I just said it's understandable that alt accusations must fly in a forum of conspiracist anons, no offense, the truth will out.
gatekeep white nationalism
Um, what I say (not necessarily what u/guywholikesDjtof2024 says) is that whites have every right to nationalism like any other people, and that those who larp as stupid white nationalists, such as the account OP ridicules, are harming the cause of white nationalism that they pretend to advance, by making its proponents look like idiots. If you want to promote white nationalism per se (whites having self-determination rights over their nations and immigration and naturalization), please feel free, you might even do it with occasional reference to the NSDAP, but not with reference to their motives which were, as stated in OP, about the possibility of all peoples ceasing to exist in time. Christians admit no such possibility, and neither ultimately can white nationalists. (The second voluble white nationalist account here, whom I named, constantly dooms and says it's already over, but falls prey to this same observation of being a lampoon of the true white nationalist.)
gatekeep an entire religion behind something irrelevant like geology
If it's irrelevant, there's no need to argue it. You regard my views as gatekeeping because I speak them plainly, while your views are "seems" and "maybe" (which I permit you) but you then turn to attack mine. The point of "prove me wrong" does align with those who think it irrelevant by showing that no evolutionist can prove young earth wrong. If we pursue Jesus as Lord, it won't matter because we won't care much about details and he will guide us into all truth in time.
So the evidence says to me that Darwinism does not "historically slightly align more than" historical, scientific creationism. The curse changed the nature of animals so that they hunt; Isaiah says the curse will be lifted and they will cease to hunt again. No species ever died of eating good plants.
I am not "attacking" you by calling out your obvious attempt to gatekeep. Here you prove me right:
Christians admit no such possibility, and neither ultimately can white nationalists.
Christians can believe in dinosaurs and still be good Christians. It doesn't matter if they are right or wrong because belief in dinosaurs or aliens or evolution or black holes or whatever has nothing to do with Christianity.
I'm usually the open minded guy that brings up stuff like young earth in religious discussions because it's interesting to me. I keep saying this but lemme clarify again, I'm not arguing against young earth. I'm arguing against you pushing people away from Christianity and nationalism for no good reason.
I'm not seeking to push anyone away from Christianity and nationalism, but I do give evidence against evolutionary perversions of the same. Everyone can draw their own personal boundaries around Christianity and define those boundaries even though they are not in offices that build "gates" to be kept on behalf of communities.
What I mean though (see above) is that it's logically impossible for Christians to doom so far as to believe that humanity might perish, as Hitler considered possible. Nothing to do with dinosaurs. All Christianity assumes that Jesus will redeem humanity and the earth into an eternal state, the second coming is in everyone's creed. If someone countenances the extinction idea they are indicating they are not creedally Christian at all. And they are not nationalist if they believe their nation will ultimately fall and become extinct. See the difference between what I said and what you may have heard?
Theistic evolutionists can shoehorn their way into the creeds. What they cannot do is say as Hitler said, "This planet will once again follow its orbit through space devoid of humanity." That's what contradicts the universal creed of the Second Coming. Usually theistic evolutionists don't do that, and even Tipler's Big Crunch is intended to be consistent with some thoughts of the Second Coming.
If theistic evolutionists want to handwave away both most of Genesis 1-11 and "by one man came death", even though Jesus says Adam was historical, they have a double shoehorn because they have to fit a bunch of alternate reading in and they have to deny aspects of evolution as well. They affirm humanity has meaning and received a spark of divinity, which is not intended by evolution at all and adds to its improbability, and they also must theorize that prior primates did not count as sapient and so some creatures are below others in the same interfertility group. Obviously today we call that racism, and I don't think Adam was racist against any primates he was related to.
So, while I'm not silent about by objections and criticisms, I'm not going to say old-earth contradicts the creeds, it just has to be very cagy about its interpretations. But future dooming does contradict the creeds.
I just said it's understandable that alt accusations must fly in a forum of conspiracist anons, no offense, the truth will out.
Um, what I say (not necessarily what u/guywholikesDjtof2024 says) is that whites have every right to nationalism like any other people, and that those who larp as stupid white nationalists, such as the account OP ridicules, are harming the cause of white nationalism that they pretend to advance, by making its proponents look like idiots. If you want to promote white nationalism per se (whites having self-determination rights over their nations and immigration and naturalization), please feel free, you might even do it with occasional reference to the NSDAP, but not with reference to their motives which were, as stated in OP, about the possibility of all peoples ceasing to exist in time. Christians admit no such possibility, and neither ultimately can white nationalists. (The second voluble white nationalist account here, whom I named, constantly dooms and says it's already over, but falls prey to this same observation of being a lampoon of the true white nationalist.)
If it's irrelevant, there's no need to argue it. You regard my views as gatekeeping because I speak them plainly, while your views are "seems" and "maybe" (which I permit you) but you then turn to attack mine. The point of "prove me wrong" does align with those who think it irrelevant by showing that no evolutionist can prove young earth wrong. If we pursue Jesus as Lord, it won't matter because we won't care much about details and he will guide us into all truth in time.
So the evidence says to me that Darwinism does not "historically slightly align more than" historical, scientific creationism. The curse changed the nature of animals so that they hunt; Isaiah says the curse will be lifted and they will cease to hunt again. No species ever died of eating good plants.
I am not "attacking" you by calling out your obvious attempt to gatekeep. Here you prove me right:
Christians can believe in dinosaurs and still be good Christians. It doesn't matter if they are right or wrong because belief in dinosaurs or aliens or evolution or black holes or whatever has nothing to do with Christianity.
I'm usually the open minded guy that brings up stuff like young earth in religious discussions because it's interesting to me. I keep saying this but lemme clarify again, I'm not arguing against young earth. I'm arguing against you pushing people away from Christianity and nationalism for no good reason.
I'm not seeking to push anyone away from Christianity and nationalism, but I do give evidence against evolutionary perversions of the same. Everyone can draw their own personal boundaries around Christianity and define those boundaries even though they are not in offices that build "gates" to be kept on behalf of communities.
What I mean though (see above) is that it's logically impossible for Christians to doom so far as to believe that humanity might perish, as Hitler considered possible. Nothing to do with dinosaurs. All Christianity assumes that Jesus will redeem humanity and the earth into an eternal state, the second coming is in everyone's creed. If someone countenances the extinction idea they are indicating they are not creedally Christian at all. And they are not nationalist if they believe their nation will ultimately fall and become extinct. See the difference between what I said and what you may have heard?
No. Youre still saying the same thing it seems, that evolutionists are not creedally Christian at all.
Theistic evolutionists can shoehorn their way into the creeds. What they cannot do is say as Hitler said, "This planet will once again follow its orbit through space devoid of humanity." That's what contradicts the universal creed of the Second Coming. Usually theistic evolutionists don't do that, and even Tipler's Big Crunch is intended to be consistent with some thoughts of the Second Coming.
If theistic evolutionists want to handwave away both most of Genesis 1-11 and "by one man came death", even though Jesus says Adam was historical, they have a double shoehorn because they have to fit a bunch of alternate reading in and they have to deny aspects of evolution as well. They affirm humanity has meaning and received a spark of divinity, which is not intended by evolution at all and adds to its improbability, and they also must theorize that prior primates did not count as sapient and so some creatures are below others in the same interfertility group. Obviously today we call that racism, and I don't think Adam was racist against any primates he was related to.
So, while I'm not silent about by objections and criticisms, I'm not going to say old-earth contradicts the creeds, it just has to be very cagy about its interpretations. But future dooming does contradict the creeds.