Watched Wonderland (2003), about the murders in 81. John Homes, involved. Noticed his long time girlfriend, she didn't die of AIDS, is still around, wrote a book.. "The road through Wonderland : surviving John Holmes", 508 pages.
"Schiller reveals the perilous road John Holmes led her down-- from drugs and addiction to beatings, arrests, forced prostitution, and being sold to the drug underworld. Surviving the horrific Wonderland murders, she entered protective custody, ran from the FBI, endured a heart-wrenching escape from John, and ultimately turned him in to the police"
Another odd thing with the Wonderland murders case, is you get this guy testifying..
Scott Thorson was a pivotal witness in the 1981 Wonderland gang murders case. He testified against gangster Eddie Nash, claiming he witnessed Nash and others torture a man named Holmes to reveal the identities of the assailants involved in the Wonderland murders.
Thorson's testimony was part of a major Hollywood-related crime case that led to him entering the federal witness protection program.
Role in the Wonderland case: Thorson, a former boyfriend of entertainer Liberace, testified in the prosecution of Eddie Nash, who was implicated in the 1981 quadruple murders at a house on Wonderland Avenue.
Witness testimony: Thorson stated he was present and witnessed Nash and others tying up and torturing John Holmes, a pornographic actor, in an attempt to identify the individuals who committed the murders.
Post-testimony: After his testimony in 1990, Thorson was placed in the federal witness protection program. He was later shot three times in 1991 when drug dealers broke into his hotel room.
Him and Liberace.. that movie with Matt Damon and Michael Douglas, Behind the Candelabra (2013) ‧ Romance/Drama ‧ 1h 58m.
So what the hell is this guy doing at Wonderland. The drugs.
I was thinking, there's no shenanigans going on with these Wonderland murders, like the Manson 69 murders. But just this Alice in Wonderland aspect and MKULTRA, mind control programming that most celebs go under, when growing up, raised in the Illuminati. There might be something odd going on with these Wonderland murders yet. Seems like just drug deals gone bad with those types of people. But I don't know. What would any "why" be, with this case. The Manson stuff you had some fishy "why".
The late 70's and early 80's, you had a lot of rock/pop stars dropping like flies. The government, with the guys running it back then, could be pretty savage. The "why", if they'd be the ones taking out these rock stars. So who knows.. maybe there's some "why" going on with the Wonderland murders.
But yeah.. was searching reddit conspiracy for Wonderland and was like, hey.. MKULTRA, where they used Alice in Wonderland for programming. Kept going pages back and noticed somebody posting:
"The Pedophocracy by David McGowan
116 points 23 comments submitted 6 years ago by LearningIsListening to r/conspiracy
David McGowan, author of Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon, also published The Pedophocracy. This lesser known text covers international and domestic pedophilia and discusses several key figures involved."
I'm there.. what? Never heard of this book. I look it up. You don't find it using google. I used duck duck go and found it.
The Pedophocracy by David McGowan.pdf
But it's only 55 pages. And this pdf I was like, wtf with this red background instead of white. I download it, run it through pdf to text. I'll paste it in the comments below. At least it's not this annoying red background, that's hard on the eyes. Who does that.
Then I start checking out that thread,
https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/cil0y8/the_pedophocracy_by_david_mcgowan/
It starts off with a link and on this whale.to that I had bookmarked in the past. Lots of conspiracy pages there.
http://www.whale.to/b/pedophocracy.html
At least it doesn't have the red background.
David McGowan though.. that Weird scenes was a good book. Here's a bookmark of it. 328 pages.
https://archive.org/details/weirdscenesinsid0000mcgo
And now this one about pedophilia. He writes this stuff and, oh.. all of a sudden, "Dec 29, 2015 — ... passed away following a courageous six month battle against lung cancer."
Like when did he write these books. Weird scenes was 2010. Now this pedophocracy.. Can't find it cause google doesn't like talking about this stuff.
Oh, you got a page about it,
https://www.wikispooks.com/wiki/The_Pedophocracy
Here's the start:
"The Pedophocracy is term coined by David McGowan. It is the title of his book on the subject of pedophilia as an Elite habit and one of the main tools of control of the visible ruling elites, by those not so visible.[1][2] Of all human vices and perversions, pedophilia is one of the most shameful and outrageous in the public mind, giving it great potential as a source of control. VIPaedophile is another research term on Wikispooks into the topic.
