And again this "Holodomor" bullshit... There was no any "Ukrainian Holodomor"... Where did you get all this bullshit, really? Is that's what in your history books? If so, my condolenses
I'm surprised you ask this question. Holodomor may or may not have happened, but it's not what you're stating. I also take offence to the use of "condolences" here. Totally uncalled for.
There are so many links regarding Holodomor, I don't even know where to start. How about one of my non-favourites, Wikipedia?
I know a lot about that part of the world. Many things were artificially created, books were burned, history was re-written and people were lied to. If you want to have a decent discussion about this that's fine. But you stick to nonsense like "Holodomor bullshit" and "condolences" I have no interest in talking to you any further.
There is no any sense in discussion about political fantasies created by western propaganda.
There are so many links regarding Holodomor, I don't even know where to start.
Start, f.e. from finding out what "Ukraine" means in any slavic language. Or from the true meaning of the word "deal" in Russian (its the most funny thing in current western politics, meanwhile).
Citing western propaganda resources can't help here. In the same sources, suddenly, homosexualism is not a mental disease too.
Everything you know about Russia, you know from its worst enemies. Just like anything you know about China, Iran, India and so on. Just like anything you know about most part of the world.
There is no any sense in discussion about political fantasies created by western propaganda
It's not what I said. I told you I know a lot about that part of the world. I also know quite a bit about Western propaganda. I said a discussion...
Start, f.e. from finding out what "Ukraine" means in any slavic language
I know what that means. The accepted definition of the word "Ukraine" in the Slavic language is "region, principality, the land around". I would say the term “Ukraine” is the old Russian word “Okraina” (periphery).
The Ukrainian coat of arms (the Trident), which dates back to the 10th century. It has origins in Staraya Ladoga, a locality in the Leningrad Oblast (Northern Russia). The Coat of arms of the city of Staraya Ladoga is the coat of arms of the family Rurikovich. It's probably unpleasant for Ukrainians, but it's a fact. The Ukrainian modern coat of arms is a stylized coat of arms of the Rurikovich family. Those who founded cities in the north of Russia, and then went to conquer the southern territories, around 800 AD. So it turns out that Staraya Ladoga is the mother of all Ukrainian cities.
Citing western propaganda resources
I never said I believe what Western propaganda pushes. But, I also know what Soviet propaganda pushed as well, and it's not that much different. When you twist the truth you end up with a lie. No matter how you look at it.
Everything you know about Russia, you know from its worst enemies. Just like anything you know about China, Iran, India
You have no idea what I know... you should ask questions, not make stupid comments.
Again, my condolenses.
Mind boggling, and I just warned you to stop this nonsense. Why do you keep going?
. The accepted definition of the word "Ukraine" in the Slavic language is"region, principality, the land around". I would say the term “Ukraine” is the old Russian word “Okraina” (periphery).
It is literally "outskirts". Now tell me, in what universe any nation will ever name their country Outskirts and themselves as Outskirters? You don't need to be a genius to understand that it is a totally external invention of some arrogant dumbfucks who didn't even try to understand what that means.
All that thing is a total LARP, where everything was created by those who are not very bright.
Holodomor is 1990s invention loosely based on the famine that struck mostly Volga and Don regilons on the south of Russia in 1930s, thanks to Jewish attempts to fix food shortages due to the previous crop-failure. This famine touched Dnepr regions too, but much less than Volga and Don. Western regions of modern Ukraine wasm't even in Ukrainian SSR borders at the time, so there was no any famine in a half of modern Ukraine state.
This famine was in no way specific to Ukrainian SSR, and was stopped exactly when Stalin finally took over the Jewsih trotskists and began to exterminate them in mid-1930s.
There was no any famines on the territory controlled by USSR since then, even diring WWII. Stalin was a total control freak, but not like those you could think about, He literally studied everything as deep as possible on the matter he want to control, he got into all science and everything regarding the matter. Metallurgy, architecture, agriculture, etc. - he doesn't rely on experts or whatever, he really know thing in deep and understand how it works. It was Stalin who build the whole system of food production and logistics in the giant country, and Russia still use it in slightly modified form according to modern realities. There is still state food reserve storages, state controlled logistics, state research and prediction institutes that guarantee food security for the country. There was attempt to destroy that system after the USSR fall, but hopefully it didn't pass the point of no-retrun. However, western politicians still believe that their 1990s plans to destroy Russian food secirity worked and that is why they are still imposing their stupid and senseless sanctions in the hope to provoke yet another famine in Russia making propaganda about how there is nothing in groceries here.
