In Ukraine if Zelenksy's thugs, aka the Territorial Center of Recruitment and Social Support (TCR), stop you and your family doesn't have between $10,000 and $15000 to get you out, you are beaten and then sent to the front to die.
To become a Zelensky thug/recruiter in a small district, you have to pay $50,000 to the government in Kyiv. To operate in the entire region is more, about $150,000 dollars. But, it's a very lucrative business, these thugs live like kings nowadays. Before the war, they got around on motorcycles, now they have very expensive automobiles, and their wives drive Ferraris or Porsches. To be successful these thugs employ methods that are inhumane, including beating, dragging, and in some cases, opening fire on families attempting to protect relatives from forced mobilization. Men, and now more and more women as well, are being seized while walking dogs, riding bicycles, shopping or visiting government offices, with most videos showing agents wearing masks to hide their identities. Regardless, people know who these bastards are and once the war is over and a new government in the country is in place justice will be coming.
Ukraine citizens constantly provide information about TCR to Russia. Sometimes this information is used and TCR buildings destroyed, but Russian command do that rarely.
Seems that Russian command goal is to exterminate as many as possible Ukrainian traitors who could be lured ot forced one way or another to rise an arm against Russians.
There will be no any peace if there will be people in so called Ukraine left who could be lured or forced to attack Russians again, because there is an unlimited desire of Western warmongers to wage a war against Russia by someone else hands. If there will be no chance to find anybody in Ukraine to attack Russians, then the whole point of Ukraine existence will be void, and war will be ended forever.
Grinding everywone who one way or another but agreed to shoot Russians is what happening. There is an easy way for conscripted to survive left. Shoot a commander and surrender. Prove by decisive action, that you don't want to shoot Russians, and live your life.
The war is not about some LARP state of Ukraine, but about punishing all traitors who decided that it is appropriate to hate and kill their own in exchange for some imaginary promises of "European values".
At least this theory fully explains specific pace and methods of waging this war from Russian side and align with declared desire to "resolve root causes of conflict".
What "European values"? providing money & assistance to a corrupt government in Kyiv who proves on a daily bases they don't care about their own citizens is just as evil. It makes the Europeans complicit in the crimes Zelensky's thugs commit every single day in Ukraine.
There are thousands of videos uploaded by Ukrainians of men, and now even women, being literally kidnaped from the streets, from their homes and shoved into vans. Definitely not all Russian propaganda as most of the media in the West try to brush it off as. If these monsters can do such horrible things against their own people, I hate to even think how they treat the prisoners of war.
Those that was promised in devastated after USSR fall Ukrainian SSR to its population in exchange for renunciation of their Russian origins and etnicity and accepting all stupid things like "Ukraine is not Russia", "Ukrainian language" and so on. The goal was to separate Russians into two groups and force this smaller south group to hate another.
Many fall to this crap.
But significant part of Ukrainian USSR rised and resisted.
There are thousands of videos uploaded by Ukrainians of men, and now even women, being literally kidnaped from the streets, from their homes and shoved into vans.
Yes, that's how things going on so called Ukraine. Aren't that the same LARPers who imagined that they are that fictional Ukrainians and constantly shout on their Maidans that they are not slaves like those Orcs in Russia? Those that didn't rise against that bullshit like East and Crimea.
So, it is what they voted for, alongside that false EU ascension promises and EU salaries.
There are tons of ammunition circulating on Ukraine, there is no any problem to buy an AK much cheaper than a one-time bribe to TCR. They are not slaves, are they? Don't want to be killed on the frontline? Take a gun, shot a TCR. Problem solved. It's a small towns, everybody know who TCR's are, where they live and where their families hide. And again - they are not slaves, like us, are they?
But somehow, all those conscripted decide that it is better to go and kill Russians than to kill Zelensky TCR. OK, no problem. They made their choice.
This will continue until every Ukrainian LARPer eventually recall that he doesn't belong to this fictional etnicity and his place not in degrading Europe, but in Russia, as he should be.
This is not the first (and not even second or third) attempt of the Europe to cut Russia southern outskirts (Ukraine literally means "outskirts" in every slavic language) and use them as a launchpad for a war against us. This always ended bad for those who took European side. For nearly eight ceturies. Each tine the same shit. Seems that Russian bureaucrats finally decided to make current attempt a last and final one, and truly resolve the issue once and for all.
