 100% accurate. There is a middle ground between 100% accurate, and 20% accurate.
The conversation about antarctica sort of molded into this, but there is a lot that you seemed to misunderstand in that conversation as well.
So, effectively, much is left "ignored," because you comment on your own misunderstandings, and when I correct you and try and help you realize what I am intending to say, you sort of just quiet down, hence why I started the threads.
Here's a link: https://communities.win/c/flatearthresearch/p/17sOnl6c42/x/c/4Z8kfcZzICu
I encourage you to read through with fresh eyes, and see if you can get a better grasp on what I was looking for.
Fair point, so we've got two.
Two is not a pattern.
I'm hung up on the words that you specifically used, yes.