So, blaming "Ukrainian Holodomor" on the Stalin is just a yet another stupid thing invented in some western "think tank" for propaganda. There was no such thing as "Ukrainian Holodomor", and Stalin was the one who not only stopped it, and punished perpetuatros (some of them flee to USA and now their offsprings with same surnames create disasters in US), but did everything to make it impossible in future.
So it turns out that Staraya Ladoga is the mother of all Ukrainian cities.
There is no such thing as "Ukrainian cities". All cities in modern Ukraine was build by Russians, Poles or Hungarians. there was no such thing as "Ukrainian" until Lenin created Ukrainian SSR and officially adopted "Ukrainian" as a name for inhabitants of Ukrainian SSR, so creating kind of Ukrainian identity. Before, "Ukrainian" was kind of humorous nickname, exactly like "Outskirter". People who lived there was officially Malorussians before and accounted themselves Russians.
"Ukrainian language" was invented by bored Russian aristocrat Kotlarevsky just for lulz in 1791, for his remake of Greek Eneide. He took some peasant slang words, invented other half and wrote an humorous version of Eneide using thispeasant and invented words, attaching "Vocabulary of Ukrainian Language" in the end. This was the first place where "Ukrainian Language" was ever mentioned. Then, it was forgotten until Revolution. In reality, there was Malorussian dialect of Russian language, among Belorussian and Velikorussian dialects. After 1991, it was decided that Soviet version of "Ukrainian Language" was not different enough from Russian, so in few years thousands of words in Soviet Ukrainian was replaced with new ones, from any language, with one criteria - this word shouldn't sound like Russian. But the idiots who did that didn't know that languages is different not only by words used, but also by grammar. So, instead of a new languge they got bastardised Russian. Even those who create Klingon language for StarTrek series made a much better job.
Ukraine is a giant LARP created by Russia enemies from nowhere.
That's exactly what I said, periphery or outskirts. Ukraine is an entity that has been "artificially" created. Here you can see the territories which were annexed by Lenin in 1922, Stalin in 1939 and 1945, and Khrushchev in 1954 (Crimea). What is not shown in the map in this article, Stalin also annexed Bessarabia from Romania in 1940 along with Northern Bukovina (or Bucovina).
Bessarabia forms the southwestern corner of Ukraine, lying between the rivers Dniester and Danube, with Moldova to the north and Romania to the west. It became part of Russia in 1812 (Treaty of Bucharest). Then Romania annexed Bessarabia in 1919, and was part of that country until 1940. That's where Victoria Nuland has roots. Nuland is Jewish and the family’s original surname was Nudelman. She's married to Robert Kagan, so her name should be Victoria Nudelman Kagan, but that sounds so Rabbinical. So, her father Sherwin Nudelman, is the son of Bessarabian/Ukrainian Jewish immigrants.
So, blaming "Ukrainian Holodomor" on the Stalin is just a yet another stupid thing invented
I didn't blame Stalin. What I said it was Lazar Kaganovich who in 1932-1933 helped enforce grain quotas in Ukraine which contributed to the Holodomor famine. Now, you don't want to call it Holodomor, it's probably a made up term used for propaganda. I don't disagree with you there, that's why I said "Holodomor may or may not have happened". But, Kaganovich was a lying and murdering Jew who knew exactly what he was doing. For his ruthlessness he was nicknamed “Iron Lazar”. He was a butcher of Christian Russians during the late 1920s and early 1930s when the Kremlin launched its war against the kulaks (small landowners who were Christians) and implemented a ruthless policy of land collectivization. The resulting state-organized forced famine, was a planned genocide and killed 7,000,000 Ukrainians between 1932 and 1933, and inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic of Kazakhstan. And other parts of the Soviet Union.
"Ukrainian language" was invented
I agree with you here. Everything about Ukraine is artificial, including the language. Even charlatan Volodymyr Zelensky spoke Russian before Ukrainian because he grew up speaking Russian. He was born into a Russian-speaking Jewish family in Kryvyi Rih.