Those who will recall their roots and rise against traitors have chances, as always was there. Those who want to continue play that LARP with "Ukrainians", "Ukrainian language", "Ukrainian nation", "Ukraine is not Russia" and so on, are fully deserve all that crap West do with them. They betrayed their Russian ancestry and wanted their beloved "European values" - they can enjoy them.
It's a sad situation, of course, and even traitors doesn't deserve what the West doing with them, but that's what we have for now. And it should be clear that if this situation with traitors in Russian nation will not be resolved, that shit will happen again and again.
Most westoids are utterly ignorant and unreceptive to pre-2022 history of okraina. On top of that, no matter how much you try to teach them that «русский» and «россиянин» are two very different words meaning different things, they can't seem to grok it, individually or collectively.
Kudos for trying though.
It's not just ignorance, it is a whole system of world view that was carefully built and stabilised for centuries.
It is interesting to find out in such conversations, what anchors was used to limit such world view to the specific western one.
That thing about "nation" and "nationality" is one of such anchors, that prevents meaningful conversations in many areas. They took latin "nation" which is literal equivalent to greek "etnicity" and construct a whole new meaning for the word. "Ethnic" was converted to something near "folk" as in "folk-music". So, it is become just impossible to have a sensible dialogue in English (and some other European languages) on many topics about many important things.
Similar things was done in other areas. So, people of Western countries are effectively cut from even thinking about many thing we assume absolutely normal.
Looking at all that crap I began to think that Soviet propagandists was harmless infants in comparison with Western propaganda industry.
>a whole system of world view
That's a different issue entirely, as you note already, it is rooted in linguistics. По-рюсски могете? Сундакова смотрите/слушаете? Not that he's the final authority on any anthropological matter but he's got some valid insights into why things the way they are, especially if considered with a slew of other shit in that field.
>propaganda industry
Yes and no. Soviets, and Russians in general, were much subtler, imo. Are you familiar with the works of Bernays and Lippmann? That's where it all stems from. I can't say if the Soviets inherited any of it, if so, externally they applied it very gently, imo. Internally is a whole natha story, besides, there's Lenin's methodology, iirc...
And then of course the western, especially American, egocentric view of the world, aka western liberalism. And you are absolutely right to point out the origins of the "lost in translation".
Ваще не в курсе кто такой. Я не любитель этих говорящих голов. Как-то все сдулись давным-давно, даже Фурсова какого-нибудь слушать тупо скучно. Никакой новой и полезной информации.
Soviets, and Russians in general, were much subtler, imo.
I think they mostly tried to actually argue population into desired point of view, instead of using tricks.
Are you familiar with the works of Bernays and Lippmann?
IDK. In the past I read a lot of random things about all that stuff, from NLP, marketing and PR to propaganda philosophers and some "serious" sociologists and may be mentioned ones was among autrhors, I just don't remember.
I found all that stuff mostly useless, unscientific and full of weird artificial language to describe simple things. I found that strange amateur book "Religion of Money" written by IT engineer (by his own statements, that seem to be acknowledged by specific nuances in language) Dmitry Nevidimov explains how marketing and propaganda really works much better than all that "serious" stuff I ever read.
That's where it all stems from. I can't say if the Soviets inherited any of it, if so, externally they applied it very gently, imo. Internally is a whole natha story, besides, there's Lenin's methodology, iirc...
Yep, metodology, scientific approach, theories as foundation and so on, designed for conscious audience. Something like that. Funny, that after many decades, some things we accounted as Soviet propaganda, looks like prophecies from distant past that came true today. :)
>looks like prophecies
and that is, imo, it's important to understand the underlying mechanics of how the world around us operates, whether it's natural phenomena or human activity. in the end, it all leads to higher survivability of one's lineage, or, in other words, closer proximity to achieving one's purpose, regardless of what ideas we may have about the nature of this world, be it a simulation of God's creation or random ass nonsensical chemical reaction.
What area in the North? I'm aware of Uman, but that's a city in central Ukraine, the Cherkasy Oblast. Which serves as the primary pilgrimage site for Breslov Hasidic Jëws.
