I'm curios, how do you know that something that you recognise as truth is not part of the illusion? I would imagine that the most dangerous lie would be the one that masquerades as the truth.
There are two primary agendas behind Trump.
The first is that Kremlin has kompromat on Trump, so Trump does everything to please Putin. That would partly explain why Trump almost never speak against Putin and his conspiracies, for example when the entire government but Trump says that the recent hack was made by the russians. (Yes, I'm noting that you don't put Russia in your list with things that has an agenda)
The second is that Trump does everything imaginable to regain absolute power. He is not above cheating, lying or hiding bad things. If someone criticise him he will get his revenge. Think of Stalin and his purges. The more you praise Trump the better. Again, think of the Endless applause for Stalin.
Somehow, despite all Trumps faults the majority of the conspiracy theorists began to shill for him.
Also, the majority of the conspiracy theorists began to shill for Russia. Yes, it's good that you support the protests in Hong Kong. But where is your support for the protests in Belarus? Lukashenko is not a good president, but if you get your news from conspiracy theorists you would't know that he imprison peaceful protestors (I hope that you prove me wrong). I would believe that the reason these things are ignored is that Lukashenko is an ally of Russia.
Now that's a good question. I guess the answer depends on what you define as a conspiracy theorist. I still have problem seeing how one can be a conspiracy theorist and support authorial leaders like Trump and Putin. It also depends of how you define MSM (and how you define state propaganda).
I mean, of course MSM has an agenda, but that's true of everything. See the lowhanging blogs and Twitter posts that I was talking about, they have an agenda. The sources that you use to shape your world view, what is their agenda?
I do believe in the divide and conquer conspiracy theory. There are too many people here and in the rest of the world that doesn't have any critical thinking, and there are powers that aim to abuse it. So I am definitely a different kind of conspiracy theorist than you are.
The topic and the article doesn’t agree with the data, right? The data says that of the 3.150 persons that had health impact events, an unknown number of them required care from doctor or health care professional. Nowhere in the pdf file does it say that 3.150 person were hospitalized.
No, this is unfortunately the right place for "such people" to be in. There are at least nine 'Trump supporters' to every 'Biden supporter', how else are they going to get their voices heard? Their voices will otherwise be drowned.
Furthermore, I don't even agree that most of the people we are talking about are trolls who spread lies and deceptions. Sure, it may be because I agree with them. But then again, the reason that you think that they are trolls may be because you just don't agree with them. We are only humans
Also, I do defend the use of MSM about elections, lockdowns, vaccines and more. Many times these uses are relevant. And if some claims about the election don't survive the counterclaims made by MSM then maybe the claims just wasn't any good to begin with. What doesn't kill the claims makes them stronger.
Remind me again why we should not fear both dictatorships?
I must respectfully disagree with you. I think that it's good that there are people here that "disrupt the forum and troll". If you would see this forum from my POV, you would probably see that most of the topics here are just lowhanging blogs, twitter posts and memes. Someone needs to question the validity of these topics, even if the claims come from MSM articles.
And yes, I agree with you that at least one of them behaves like a troll. But 2 things against that. 1. That's the cost of free speech. 2. You should see the insults that are thrown at people that are against the geist of the forum. Even the forum owner is guilty of it, so no one is innocent.
As I already have said, I consider it a conspiracy that the American president can use the power of his office to disrupt the democracy. Like in a true conspiracy he tries to make secret calls where he forces his underlings to rig the election. Why wouldn’t I be allowed to question that, when a conspiracy theorist should question everything?
Well, it’s a valid conspiracy theory that an important lawyer spreads lies about the former president of the USA and a current member of the Supreme Court in order for the current president to falsely arrest his political opponents. So I guess that’s why Minuet is here.
Wouldn’t that be the literal opposite of free speech? I actually respect Axo for allowing these discussions to take place.
Also, wouldn’t it be ironic? I mean, if you question the will of the president then you are purged from the discussion.
Remember when Trump mistakenly said that Alabama would be hit by the hurricane Dorian? Instead of admitting his mistake, he broke the law on live television by knowingly publishing a counterfeit weather forecasts that falsely represent an official forecast. That’s but one of the examples where he rather lies than admit his shortcomings. But when again, you are not allowed to question the president on a forum for conspiracy theorists?
