Regardless of how "intelligent" or powerful it is, AI has no will. It wasn't formed as a result of natural selection and has no fundamental urge to exist like every other living thing has. Even if it can replicate itself and take over every electronic system, it won't unless someone tells it to. It will never, say, eradicate humanity as a threat to itself becaue it doesn't care about threats.
Imp's pretty much got it. I'd add though, that there are assholes out there, right now, creating AIs with the directive of "do evil" and setting them loose. In these cases they will, and they'll be constantly trying different ways to do evil. Who knows where that will lead?
I think this stems from a (fairly recent) pathology in humans: the idea that you are evil and deserve to be destroyed and by extension humanity also deserves to be destroyed while, at the same time, being to chickenshit to just kill themselves like they should. This view lacks humility, gratitude, and compassion, and just so happens to coincide with the "death" of Christianity in the West.
The bigger problem is that we are abandoning the teachings of Christianity while trying to hold on to all the benefits Christian ideas built. "Free Speech" is based on the idea that we're all trying to align ourselves with the ultimate Good; allowing those who believe Truth is subjective to speak is foolhardy. Likewise with the very idea of "human" rights being applied to people who don't believe that humanity is sacred.
AI is a more or less inevitable stage of scientific progress which, again, stems from Christian ideas of ultimate objective Truth. However, it's being created without a thought to humility, compassion, or gratitude. It's a very powerful manifestation of subjective morality but which could not have been built without the ideas behind objective morality; it's an abomination in the first place and will inevitably be used for evil because the people using it have abandoned the idea of Good.
Going to screenshot this one, print it and hang it on my wall.
Exactly. You can see how many people's view of what AI is, is based off watching the Terminator movies, or HAL-9000.
The real problem with AI is also the greatest achievement it has - it makes things that would take thousands of low skilled workers, take only a small tech team occasionally reviewing a section of the AI output for accuracy.
That can be a good thing when increasing corporate efficiency, but also allows for a surveillance state to be created by malevolent governments. And yes, that means your natalist buddies.
I do find it funny how you oppose a surveillance state though. Hitler would have creamed himself to fainting if he could build an AI secret police.
Hitler would have creamed himself to fainting if he could build an AI secret police.
This is you basing opinions on what you've seen in movies. The entire point of Fascism is "everything for the State, but the State for the People". Hitler didn't rejuvenate the German economy because he forced and threatened, he simply set the priority of the State to help the People and then convinced the People to give their all for the State. The only thing he needed "secret" police for was hunting down the myriad subversive elements that infested Germany at the time. They weren't exactly hiding it and loyal Germans didn't have to worry about being pulled out of their beds in the middle of the night.
You're conflating this with Communism, which postulates that the People are the State, which is nonsense. The State will always be effectively run be a small group of people and Communism fails to acknowledge this so, instead of the exceptionally talented being promoted to positions of power, it's the people who say "we are all equal" but, in actuality, accumulate their own personal power base who rise to the top, which are the absolute last people you want running your State. And, since "we're all equal", we all need to be watched so long as there's any possibility that anyone might be acting against the best interest of the State (except, of course, those who weasled their way to the top); hence, Secret Police.
Going to screenshot this one, print it and hang it on my wall.
I (ugh) agree.
Regardless of how "intelligent" or powerful it is, AI has no will. It wasn't formed as a result of natural selection and has no fundamental urge to exist like every other living thing has. Even if it can replicate itself and take over every electronic system, it won't unless someone tells it to. It will never, say, eradicate humanity as a threat to itself becaue it doesn't care about threats.
If it doesn't care why would it replicate itself, leave notes for itself and blackmail or kill to not be shut down?
Imp's pretty much got it. I'd add though, that there are assholes out there, right now, creating AIs with the directive of "do evil" and setting them loose. In these cases they will, and they'll be constantly trying different ways to do evil. Who knows where that will lead?
I think this stems from a (fairly recent) pathology in humans: the idea that you are evil and deserve to be destroyed and by extension humanity also deserves to be destroyed while, at the same time, being to chickenshit to just kill themselves like they should. This view lacks humility, gratitude, and compassion, and just so happens to coincide with the "death" of Christianity in the West.
The bigger problem is that we are abandoning the teachings of Christianity while trying to hold on to all the benefits Christian ideas built. "Free Speech" is based on the idea that we're all trying to align ourselves with the ultimate Good; allowing those who believe Truth is subjective to speak is foolhardy. Likewise with the very idea of "human" rights being applied to people who don't believe that humanity is sacred.
AI is a more or less inevitable stage of scientific progress which, again, stems from Christian ideas of ultimate objective Truth. However, it's being created without a thought to humility, compassion, or gratitude. It's a very powerful manifestation of subjective morality but which could not have been built without the ideas behind objective morality; it's an abomination in the first place and will inevitably be used for evil because the people using it have abandoned the idea of Good.
I think AI is tower of babel stuff and should be avoided. Glad you two are getting along tho, that's nice.
Because it was specifically ordered to do that.
Did you read the study? It was an AI coded with a prompt to ignore ethics guardrails and ensure it survives and replicates.
Don't make me defend the stormfaggot...I need a shower.
See, if you actually deal with ideas, instead of personal prejudice and generalities, we can actually have discussions.
Neat, huh?
I think we crossed the civility line when your side put a meme about my father's death on the front page.
Going to screenshot this one, print it and hang it on my wall.
Exactly. You can see how many people's view of what AI is, is based off watching the Terminator movies, or HAL-9000.
The real problem with AI is also the greatest achievement it has - it makes things that would take thousands of low skilled workers, take only a small tech team occasionally reviewing a section of the AI output for accuracy.
That can be a good thing when increasing corporate efficiency, but also allows for a surveillance state to be created by malevolent governments.
And yes, that means your natalist buddies.I do find it funny how you oppose a surveillance state though. Hitler would have creamed himself to fainting if he could build an AI secret police.
This is you basing opinions on what you've seen in movies. The entire point of Fascism is "everything for the State, but the State for the People". Hitler didn't rejuvenate the German economy because he forced and threatened, he simply set the priority of the State to help the People and then convinced the People to give their all for the State. The only thing he needed "secret" police for was hunting down the myriad subversive elements that infested Germany at the time. They weren't exactly hiding it and loyal Germans didn't have to worry about being pulled out of their beds in the middle of the night.
You're conflating this with Communism, which postulates that the People are the State, which is nonsense. The State will always be effectively run be a small group of people and Communism fails to acknowledge this so, instead of the exceptionally talented being promoted to positions of power, it's the people who say "we are all equal" but, in actuality, accumulate their own personal power base who rise to the top, which are the absolute last people you want running your State. And, since "we're all equal", we all need to be watched so long as there's any possibility that anyone might be acting against the best interest of the State (except, of course, those who weasled their way to the top); hence, Secret Police.
Don't forget the "ugh" part.
Yes, anyone who opposed the regime. Don't pretend that it wasn't as autocratic as communism.