IMO, they're not going to move in now, while there is still an armed conflict in Ukraine. They'll wait until the time is right. When both sides have been exhausted by this brutal war.
In Ukraine if Zelenksy's thugs, aka the Territorial Center of Recruitment and Social Support (TCR), stop you and your family doesn't have between $10,000 and $15000 to get you out, you are beaten and then sent to the front to die.
To become a Zelensky thug/recruiter in a small district, you have to pay $50,000 to the government in Kyiv. To operate in the entire region is more, about $150,000 dollars. But, it's a very lucrative business, these thugs live like kings nowadays. Before the war, they got around on motorcycles, now they have very expensive automobiles, and their wives drive Ferraris or Porsches. To be successful these thugs employ methods that are inhumane, including beating, dragging, and in some cases, opening fire on families attempting to protect relatives from forced mobilization. Men, and now more and more women as well, are being seized while walking dogs, riding bicycles, shopping or visiting government offices, with most videos showing agents wearing masks to hide their identities. Regardless, people know who these bastards are and once the war is over and a new government in the country is in place justice will be coming.
Ukraine citizens constantly provide information about TCR to Russia. Sometimes this information is used and TCR buildings destroyed, but Russian command do that rarely.
Seems that Russian command goal is to exterminate as many as possible Ukrainian traitors who could be lured ot forced one way or another to rise an arm against Russians.
There will be no any peace if there will be people in so called Ukraine left who could be lured or forced to attack Russians again, because there is an unlimited desire of Western warmongers to wage a war against Russia by someone else hands. If there will be no chance to find anybody in Ukraine to attack Russians, then the whole point of Ukraine existence will be void, and war will be ended forever.
Grinding everywone who one way or another but agreed to shoot Russians is what happening. There is an easy way for conscripted to survive left. Shoot a commander and surrender. Prove by decisive action, that you don't want to shoot Russians, and live your life.
The war is not about some LARP state of Ukraine, but about punishing all traitors who decided that it is appropriate to hate and kill their own in exchange for some imaginary promises of "European values".
At least this theory fully explains specific pace and methods of waging this war from Russian side and align with declared desire to "resolve root causes of conflict".
What "European values"? providing money & assistance to a corrupt government in Kyiv who proves on a daily bases they don't care about their own citizens is just as evil. It makes the Europeans complicit in the crimes Zelensky's thugs commit every single day in Ukraine.
There are thousands of videos uploaded by Ukrainians of men, and now even women, being literally kidnaped from the streets, from their homes and shoved into vans. Definitely not all Russian propaganda as most of the media in the West try to brush it off as. If these monsters can do such horrible things against their own people, I hate to even think how they treat the prisoners of war.
Those that was promised in devastated after USSR fall Ukrainian SSR to its population in exchange for renunciation of their Russian origins and etnicity and accepting all stupid things like "Ukraine is not Russia", "Ukrainian language" and so on. The goal was to separate Russians into two groups and force this smaller south group to hate another.
Many fall to this crap.
But significant part of Ukrainian USSR rised and resisted.
Yes, that's how things going on so called Ukraine. Aren't that the same LARPers who imagined that they are that fictional Ukrainians and constantly shout on their Maidans that they are not slaves like those Orcs in Russia? Those that didn't rise against that bullshit like East and Crimea.
So, it is what they voted for, alongside that false EU ascension promises and EU salaries.
There are tons of ammunition circulating on Ukraine, there is no any problem to buy an AK much cheaper than a one-time bribe to TCR. They are not slaves, are they? Don't want to be killed on the frontline? Take a gun, shot a TCR. Problem solved. It's a small towns, everybody know who TCR's are, where they live and where their families hide. And again - they are not slaves, like us, are they?
But somehow, all those conscripted decide that it is better to go and kill Russians than to kill Zelensky TCR. OK, no problem. They made their choice.
This will continue until every Ukrainian LARPer eventually recall that he doesn't belong to this fictional etnicity and his place not in degrading Europe, but in Russia, as he should be.
This is not the first (and not even second or third) attempt of the Europe to cut Russia southern outskirts (Ukraine literally means "outskirts" in every slavic language) and use them as a launchpad for a war against us. This always ended bad for those who took European side. For nearly eight ceturies. Each tine the same shit. Seems that Russian bureaucrats finally decided to make current attempt a last and final one, and truly resolve the issue once and for all.