Ukraine is a giant LARP created by Russia enemies from nowhere
And who do you think are Russia enemies? IMO, they're the same enemies Russia had for over 1,000 years. Ever since the Russian prince Svyatoslav Igorevich defeated the Khazar army and took the capital of the Khazar Kaganate, Itil.
I'm surprised you ask this question. Holodomor may or may not have happened, but it's not what you're stating. I also take offence to the use of "condolences" here. Totally uncalled for.
There are so many links regarding Holodomor, I don't even know where to start. How about one of my non-favourites, Wikipedia?
I know a lot about that part of the world. Many things were artificially created, books were burned, history was re-written and people were lied to. If you want to have a decent discussion about this that's fine. But you stick to nonsense like "Holodomor bullshit" and "condolences" I have no interest in talking to you any further.
There is no any sense in discussion about political fantasies created by western propaganda.
Start, f.e. from finding out what "Ukraine" means in any slavic language. Or from the true meaning of the word "deal" in Russian (its the most funny thing in current western politics, meanwhile).
Citing western propaganda resources can't help here. In the same sources, suddenly, homosexualism is not a mental disease too.
Everything you know about Russia, you know from its worst enemies. Just like anything you know about China, Iran, India and so on. Just like anything you know about most part of the world.
Again, my condolenses.
It's not what I said. I told you I know a lot about that part of the world. I also know quite a bit about Western propaganda. I said a discussion...
I know what that means. The accepted definition of the word "Ukraine" in the Slavic language is "region, principality, the land around". I would say the term “Ukraine” is the old Russian word “Okraina” (periphery).
The Ukrainian coat of arms (the Trident), which dates back to the 10th century. It has origins in Staraya Ladoga, a locality in the Leningrad Oblast (Northern Russia). The Coat of arms of the city of Staraya Ladoga is the coat of arms of the family Rurikovich. It's probably unpleasant for Ukrainians, but it's a fact. The Ukrainian modern coat of arms is a stylized coat of arms of the Rurikovich family. Those who founded cities in the north of Russia, and then went to conquer the southern territories, around 800 AD. So it turns out that Staraya Ladoga is the mother of all Ukrainian cities.
I never said I believe what Western propaganda pushes. But, I also know what Soviet propaganda pushed as well, and it's not that much different. When you twist the truth you end up with a lie. No matter how you look at it.
You have no idea what I know... you should ask questions, not make stupid comments.
Mind boggling, and I just warned you to stop this nonsense. Why do you keep going?
. The accepted definition of the word "Ukraine" in the Slavic language is"region, principality, the land around". I would say the term “Ukraine” is the old Russian word “Okraina” (periphery).
It is literally "outskirts". Now tell me, in what universe any nation will ever name their country Outskirts and themselves as Outskirters? You don't need to be a genius to understand that it is a totally external invention of some arrogant dumbfucks who didn't even try to understand what that means.
All that thing is a total LARP, where everything was created by those who are not very bright.
Holodomor is 1990s invention loosely based on the famine that struck mostly Volga and Don regilons on the south of Russia in 1930s, thanks to Jewish attempts to fix food shortages due to the previous crop-failure. This famine touched Dnepr regions too, but much less than Volga and Don. Western regions of modern Ukraine wasm't even in Ukrainian SSR borders at the time, so there was no any famine in a half of modern Ukraine state.
This famine was in no way specific to Ukrainian SSR, and was stopped exactly when Stalin finally took over the Jewsih trotskists and began to exterminate them in mid-1930s.
There was no any famines on the territory controlled by USSR since then, even diring WWII. Stalin was a total control freak, but not like those you could think about, He literally studied everything as deep as possible on the matter he want to control, he got into all science and everything regarding the matter. Metallurgy, architecture, agriculture, etc. - he doesn't rely on experts or whatever, he really know thing in deep and understand how it works. It was Stalin who build the whole system of food production and logistics in the giant country, and Russia still use it in slightly modified form according to modern realities. There is still state food reserve storages, state controlled logistics, state research and prediction institutes that guarantee food security for the country. There was attempt to destroy that system after the USSR fall, but hopefully it didn't pass the point of no-retrun. However, western politicians still believe that their 1990s plans to destroy Russian food secirity worked and that is why they are still imposing their stupid and senseless sanctions in the hope to provoke yet another famine in Russia making propaganda about how there is nothing in groceries here.