This is a deeply disturbing subject. In similar fashion to the proposition that deep state actors commit false flag terror attacks against their own populations to further their agendas, people are reluctant to consider the thought that child sexual abuse could be systematically cultivated and used as a calculated and deliberate means of Machiavellian control. Many people simply do not want to be told such things. Outrage is thus indulged for a while before relapse into the consensus trance of everyday routine, where fear of strangers and the dark are relegated to the subconscious and the odd bad dream.
To be enlisted to the 'Pedophocracy Novitiate' so-to-speak is a temptation difficult for the psychopathic personality type that aspires to power to decline. To become a 1st degree member is to sell one's soul - and there are probably thirty-odd higher degrees each capable of 'making an offer that cannot be refused' by their 'juniors'. Standard military discipline simply cannot hold a candle to it; Special Forces/SIS-type skills and disciplines clearly make extensive use of the victims of it."
I don't think they'd like anybody digging up this stuff. Google doesn't like going there.. asked gemini AI and it uses google so you gotta use something else. I try grok.. even that, showing what's going on as it's inquiring.. it's like it's using google and can't really get anything going about info. At the end, it just says:
"The term "pedophocracy" was coined by David McGowan in his book of the same name, a compilation of investigative articles on child abuse networks and institutional cover-ups. It was first published online in 2001 as a free PDF on sites like mindcontrolforums.com, before being republished in print editions around 2014 after his death. This date is confirmed in linguistic references and bibliographies, such as Wiktionary and academic citations."
When searching, I thought it might of come out in 2011 but for some reason seems like 2001, so that's before Weird scenes. How did he even find out the info he did, with the Weird scenes book. But yeah.. in the comments gonna paste this whole The Pedophocracy book. Gonna start reading that this weekend.
[part 10]
"D.C. police sources said some of the items seized yesterday showed pictures of children engaged in what appeared to be 'cult rituals.' Officials of the U.S. Customs Service, called in to aid in the investigation, said that the material seized yesterday includes photos showing children involved in bloodletting ceremonies of animals and one photograph of a child in chains.
"Customs officials said they were looking into whether a child pornography operation was being conducted ... Their links to the D.C. area have led authorities into a far-reaching investigation that includes the Finders - a group of about 40 people that court documents allege is led by a man named Marion Pettie - and their various homes, including the duplex apartment building in Glover Park, the Northeast Washington warehouse and a 90 acre farm in rural Madison County, Va. ...
"The children, identified in a court document only by the first names of Honeybee, John, Franklin, Bee Bee, Max and Mary, were described as 'dirty, unkempt, hungry, disturbed and agitated.' They had been living in the rear of the van for some time, the document
said. Yesterday, police spokesman Hunt said one of the children, a 6 yr. old girl, 'showed signs of sexual abuse' ...
"Five of the children were uncommunicative, according to police, and none seemed to recognize objects such as typewriters and staplers. However, the oldest was able to give investigators some information. She said that the two men 'were their teachers,' according to Hunt ...
"Before their arrests in the park, [the two adult caretakers] had told police that they were teachers from Washington 'transporting these children to Mexico and a school for brilliant children,' according to Hunt. When police asked the men where the children's mothers were they said they were being weaned from their mothers."
This was just one of many such stories that emerged across the country in the late 1980s, a phenomenon that would quickly be denounced as a 'witch hunt' and as a 'satanic panic.' It would be nearly seven years before the press would revisit this particular manifestation of what would come to be regarded as a modern-day case of mass hysteria.
It was the U.S. News and World Report that would ultimately provide the follow-up to the Finders story, but this was certainly not in the interest of shining any light on the earlier allegations. Most likely, the strange saga of the Finders would have disappeared forever if not for the rumors surrounding the case that just wouldn't seem to go away.
These rumors were addressed in the U.S. News report as follows: "One of the unresolved questions involves allegations that the Finders are somehow linked to the Central Intelligence Agency. Customs Service documents reveal that in 1987, when Customs agents sought to examine the evidence gathered by Washington, D.C. police, they were told that the Finders investigation 'had become an internal matter.'
