I would agree with you that nature and everything in it only points one way - towards a creator. Nothing else makes any sense to me and I highly doubt it ever will.

But the Jewish god ain’t it. Not by a long chalk. The Jewish gods is a war god of one people. He was a jealous god - jealous of all his other fellow gods. Angry, spiteful, sadistic and the self-confessed creator of evil.

Nor is the Jewish messiah Jesus any better, who also wages War by deception in order to fulfill the wicked plans of his wicked father YHWH and act as false shepherd to gentiles, leading them to their slaughter and even ‘treading the winepress’ personally himself.

I think there is a creator, absolutely, but I don’t think it can be contained within the bounds of human characteristics and it most certainly would not be YHWH.

I believe you can see the creator in natural things, in the patterns and ways and I believe you can even experience the creator when you have respite from the ego.

No worries about the Chat GPT use. I suspected as much some way into reading your response so I appreciate your up frontness about it.

Interesting explanations of some Gnostic beliefs there. The issue I would have with Gnosticism though is that even though it is opposed in some sense to the traditional Jewish (including Christian) narrative, it is nonetheless a controlled opposition in that it still operates within the same Jewish paradigm. It still operates under the precept of YHWH as the creator of the earth and humanity. It also believes in Jesus and hails him as a hero whereas his words and the words of the prophets are plain to see and that they espouse racial supremacy of Jews and destruction of gentiles.

One thing I find quite interesting about Gnostic Jesus is what he said about making women into men in the gospel of Thomas I believe.

This feels quite in tune with Jewish mysticism to me and what would go on to become Kabbalah. Kabbalists have Adam as Adam Kadmon - an androgynous non-binary and it just feels like it’s from the same annals as that.

I would still disregard Gnosticism for upholding the fundamental premise of YHWHs plan for the world and of Jesus as the deceitful destroyer portrayed as hero.

Why are you even responding at all if everything you say can be summed up as ‘I would provide an answer, but it is too laborious’

Your tactics are obvious mate.

Let’s take one point at a time. Do you acknowledge that when Jesus said to be wise as serpents that this was instruction given solely to his apostles and not to his flock?

He’s just doing his part too. He mentions men in women’s sport but come on! Isn’t Lara Trump one of the most obvious Ladyboys you’ve ever seen?

He absolutely loves it.

He owns all the beauty pageants which are actually just trannyfests.

Even despite all the beauty pageants being full of, well, men, he was the one who allowed the first openly trans competitor into one his pageants - Jenna Talackova

I have heard of these, yes. This is the Gnostic interpretation of YHWH.

Even if YHWH is as the gnostics believe then the ultimate god above him still appointed him over the earth and so is equally as uncaring/evil or equally as ignorant.

I don’t believe in ANY of the Jewish religions or sects of Judaism, be it Christianity or Gnosticism or Islam but the Gnostic assessment of YHWH seems much more sober and realistic.

The OP is that these forums have been overrun with Christian sheep, noticeably so. Like Christian posters have been brigading conspiracies.win

But also that Christianity is the main tool that Jews have used against gentiles. It has been their main weapon of war and it is actually abundantly clear when you just read the texts of the Bible itself.

Jesus does not like gentiles and is there to bring about or destruction and yet plenty of gentiles adopt a childlike mind as he instructs and just while accept him as the son of YHWH, and YHWH as the one true god - even though YHWH himself never claims to be anyone’s god other than the Israelites. Mind boggling but understandable

I can do what I like and am under no obligation to propose any alternative belief systems, as though you can’t expose a belief system without replacing it with another.

I could sense from your initial injection into my conversation with the other fella that your goal would be to derail the topic away from what the scripture plainly says and into, well, anything else besides.

I’ll not be engaging with you on the topic anymore. If you can stick to your scripture and speak knowledgeably about it then be my guest.

If you have taken Jesus advice and rendered yourself childlike and naive and accepting these things purely on the say so of the book itself then, fair enough. That is your prerogative

Peale the 33rd Degree Freemason...

1. It's not my assumption. Perhaps you should have consulted the Bible before quoting from it. This is the advice Jesus gave specifically to his Apostles as he was sending them out to proselytise. This needn't be a point of debate - you can just go consult the text you were quoting from..

I'm sorry but I don't think you are really engaging in good faith here at all. Hoping to cast doubt on whether I'm being logical et al and trying to reduce what I say down to me making 'assumptions'. No, what I'm doing here is pointing out what the Bible itself says, thats all, and demonstrating to you that it is not for you but against you. You should be attempting to play the ball and not the man.

The 'dogs' in both of those examples DO refer to the gentiles. You can assert otherwise, but at least show your working.

