Jesus Himself is a Jew and He has been promised things too, it's the culmination of God's Kingdom coming down to earth and His children, first in Spirit and form and soon in Glory!
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Promises to Israel (the people and the promised land, with God) that have not been fufilled are still in effect to His purposes and time.
This is false, there is no promise of God to Israel that any other nation doesn’t have. Jesus himself said that the Jews weren’t the “COA” because they rejected him.
Don't you understand that being chosen to inherit a land based on lineage is unrelated to salvation always being on an individual basis?
I agree, the thing is that no nation is chosen to inherit any land after Jesus.
Well, the Bible doesn't say "Egypt" it says "Mizraim"; modern Egypt calls itself "Misr". For "Assyria" it says "Asshur", which nowadays is called "Syria".
What are you even on about? Assyria is different from Syria. The people group exist in Iraq, Syria and all around the world. The nation of Assyria doesn’t exist today. Use your common sense, God doesn’t favor any people group over any other after Jesus. There is no land promised to any nation here and it’s just speaking of a time of fellowship and following God.
8:56: "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day." So he admits Abraham is their father in one sense,
They still aren’t the children of Abraham, so the Old Testament promises don’t apply to them. We shouldn’t even be debating this.
Jesus said clearly, ““If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[c] do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things… Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say“.
Descent doesn’t matter at all, God favors nobody by giving land inheritance to any people group anymore.
Salvation is on an individual basis.
Jews meanwhile were privileged based on their lineage. They were chose to inherit the land of Canaan by God and to be a “treasured possession chosen out of all nations”.
After Jesus, the Jews aren’t privileged because lineage. Whether or not you’re blessed or are a “COA” is not determined at all by lineage. Physical descent doesn’t matter whatsoever.
God calls Egypt "my people" and promises they will be blessed in the end. If they were conquered and displaced they could indeed cite that promise and others to come back. If that promise were to fail God would be a liar.
This passage is about a future time where people groups will be joined together to worship God. It can’t specifically be talking about the borders of nations because Assyria isn’t even a nation anymore. You are putting words in God’s mouth here
No, as you quote, the text is "I know that ye are Abraham's seed" (John 8:37). The context indicates that this is one meaning of two.
No, Jesus clearly says they aren’t the “children of Abraham” despite being descended from him. He specifically says Abraham is not their father, but the devil is. Lineage doesn’t matter at all anymore,
Stop debating this, Jesus himself said “Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say”. You are spiritually blinded just like Jews, open your eyes to the words of Jesus.
Stop adding words to what Jesus and God says to justify Zionism.
Children of Abraham by descent remain so regardless.
You are literally arguing with Jesus here. There is no “children of Abraham” by descent anymore
Jesus says in John 8, “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants…If you were Abraham’s children, then you would[c] do what Abraham did. As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things… If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God… You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him.
Jesus literally told the Jews they aren’t Abraham’s children or Gods but the devils. There are no two senses, you either believe in Jesus and are a “child of Abraham”, or aren’t one.
The privileges Egypt has with retaining Egypt still belong to them
No it doesn’t, Egypt isn’t a divine inheritance given to the Egyptians by God.If Egypt got conquered and the people were forcibly moved out of the land like the native Americans or Jews. They wouldn’t have a right to come back 2,000 years later and displace everybody already in it in the name of God. The Jews aren’t the “children of Abraham” anymore, therefore they don’t have a inheritance.
The privileges the covenant people had were wholly different and always continued with the covenant people, which were largely undifferentiated,
Again, the “children of Abraham” specifically referred to those blessed by God and with the inheritance of the land of Canaan in the Old Testament. The Jews aren’t the “children of Abraham” anymore and you can only be the “children of Abraham” by believing in Jesus.
Yep, exactly this.
I never said salvation was, but the privileges the biological Jews had with inheriting Canaan and being the “chosen” people no longer belong to them. The Jews don’t have Canaan as an inheritance because they don’t have any special status anymore.
You can only be the “children of Abraham” through salvation in Jesus, being a descendant of any person doesn’t make you more special than anybody else in God’s eyes.
Before Jesus came it was not determined by lineage either
It was, the promises in the Bible for Israel to inherit Canaan were specifically to the Jews descended from Abraham.
then for 2,000 years it was focused on one nation
Yes, and after Jesus came, you could no longer be the “children of Abraham” by descent. They and every other people group were only the children of Abraham through believing in Jesus.
The promises were to the children of Abraham. Being a child of Abraham is not determined by lineage anymore, but by belief in Jesus as Jesus said himself.
God’s promises don’t ever change, and his promises are still the same to the “children of Abraham”. Those are the people who “accept him” regardless of there descent.
Jesus said, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God”.
The privileges were only for the physical descendants of Abraham before. Now they are for anybody who “accepts” Jesus, it doesn’t matter what your lineage is and no lineage is more “favored” than another anymore.
It doesn’t matter from what group you’re from, if you accept Jesus then you’re a “child of God”. It doesn’t matter if you’re Jew, Greek, white, black, or Indian.
Jesus told the jews that it doesn’t matter from what descent you’re from. If you reject Christ, then you’re not a “child of Abraham” or “child of God”.
There is no group getting special privileges or blessings because of their “lineage”. The Jews aren’t God’s chosen anymore.
No problem, glad to help.
Imo, a whole week seems kinda long for requests. a good middle ground would be 5 days for requests. By the 5th day, the top request would’ve most likely already been decided. It’s your call though.
4 days for requests. People should have more than a weekend to respond to the request threads imo.
The only concern I have is the sheer amount of round tables we have. There such a common occurrence now that we don’t have time go in depth into the topics and nobodies going out of there way to comment on them because there just seen as another common post.
I honestly think they should happen every 3-4 weeks only.
Ok, fair enough.
Wait... the mod is a woman?
How long till that though? How many more wars in the Middle East will have to occur? How many children will have to die?
Eventually all the lies and manipulation fall apart, and even the dreaded "Samson Option" won't save them.
It already has, all over social media antisemitism spreads and the whole Muslim world already hates them. Only a dwindling amount of middle/old aged people still support Israel.
It seems like the Jews have already won because of the “Samson option”. It seems nigh-impossible to stop them from nuking the whole world if Israel falls or if they don’t get there way.
Only way we can stop them is if we secretly disarm there nukes, a billionaire or country develops space laser weapons to completely neutralize them when they’re launched. These ways are simply not accessible to us and nigh-impossible to do.
The Jews have won in a way which seems a complete victory. Only God can help us now.
Thank u for telling me this, I’ll keep your words in mind.
The person you are attacking is not subhuman,
This is an interesting point you raise. Being a 5’3, dark-skinned Indian with slight asd/adhd in the west has often made me feel subhuman compared to those around me.
The thing is, I’m also considered smart, attractive, and from a rich family with lots of connections. Im simply a walking contradiction and it makes me wonder why God would give me such a mixed bag of traits that are polar opposites. Why would God give me so many strengths that don’t mean anything because my weaknesses completely cancel them out.
Simply put, unless you can convince me otherwise. I am fine being called subhuman and understand why someone would call me that. Accepting it and working on what I’m good at is what I think is best for me.
That’s a fair point, I don’t think it has to do with Jews but with the “children of God”.