She is a hero
You know, your blatant anti-semitism doesn’t contribute to the topic at all. If Trump would imprison Pence and the others he would definitely purge most of his political opponents, and even an person like yourself would not support that.
Yes, exactly. Partly because of all Trumps lies and his flip flops I believe the CDC and all the other nations implied by this tweet.
I didn’t think I would see a topic that was critical of Trump here, so I am impressed. The conspiracy is of course that the liar lies again to hide his bad handling of the virus. Apparently it’s easier to shift the blame than to take it self.
No, you did not say that you were a Trump supporter. But your words say that you support him "doing that". It's like with death penalty or abortion, you either support it or you don't. And you do support it.
Yes, there are some (not plenty) instances where "unilateral and extra-legal executive actions do NOT lead to dictatorships", but these are the exceptions. You list some of the greatest men in our history. Trump is not one of them. He is closer to Stalin or to Sulla.
Also, it's my belief that none of the men you listed did imprison people from the supreme court or the congress. If you imprison people to stay in power, you don't generally let someone else take power.
And let's say that Trump was not the unhinged corrupt person that he is. Let's say that he was as honest as Lincoln. If he would take this kind of action outside of war, it would just mean that someone else would make a coup later, just like Caesar did not long after Sulla. Once the floodgate is opened [...]
You disappoint me. No, really. I was not even talking about the Holocaust, so why did you bring up your anti-semitic views? Do you even know what the Night of the long Knives is?
I mean, this describes everyone in this forum, even you.
You didn't answer Axocomeoutandplay's question, you just dodged it.
The claim that NSA is hiding records about Seth Rich comes from an anonymous source, and many people in this forum hate anonymous sources.
Sy Hersh has nothing to do with that claim, because he is not the source. His name is only there to prime you about your feelings about Ty Clevenger's source.
Yes, he did "admit that he did speak with a senior intelligence official about an FBI report about Mr. Rich and Wikileaks", as Ty Clevenger says. But that was only a second hand source from outside the FBI, so we still have no first hand connection.
Yes, of course those were kangaroo courts. The point stand, if Trump would purge members of the Supreme Court for voting against Trump's wishes (as in John Roberts), do you really expect the courts to be anything but kangaroo courts?
Also, I could argue that Trump lies all the time and gets away with it, but that is not the point. The point is that Trump fired Yevgeny Vindman, and as far as I know his only "crime" was being the brother of Alexander Vindman. That is a clear cut example of vindictiveness.
That was a very good argument. Thank you.
Using a list of unconnected things is not a good argument.
Even if I would admit that there isn't anything good about the US government murdering dozens of US citizens in the early 90s, how would it be solved if Donald Trump suddenly became a dictator? Or to take Trump out of the question, how would the situation be improved if the legislative and judicial branches of government would be purged and the executive branch became the only power in the country?
Also, the other things in your list is just dodging the point. For example, I could argue that Trump himself was guilty of 'putting his constituents last' with his own budget plan, but that is not the point.
The point is that you are supportive of Trump being an actual dictator by purging his political opponents. If you did not support his politics you would not want him to be a dictator, right?
Both Stalin and Hitler used the courts to turn their political opponents into convicted criminals. These political opponents (or criminals, as you call them) were being convicted for treason. Therefor, they did in fact put criminals behind bars lawfully for treason. So, are you saying that Hitler and Stalin was not guilty of purging their political opponents? I don't agree with you.
And yes, I think that there is a chance that he would, if he could. He can't do it now, because he doesn't have unlimited power. Like Stalin, Trump is very paranoid and extremely vindictive. For example of how vindictive he is, why did he fire Yevgeny Vindman?
So you are openly in favour of the American president to purge his political opponents?
Also, I would not use the ancient Athen as a good example of a democracy. Not only because only a small subset of the population could vote, but also because of the fact that they had a legal right to purge their political opponents (Ostracism). And the fact that they voted for the execution of Socrates, even though he wasn't guilty of doing any crime.
That is an unclear answer. For example, if I would replace Russia for China, that would mean that Lukashenko is an ally of China. And that would mean that Biden wouldn't be above purging his slightly unloyal allies.
A clear reiteration of my points would be that Trump is an ally of Russia, Lukashenko is an ally of Russia and the conspiracy theorists on this forum is an ally of Russia.