You're not stepping over any boundaries at all. You are correct in what you think. I don't believe Jesus was real, I believe he was a trick rustled up by Jews - a midrash from their scriptures to be sold to the Gentiles (as he was) in order that they would come to worship the god of the jews, which is what happened. By force and by persuasion. And all of our own gods and ways of life were prohibited by the Jews using the husk of the Roman Empire to enforce it - an Empire which became the holy Roman see and the seat of power of the Jewish Messiah, fulfilling Psalm 110. But bear in mind that Rome, for Jesus and the Jews, is the 'midst of thine enemies' from which he will rule. Not to mention all those dead bodies to come...

And if Jesus was real, then he's still a vile character who has set out to deceive not only the gentiles but even his fellow Jews. His main target however is us gentiles who he wishes to bring to utter destruction.

I'd not be keen to move on if that's ok as you still have that challenge pending...

he did say that, but only to his twelve apostles when sending them out to proselytise. It wasn't general advice to all.

In fact, he purposefully kept his 'sheep' in the dark, revealing his teachings only to his cronies. Thus:

Mat 13:10  And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?  Mat 13:11  He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.  Mat 13:12  For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.  Mat 13:13  Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 

Jesus, pretending to impart wisdom to his followers, was actually just stringing them along whilst purposefully deceiving and confusing them.

Jesus warned his fellow Jews not to give holy things to the dogs (gentiles) or cast their pearls before swine (also gentiles)

at 7:6  Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 

This is also echoed in the story of the Canaanite woman:

Mat 15:24  But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.  Mat 15:25  Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.  Mat 15:26  But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.  Mat 15:27  And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. 

The dogs are the gentiles whilst the children are the children of god, the Jews. Only when the Canaanite woman acknowledged the Jews as 'masters' and her own status as a 'dog' did Jesus deign to help.

This is the true Jesus - a thoroughly unpleasant, hateful, racial supremacist literary figure posing as a good guy whilst deceiving even his fellow Jews with unfathomable parables but hoarding his real secrets for his inner crew - just like all secret societies since. He is not a purveyor of truth, but a gatekeeper of it.

Jesus is the 'lamb of god'. The Jesus story is the anthropomorphisation of Yom Kippur and the Day of Atonement ritual in which a sacrifical scapegoat would have the sins of the jews placed on it before being sent out to the wilderness, whilst another would be sacrificed to their god.

They repackaged this wacky ritual and sold it to the gentiles via the Jesus story and now you have loads of gentiles cultishly saying they are 'washed in the blood of the lamb'

1. So you deem influencers the windsock of truth?
2. All the new spammy christians flooding this forum and other places
3. I don't know the history of this site and its precursors
4. The bible and history. Psalm 110 for example and the fact that Rome became the seat of Christianity and from there forced the conversion of all of Europe and abolished the native religions thereof, destroying native temples and burning down libraries etc, cutting the noses off of statues
5. Yip. Jesus didn't exist except as a midrash, but the Jesus STORY was used as the vehicle against the gentiles.
6. Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles and it was Paul who spread the gospel to Rome and beyond. If you look at the alleged words of Jesus however, they are clear and anti-gentile.
7. True, Israel were also a goy in the earliest parts of the Bible, but then YHWH chose them and thenceforth it was only the non-Israelite nations that were referred to as goy.
8. Except whom they CLAIM the true creator is. The Bible is naturally a book biased towards the God of Israel - because that's what the book is about.
9. A couple of passages? Out of context? hmmm and a bunch of whataboutery.
10. And is that your reading? That it was a merciful act upon these children? Then why are the people doing it to be 'happy' about it? And why in such a cruel manner as dashing them against stones?
11. God was also only the God of Israel DURING Jesus alleged ministry. It was only Paul who sought to convert the Gentiles, according to the story anyway.

Mr ex is correct though. Jesus instruction was to become as a child - that is to say, naive and trusting and not to use your critical faculties. You are to be as a sheep and a child, questioning nothing, requiring nothing proven, but to take it all on trust or faith.

This is not good advice. You should absolutely maximise all of your critical faculties in order to be able to spot nonsense and deceit and to discern good advice from bad.

Hi, on the first point - yes, you're correct in genocide being an overarching (and very repetitive) theme.

1. So, genocides called for in the Bible are probably too inexhaustive to list but you have the Amalekites where YHWH says, in 1st Samuel 15:2-3 "Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.  1Sa 15:3  Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

Why order the murder of babies? And of livestock? When Saul kept some sheep and cattle alive to burn in sacrifice to YHWH, YHWH changed his mind towards Saul being King of Israel - because he didn't fulfil the complete and utter genocide of the Amalekites and all their livestock! Is this really the god you accept as your own? Is this really a god you can call all good and all-loving?

Deuteronomy 7 contains the command to genocide many peoples and reiterates the fact that YHWH is the god of Israel only and of no other nation. For example:

Deu 7:1  When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;  Deu 7:2  And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:  Deu 7:3  Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.  Deu 7:4  For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.  Deu 7:5  But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.  Deu 7:6  For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. 