So, blaming "Ukrainian Holodomor" on the Stalin is just a yet another stupid thing invented in some western "think tank" for propaganda. There was no such thing as "Ukrainian Holodomor", and Stalin was the one who not only stopped it, and punished perpetuatros (some of them flee to USA and now their offsprings with same surnames create disasters in US), but did everything to make it impossible in future.
There is no such thing as "Ukrainian cities". All cities in modern Ukraine was build by Russians, Poles or Hungarians. there was no such thing as "Ukrainian" until Lenin created Ukrainian SSR and officially adopted "Ukrainian" as a name for inhabitants of Ukrainian SSR, so creating kind of Ukrainian identity. Before, "Ukrainian" was kind of humorous nickname, exactly like "Outskirter". People who lived there was officially Malorussians before and accounted themselves Russians. "Ukrainian language" was invented by bored Russian aristocrat Kotlarevsky just for lulz in 1791, for his remake of Greek Eneide. He took some peasant slang words, invented other half and wrote an humorous version of Eneide using thispeasant and invented words, attaching "Vocabulary of Ukrainian Language" in the end. This was the first place where "Ukrainian Language" was ever mentioned. Then, it was forgotten until Revolution. In reality, there was Malorussian dialect of Russian language, among Belorussian and Velikorussian dialects. After 1991, it was decided that Soviet version of "Ukrainian Language" was not different enough from Russian, so in few years thousands of words in Soviet Ukrainian was replaced with new ones, from any language, with one criteria - this word shouldn't sound like Russian. But the idiots who did that didn't know that languages is different not only by words used, but also by grammar. So, instead of a new languge they got bastardised Russian. Even those who create Klingon language for StarTrek series made a much better job.
Ukraine is a giant LARP created by Russia enemies from nowhere.
That's exactly what I said, periphery or outskirts. Ukraine is an entity that has been "artificially" created. Here you can see the territories which were annexed by Lenin in 1922, Stalin in 1939 and 1945, and Khrushchev in 1954 (Crimea). What is not shown in the map in this article, Stalin also annexed Bessarabia from Romania in 1940 along with Northern Bukovina (or Bucovina).
Bessarabia forms the southwestern corner of Ukraine, lying between the rivers Dniester and Danube, with Moldova to the north and Romania to the west. It became part of Russia in 1812 (Treaty of Bucharest). Then Romania annexed Bessarabia in 1919, and was part of that country until 1940. That's where Victoria Nuland has roots. Nuland is Jewish and the family’s original surname was Nudelman. She's married to Robert Kagan, so her name should be Victoria Nudelman Kagan, but that sounds so Rabbinical. So, her father Sherwin Nudelman, is the son of Bessarabian/Ukrainian Jewish immigrants.
I didn't blame Stalin. What I said it was Lazar Kaganovich who in 1932-1933 helped enforce grain quotas in Ukraine which contributed to the Holodomor famine. Now, you don't want to call it Holodomor, it's probably a made up term used for propaganda. I don't disagree with you there, that's why I said "Holodomor may or may not have happened". But, Kaganovich was a lying and murdering Jew who knew exactly what he was doing. For his ruthlessness he was nicknamed “Iron Lazar”. He was a butcher of Christian Russians during the late 1920s and early 1930s when the Kremlin launched its war against the kulaks (small landowners who were Christians) and implemented a ruthless policy of land collectivization. The resulting state-organized forced famine, was a planned genocide and killed 7,000,000 Ukrainians between 1932 and 1933, and inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic of Kazakhstan. And other parts of the Soviet Union.
I agree with you here. Everything about Ukraine is artificial, including the language. Even charlatan Volodymyr Zelensky spoke Russian before Ukrainian because he grew up speaking Russian. He was born into a Russian-speaking Jewish family in Kryvyi Rih.
And who do you think are Russia enemies? IMO, they're the same enemies Russia had for over 1,000 years. Ever since the Russian prince Svyatoslav Igorevich defeated the Khazar army and took the capital of the Khazar Kaganate, Itil.