"The police report on the case had been classified secret. Even now, Tallahassee police complain about the handling of the Finders investigation by D.C. police. 'They dropped this case,' one Tallahassee investigator says, 'like a hot rock.' D.C. police will not comment on the matter. As for the CIA, ranking officials describe allegations about links between the intelligence agency and the Finders as 'hogwash,' perhaps the result of a simple mix up with D.C. police. The only connection, according to the CIA: A firm that provided computer training to CIA officers also employed several members of the Finders."
It should probably be noted here that the firm that supplied the training didn't just employ several members of the Finders but appears to have in fact been a wholly owned subsidiary of the Finders organization. It should also be noted that the CIA does not, as a general rule-of-thumb, assign the training of its
officers to outside contractors. If a 'private' firm is utilized in such a capacity, it is in all such cases a front group of the CIA itself.
In the last paragraph of the U.S. News report, yet more intriguing connections to Langley are revealed. Speaking of group leader Marion Pettie, it is noted that "the CIA's interest in the Finders may stem from the fact that his late wife once worked for the agency and that his son worked for a CIA proprietary firm, Air America." Aside from acknowledging these by then widely known (in Washington, at least) CIA connections, the U.S. News reporters did their very best to bury this story once and for all, denigrating the sordid allegations leveled against the group seven years earlier. The article reads as follows:
"The case is almost seven years old now, but matters surrounding a mysterious group known as the Finders keep growing curiouser and curiouser.
"In early February 1987, an anonymous tipster in Tallahassee, Fla, made a phone call to police. Two 'well dressed men' seemed to be 'supervising' six disheveled and hungry children in a local park, the caller said. The cops went after the case like bloodhounds, at least at first. The two men were identified as members of the Finders. They were charged with child abuse in Florida. In Washington, D.C. police and U.S. Customs Service agents raided a duplex apartment building and a warehouse connected to the group.
"Among the evidence seized - detailed instructions on obtaining children for unknown purposes and several photographs of nude children.
"According to a Customs Service memorandum obtained by U.S. News, one photo appeared 'to accent the child's genitals.' The more the police learned about the Finders, the more bizarre they seemed: There were suggestions of child abuse, Satanism, dealing in pornography and ritualistic animal slaughter.
"None of the allegations was ever proved, however. The child abuse charges against the two men in Tallahassee were dropped; all six of the children were eventually returned to their mothers, though in the case of two, conditions were attached by a court. In Washington, D.C. police began backing away from the Finders investigation. The group's practices, the police said, were eccentric - not illegal."
The article closed by noting that "some of the rumors can last an awfully long time." Indeed they can, though the rumors would have to circulate outside of the media, which has never again mentioned the case. This does not mean though that there is no additional information available on the subject. As the U.S. News noted in their report, there is a certain Customs Service memorandum that was written at the time of the original investigation.
As this document was in the hands of the News reporters at the time the story was written, as is readily acknowledged, it should logically follow that any pertinent information contained therein would have been faithfully reported. And as we know, the News concluded that "none of the allegations was ever proved."
Still, it might be interesting to review the document to see what kind of "eccentric - not illegal" practices it was that the group was involved in. The memo is actually a series of memos written by Special Agent Ramon J. Martinez, United States Customs Service. In Martinez's own words, this is what he observed during his participation in the investigation:
"On Thursday, February 5, 1987, this office was contacted via telephone by Sergeant JoAnn VanMeter of the Tallahassee Police Department, Juvenile Division. Sgt. VanMeter requested assistance in identifying two adult males and six minor children ages 7 years to 2 years.
"The adult males were tentatively identified by TPD as Michael Houlihan and Douglas Ammerman, both of Washington, D.C. who were arrested the previous day on charges of child abuse.
"The police had received an anonymous telephone call relative two well-dressed white men wearing suits and ties in Myers Park, (Tallahassee), apparently watching six dirty and unkempt children in the playground area. Houlihan and Ammerman were near a 1980 Blue Dodge van bearing Virginia license number XHW-557, the inside of which was later described as foul-smelling, filled with maps, books, letters, with a mattress situated to the rear of the van which appeared as if it were used as a bed, and the overall appearance of the van gave the impression that all eight persons were living in it.