Those who will recall their roots and rise against traitors have chances, as always was there. Those who want to continue play that LARP with "Ukrainians", "Ukrainian language", "Ukrainian nation", "Ukraine is not Russia" and so on, are fully deserve all that crap West do with them. They betrayed their Russian ancestry and wanted their beloved "European values" - they can enjoy them.
It's a sad situation, of course, and even traitors doesn't deserve what the West doing with them, but that's what we have for now. And it should be clear that if this situation with traitors in Russian nation will not be resolved, that shit will happen again and again.
Most westoids are utterly ignorant and unreceptive to pre-2022 history of okraina. On top of that, no matter how much you try to teach them that «русский» and «россиянин» are two very different words meaning different things, they can't seem to grok it, individually or collectively.
Kudos for trying though.
It's not just ignorance, it is a whole system of world view that was carefully built and stabilised for centuries.
It is interesting to find out in such conversations, what anchors was used to limit such world view to the specific western one.
That thing about "nation" and "nationality" is one of such anchors, that prevents meaningful conversations in many areas. They took latin "nation" which is literal equivalent to greek "etnicity" and construct a whole new meaning for the word. "Ethnic" was converted to something near "folk" as in "folk-music". So, it is become just impossible to have a sensible dialogue in English (and some other European languages) on many topics about many important things.
Similar things was done in other areas. So, people of Western countries are effectively cut from even thinking about many thing we assume absolutely normal.
Looking at all that crap I began to think that Soviet propagandists was harmless infants in comparison with Western propaganda industry.
>a whole system of world view
That's a different issue entirely, as you note already, it is rooted in linguistics. По-рюсски могете? Сундакова смотрите/слушаете? Not that he's the final authority on any anthropological matter but he's got some valid insights into why things the way they are, especially if considered with a slew of other shit in that field.
>propaganda industry
Yes and no. Soviets, and Russians in general, were much subtler, imo. Are you familiar with the works of Bernays and Lippmann? That's where it all stems from. I can't say if the Soviets inherited any of it, if so, externally they applied it very gently, imo. Internally is a whole natha story, besides, there's Lenin's methodology, iirc...
And then of course the western, especially American, egocentric view of the world, aka western liberalism. And you are absolutely right to point out the origins of the "lost in translation".
Ваще не в курсе кто такой. Я не любитель этих говорящих голов. Как-то все сдулись давным-давно, даже Фурсова какого-нибудь слушать тупо скучно. Никакой новой и полезной информации.
I think they mostly tried to actually argue population into desired point of view, instead of using tricks.
IDK. In the past I read a lot of random things about all that stuff, from NLP, marketing and PR to propaganda philosophers and some "serious" sociologists and may be mentioned ones was among autrhors, I just don't remember.
I found all that stuff mostly useless, unscientific and full of weird artificial language to describe simple things. I found that strange amateur book "Religion of Money" written by IT engineer (by his own statements, that seem to be acknowledged by specific nuances in language) Dmitry Nevidimov explains how marketing and propaganda really works much better than all that "serious" stuff I ever read.
Yep, metodology, scientific approach, theories as foundation and so on, designed for conscious audience. Something like that. Funny, that after many decades, some things we accounted as Soviet propaganda, looks like prophecies from distant past that came true today. :)
>Сундаков
https://youtu.be/tYdj5ALBUW0?t=47
>looks like prophecies
and that is, imo, it's important to understand the underlying mechanics of how the world around us operates, whether it's natural phenomena or human activity. in the end, it all leads to higher survivability of one's lineage, or, in other words, closer proximity to achieving one's purpose, regardless of what ideas we may have about the nature of this world, be it a simulation of God's creation or random ass nonsensical chemical reaction.
The )ews have already moved in to Ukraine and have taken over parts of the north.
What area in the North? I'm aware of Uman, but that's a city in central Ukraine, the Cherkasy Oblast. Which serves as the primary pilgrimage site for Breslov Hasidic Jëws.
IMO, they're not going to move in now, while there is still an armed conflict in Ukraine. They'll wait until the time is right. When both sides have been exhausted by this brutal war.
white people are so civilized!
impressive.