See? He chose ONLY Israel to be his very own. And to conquer all other nations. Hence the verse in Isaiah 60:12 which states that the nation that does not serve thee (Israel) shall perish. Yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted. There were multiple genocides past in the bible, and more yet to follow for the sake of the fulfilment of prophecy - which Jesus says he is come to do and that no jot or tittle shall pass until ALL be fulfilled.

For example, Jesus acknowledged that it is he who is referred to in Psalm 110 in Matthew and Mark. Thus:

Mar 12:35  And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David?  Mar 12:36  For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.  Mar 12:37  David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly. 

Psalm 110 says that Jesus will rule of Israels enemies and that they will be made his footstool. The enemies of Israel were Rome - and it was Rome that became the seat of Christianity in what was the Jews theological conquest of the gentiles and parasitisation of the Roman Empire. Remember, it is Jesus being spoken of in Psalm 110 where it says: Psa 110:5  My Lord is at your right side, and when he gets angry he will crush the other kings.  Psa 110:6  He will judge the nations and crack their skulls, leaving piles of dead bodies all over the earth. 

Jesus will judge the nations (goyim ie the non-Jews), crack our skulls and leave piles of dead bodies all over the earth. Is this guy REALLY your saviour...?

3. That is not quite the verse I had in mind, no. It is from Isaiah 49:23

sa 49:23  And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me. 

Our leaders are to fall at the feet of Israel and lick up the dust of their feet. I mean, they already do so now, but still...

Or in Micah 7:16-17:

Mic 7:16  The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.  Mic 7:17  They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the LORD our God, and shall fear because of thee. 

Us goy (nations) are likened to worms and will be afraid of their god and shall be in fear because of Israel. Their god is not your god. Them and their god hates you if your not Jewish. Jesus is one of them and is not your saviour.

4. Look at what this belief has done to you - making justifications for the unmitigated heinousness of child murder. This can't be you in reality. I hope you might one day be able to read the bible with fresh and objective eyes and see the hatred and evil and deceit that spews from it.

I don't think anyone knows really. They're apparently 'lost'. Some circles claim that Europeans are made up of Israelite tribes and that the Danes, for example, are named for the tribe of Dan.

Other still might suggest that the Ethiopians are definitely in there.

Others still that black people in general but particularly those in America are part of the lost tribes (Black Hebrew Israelites).

They've probably been diluted out of existence through mixing. Perhaps the entire story is mythical. Perhaps there is just jews.

If YHWH is all good and other gods were demolished for 'our' good then how do you explain his continual calls for genocide?

And why does he state that the nation that does not serve israel shall be utterly wasted?

Why does he say that israel will eat the riches of the nations and that we will lick the dust of their feet?

Why does he say to rejoice in the bashing of babies off of rocks?

Finally, where in the entire bible does YHWH ever claim to be the god of any people other than the Israelites? He's not your god in his own view. For reasons already explained, you believe he is your God but nowhere can you point me to YHWH himself saying that he is anyones loving god but the Israelites. Declaring himself a conqueror of nations doesn't count.

That's a challenge for you if you're up for it

Jesus, insofar as he even existed, had no time for you unless you were Jewish. In fact, Jesus saw you as his enemies whom he was to rule over.

He has brought you to the worship of YHWH, Elohim of Israel who has ordained that the goyim will serve Israel or perish. Yeah, those nations shall be utterly wasted (Isaiah 60:12) and it is Jesus who will carry out our destruction (Psalm 110).

Jesus is a trick buddy. Your own gods were abolished by the conquering Jews using the Romans to accomplish it. They burned all your temples, deleted your own gods, burned down all the ancient libraries and FORCED your ancestors into worshipping the Israelite God.

Christianity (and Islam) is THEE conspiracy, for they deceive gentiles into worshipping the God of Israel.

then why aren't those people on their containment board then? Why infiltrate and bombard conspiracies?

It's not Conspiracies AGAINST Christ. It's pointing out that Christ IS the conspiracy - the taking over of Rome and using it to force gentiles into worshipping Yahweh the Elohim of Israel via their Yom Kippur scapegoat myth, Jesus.

oh lordy, you're a Q person.

Buddy, yous done nothing

oh dear. You think they 'hate Christ'.

Christianity is the Jews revenge and the vehicle by which they tricked you into worshipping their god.

Actually, Jews were responsible for the Christianisation of societies via their parasitisation of Rome and consequent forced conversion throughout the empire.

Dechristianisation is the prerequisite condition to throwing off the yolk of the Jews.

You can’t maintain a belief in their concocted messiah, worship the lord god of Israel and accept the Jews as having a special covenant with their god whom you also accept as your own via their Jesus Psy Op whilst simultaneously decrying them.

I mean you CAN, but it’s logically inconsistent and futile

Until they’re not…

And used on this Forum and other Conspiracy places by sleepers with all the Jesus nonsense.

‘Believe in the messiah we invented for you goy’