"The children were covered with insect bites, were very dirty, most of the children were not wearing underwear and all of the children had not been bathed in many days.
"The men were arrested and charged with multiple counts of child abuse and lodged in the Leon County Jail. Once in custody the men were somewhat evasive in their answers to the police regarding the children and stated only that they both were the children's teachers and that all were enroute to Mexico to establish a school for brilliant children ...
"U.S. Customs was contacted because the police officers involved suspected the adults of being involved in child pornography and knew the Customs Service to have a network of child pornography investigators, and of the existence of the Child Pornography and
Protection Unit. SS/A Krietlow stated the two adults were well dressed white males. They had custody of six white children (boys and girls), ages three to six years. The children were observed to be poorly dressed, bruised, dirty, and behaving like wild animals in a public park in Tallahassee ... SS/A Krietlow was further advised the children were unaware of the function and purpose of telephones, televisions and toilets, and that the children had stated they were not allowed to live indoors and were only given food as a reward ...
"Upon contacting Detective Bradley, I learned that he had initiated an investigation on the two addresses provided by the Tallahassee Police Dept. during December of 1986. An informant had given him information regarding a cult, known as the 'Finders' operating various businesses out of a warehouse located at 1307 4th St., N.E., and were supposed to be housing children at 3918/3920 W St., N.W. The information was specific in describing 'blood rituals' and sexual orgies involving children, and an as yet unsolved murder in which the Finders may be involved. With the information provided by the informant, Detective Bradley was able to match some of the children in Tallahassee with names of children known or alleged to be in the custody of the Finders. Furthermore, Bradley was able to match the tentative ID of the adults with known members of the Finders. I stood by while Bradley consulted with AUSA Harry Benner and obtained search warrants for the two premises. I advised acting RAC SS/A Tim Halloran of my intention to accompany MPD on the execution of the warrants, received his permission, and was joined by SS/A Harrold. SS/A Harrold accompanied the team which went to 1307 4th St., and I went to 3918/20 W St.
"During the execution of the warrant at 3918/20 W St., I was able to observe and access the entire building ... There were several subjects on the premises. Only one was deemed to be connected with the Finders. [He] was located in a room equipped with several computers, printers, and numerous documents. Cursory examination of the documents revealed detailed instructions for obtaining children for unspecified purposes. The instructions included the impregnation of female members of the community known as the Finders, purchasing children, trading, and kidnapping. There were telex messages using MCI account numbers between a computer terminal believed to be located in the same room, and others located across the country and in foreign locations. One such telex specifically ordered the purchase of two children in Hong Kong to be arranged through a contact in the Chinese Embassy there. Another telex expressed interest in 'bank secrecy' situations. Other documents identified interests in high-tech transfers to the United Kingdom, numerous properties under the control of the Finders, a keen interest in terrorism, explosives, and the evasion of law enforcement. Also found in the 'computer room' was a detailed summary of the events surrounding the arrest and taking into
custody of the two adults and six children in Tallahassee the previous night. There were also a set of instructions which appeared to be broadcast via a computer network which advised the participants to move 'the children' and keep them moving through different jurisdictions, and instructions on how to avoid police attention ...
"On Friday, 2/6/87, I met Detective Bradley at the warehouse on 4th Street, N.E. I duly advised my acting group supervisor, SS/A Don Bludworth. I was again granted unlimited access to the premises. I was able to observe numerous documents which described explicit sexual conduct between the members of the community known as Finders. I also saw a large collection of photographs of unidentified persons. Some of the photographs were nudes, believed to be of members of the Finders. There were numerous photos of children, some nude, at least one of which was a photo of a child 'on display' and appearing to accent the child's genitals. I was only able to examine a very small amount of the photos at this time. However, one of the officers presented me with a photo album for my review. The album contained a series of photos of adults and children dressed in white sheets participating in a 'blood ritual.' The ritual centered around the execution of at least two goats. The photos portrayed the execution, disembowelment, skinning and dismemberment of the goats at the hands of the children. This included the removal of the testes of a male goat, the discovery of a female goat's 'womb' and the 'baby goats' inside the womb, and the presentation of a goat's head to one of the children.
[continued in part 11]