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posted 52 days ago by lightupthesequence 52 days ago by lightupthesequence +5 / -5
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– CrazyRussian 2 points 49 days ago +2 / -0

So, if you found it all to be real and believable, then what proof, evidence, or anything to substantiate it do you have? What proof do you have that God incarnated on earth and human sacrificed itself to itself to fix the problem that was its plan to begin with? What's believable about a virgin birth? What proof or evidence do you have that God actually said any of the stuff attributed to it within the Biblical texts? What proof do you have that those books teach God's truth?

You are trying to argue from wrong side.

Even in science everything is based on the set of axioms or hypothesis. Then, you take a look at results. If a theory based on some axiom/hypothesis gives results and predictions that are in good match with reality, and no resilts contradict theory, then you could be sure that you choose right, true set of axioms/hypothesis.

Symbol of Faith is a set of axioms. And church based on that set of axioms show best possible results. It survived unchanged for millenia, it guides our people through all shit imaginable and it effectively prevented the degradation of our souls. If this works, then our set of axioms is true.

If what you stated is true, that good things don't need marketing. Then the mere existence of Christian missionaries would prove Christianity is not a good thing. That Christians force converted the Roman empire in 380 CE shows that it's not a good thing.

You still mix Catolics with Orthodox. Konstantine followed church created by Pavel. Orthodox Church was created by Andrey.

It's obvious that the same person did not write/dictate all of them.

It does not matter. F.e. it is not known if "Zion Elders Protocola" are real or not, and who is true author. But it absolutely does not matter, because they correctly describe everything Jewish cabal do. I don't care who wrote "Zion Elders Protocols", I care about if they are useful and match reality.

In John 2:13-22, the story of Jesus cleansing the temple is put at the beginning of an alleged ministry. In the Synoptic Gospels, the event is put at the end of the ministry.

I don't see any problems here. End of one ministry could be a beginning of a new one. God tried to save Jews from degradation and turning to Satan, but they rejected God's help. So it was pretty logical to destroy specific Jewish-only ministry that does not work and establish a new one for all people of the world.

And so on. You are trying to attack wrong things, just like Jews are trying to prove that "Zion Elders Protocols" are wrong attacking author, but not the content.

I'm perfectly fine with inconsistencies in New Testament, because exactly that make it real. If you ask several people to describe one event they all witnessed, you will get different stories with some unsignificant contradictions. It is perfectly normal and usual thing for humans, because all humans are different. This is exactly how real story told by several people would look like.

On the opposite, when all witnesses tell exactly same story up to the tiny and insignificant details, this is always a clear evidence of conspiracy.

The texts of the OT are to be interpreted symbolically

Old Testament is a combination of some early world history recorded by not very educated people combined with the history of endless Jewish crimes. The latter was the reason of God's last attempt to save that damned tribe from themselves, that described in New Testament, and that ended in Jewish attempt to kill God himself, but eventually turned into a priceless gift to the all people of the world.

You have a strange, verbalistic approach to the thing that is complete opposite of verbalism. You pay all attention to the letters, completely ignoring the essence.

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– CrazyRussian 2 points 44 days ago +2 / -0

You approach to the question of religion from the very strange side, like it is some boring history book. But it is not. Religion is not just a sequence of some events, it is more like physics, but for spiritual world.

And no, history of Russian Orthodox Church is not some fairy tales, it is all perfectly documented through millenia, not only in written documents, but as towns and cities. Unlike some others, we keep our history through times. There was an attempt to erase it since 1917, but it was stopped around 1935, when Stalin finally took full power and almost exterminated Kaganovich when he tried to implement a plan that included destruction of Red Square and famous Church of Vasily Blessed. Unfortunately, Jews already destroyed Church of Christ the Saviour in 1931 as many other churches. But it was eventually restored.

That thing about second cheek, and love of enemy - you seem to be completely blind or have malicious intent, if you can't see that through all our history. This in no way mean unlimited obedience or endless restraint. This is a method to properly separate wheat from the chaff, good from bad, God's from Statan's. And it works perfectly for millenias.

Jews was weighted and separated from normal people two millenia ago. By Jesus, using the same things you try to use as a counter-argument. :) Nobody will ever turn a next cheek, the more so back to them. But they still have a chance to abandon Satan and deeply and sincerely repent for all their crimes, starting from killing God, and up to the last men they cheated with usury.

As I said earlier in this thread, I don't care who and when wrote "Zion Elders Protocols". Much more important that they correctly describe reality. Same with Jesus and Orthodox Christianity. I don't really care about all that "doubts" multiple antichristian shills bring. It works, and works good for me and my people for millenia. And no any "doubts" could change that.

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