Interesting question. Let me tell you a story, I was travelling from Jerusalem to Damascus one day. And all of a sudden I was blinded for three days after seeing a blinding light. So, my journey was interrupted when I saw this blinding light, and I started communicating directly with a divine voice. And the voice told me Paul "the apostle of Christ" was born Saul of Tarsus in 5 AD in Tarsus, Cilicia, then part of the Roman Empire (now South central Turkey).
And I was amazed. Then I heard another voice which said to me never mind about Paul, aka Saint Paul, aka Paul the Apostle, aka Saul of Tarsus... it's just a fictitious character. It was all made up.
What Paul did changed so many lives for the better.
What a wonderful World we have, and you're telling me we all should give thanks to Paul.
OK. Thanks Paul for a genocide happening right in front of our eyes, for an ongoing war in Eastern Europe where millions of Slavs (most of them Christians) have been killed or maimed, for Burkina Faso where violence has continued to be a massive problem for followers of Jesus, for the killings in Nigeria where attacks on Christians are rampant.
And before I forget, thanks Paul for the situation in Middle East where Israel has bombed 5 countries, in addition to leveling Gaza and destroying or taking over a lot of the West Bank, and where US has sent an armada next to the shores of Iran. Where another war is about to start.
Thanks Paul for Venezuela, Argentina and Chile where the countries are falling into chaos. Thanks for Europe where people can't afford to stay warm in the winter and are freezing to death. And the list can go on and on and on... but enough thanks for time being.
a genocide happening right in front of our eyes, for an ongoing war in Eastern Europe where millions of Slavs (most of them Christians) have been killed or maimed, for Burkina Faso where violence has continued to be a massive problem for followers of Jesus, for the killings in Nigeria where attacks on Christians are rampant. the situation in Middle East where, in addition to leveling and destroying stuff, and where US has sent an armada next to the shores of Iran. Where another war is about to start. Venezuela, Argentina and Chile where the countries are falling into chaos. Europe where people can't afford to stay warm in the winter and are freezing to death.
All because adam and eve broke the ONE AND ONLY rule they had. Everything you list is because humans don't like believing and following God and loving others.
All because adam and eve broke the ONE AND ONLY rule they had
Are you saying this with a straight face? the misery, suffering, pain we/Humanity have had to endure for thousands of years, and something we can see, hear, feel and experience ourselves today... all these because a couple took a bite of an apple (or whatever fruit you want) thousands of years ago?
I do know what Christians believe. We try to become like God by eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge, back in the Garden of Eden. And ever since, God has been angry with us. We are stained by original sin and we cannot redeem ourselves no matter what we do. So Jesus being the son of God decides he must come to planet Earth and take a human form and sacrifice himself as a scapegoat in order to redeem us in the eyes of God. That's the plan. God sends his son to earth to die so that humanity can be forgiven.
This is the official story that you see in the Bible. And this is what most Christians believe. But there are enormous problems with this story. Problems that most people never think about because they've been taught to accept it on faith. However, I don't think it's something you're willing to hear.
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both.
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;
Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
It seems you have some choice to make.
Either you believe God and the info He gave us or you believe the devils who do nothing but accuse.. I've made my choice.
I figured that much already. I'm just not sure why you want to have a religious conversation with me. I strongly suspect your "way of Jesus" and mine are not only different, but exactly opposite.
I'm not exactly sure what made you change your mind, but I agree with your statement: "religious people have stupid fights over the most irrelevant shit". However I'm not a religious person. And I don't really want to fight with anyone, and also I don't judge anybody.
Interesting question. Let me tell you a story, I was travelling from Jerusalem to Damascus one day. And all of a sudden I was blinded for three days after seeing a blinding light. So, my journey was interrupted when I saw this blinding light, and I started communicating directly with a divine voice. And the voice told me Paul "the apostle of Christ" was born Saul of Tarsus in 5 AD in Tarsus, Cilicia, then part of the Roman Empire (now South central Turkey).
And I was amazed. Then I heard another voice which said to me never mind about Paul, aka Saint Paul, aka Paul the Apostle, aka Saul of Tarsus... it's just a fictitious character. It was all made up.
What Paul did changed so many lives for the better. Let's see what good things you think atheism is supposed to bring.
What a wonderful World we have, and you're telling me we all should give thanks to Paul.
OK. Thanks Paul for a genocide happening right in front of our eyes, for an ongoing war in Eastern Europe where millions of Slavs (most of them Christians) have been killed or maimed, for Burkina Faso where violence has continued to be a massive problem for followers of Jesus, for the killings in Nigeria where attacks on Christians are rampant.
And before I forget, thanks Paul for the situation in Middle East where Israel has bombed 5 countries, in addition to leveling Gaza and destroying or taking over a lot of the West Bank, and where US has sent an armada next to the shores of Iran. Where another war is about to start.
Thanks Paul for Venezuela, Argentina and Chile where the countries are falling into chaos. Thanks for Europe where people can't afford to stay warm in the winter and are freezing to death. And the list can go on and on and on... but enough thanks for time being.
All because adam and eve broke the ONE AND ONLY rule they had. Everything you list is because humans don't like believing and following God and loving others.
Are you saying this with a straight face? the misery, suffering, pain we/Humanity have had to endure for thousands of years, and something we can see, hear, feel and experience ourselves today... all these because a couple took a bite of an apple (or whatever fruit you want) thousands of years ago?
I do know what Christians believe. We try to become like God by eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge, back in the Garden of Eden. And ever since, God has been angry with us. We are stained by original sin and we cannot redeem ourselves no matter what we do. So Jesus being the son of God decides he must come to planet Earth and take a human form and sacrifice himself as a scapegoat in order to redeem us in the eyes of God. That's the plan. God sends his son to earth to die so that humanity can be forgiven.
This is the official story that you see in the Bible. And this is what most Christians believe. But there are enormous problems with this story. Problems that most people never think about because they've been taught to accept it on faith. However, I don't think it's something you're willing to hear.
The Road Not Taken by Robert Frost
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both.
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;
Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
It seems you have some choice to make.
Either you believe God and the info He gave us or you believe the devils who do nothing but accuse.. I've made my choice.
Are you and guywholikesDjtof2024 working together? part of the same team? which denomination do you belong to?
I'm with no denomination, I'm a follower of the Way of Jesus Christ. I hope you think on my words to you.
I figured that much already. I'm just not sure why you want to have a religious conversation with me. I strongly suspect your "way of Jesus" and mine are not only different, but exactly opposite.
You got me there, I can't lie.
??? can you be more specific.
I was about to say how religious people have stupid fights over the most irrelevant shit, then I read the last line.
I'm not exactly sure what made you change your mind, but I agree with your statement: "religious people have stupid fights over the most irrelevant shit". However I'm not a religious person. And I don't really want to fight with anyone, and also I don't judge anybody.