It does seem like it. Never seen other users so united in a cause as these two, and one never replies to the other, which would be weird if it were two different people, or three.
I hoped some moderation could fix this problem, as we have none currently, but half of the users, who want to be mods, would simply treat these obvious multiple shill account as "free speech" and never take any action...
Sometimes I wonder if we can just get a group of the bright minds in here, who can recognize shills, and create our own place... What are your thoughts on such an idea?
Sometimes I wonder if we can just get a group of the bright minds in here, who can recognize shills, and create our own place... What are your thoughts on such an idea?
Ah, idealism. Sure, create such a place, I'll be there to the degree you accept me as a bright mind, or not to the degree you don't. I'll support you collecting whatever minds you like.
Also, I expressed my position about your unwillingness to take action against an obvious etymology bot account, and you still defend it. Bending words of silver don't constitute a bright mind.
Do you know why JosephGoebbel5, or me, or others are so fed up when someone doesn't take a decisive action towards progress? Because we have been dealing with shills and bots for years... And we have received the worst of insults anyone can get... Can you believe that makes us a little bit annoyed when we fully express our position, and someone is still against us with phony arguments?
We are at a war. A war requires warriors. Our enemy is well-prepared for combat. We don't need a poet on the battlefield.
A warrior must be sure in his action, he must be ready to combat the worst case possible, not run away from a debate with indecisive words of silver...
I have not seen anything decisive from you so far, but I haven't checked all your activity... If I ever see you fighting the real the fight with the expense of your own reputation, then I'll consider it. You seem willing to do the work, but your actions betray you. Until you take any decisive action, than that idealism would still be far from you.
P.S.: I would upvote you here, because someone downvoted you and I don't want you to think it was me. I would downvote only lies that I can disprove easily, this is not the case. And I don't disagree with your current comment, so I CAN upvote it (a discussion we had in another comment chain). That's me revealing all my cards on the table... Can you do the same?
What does the "side" of c/Conspiracies mean to you in this war, other than just "fairness and transparency"? What is the enemy side, other than violation of published rules?
Should we delete all contributions that are not objectively transparent or fair, all attacks including indirect, all obfuscations including those clearly adopted to evade censorship? That sounds easy to abuse, especially if the mod(s) should be tempted against fairness and transparency personally in the process.
Should we ban everyone whom we can quickly label unfair or opaque?
When I do mod I give transparent objective criteria and enforce them evenly and usually swiftly. I gave you evidence that I've done this with Will before and kept him restrained without needing to ban him because he honored the boundaries given after being told.
Oh yeah my reputation has been shot, I've been banned from ConPro and some NatSoc fora. I've modded and by God's grace maintained a prayer and Bible community with many of the same people for 5 years. I've alluded to some of the strategies I used, but it's not my job to commend myself.
There is no decisive action I can take as a contributor that is different from action anyone else can take. I've posted threads like others have. I can't force consensus but I can work to help coalesce it. We have a lot of indications here that a lot of people silently agree to not being interested in consensus-building. By God's grace I know how to redirect this with objective moderation if he wants me to. But it's not been evidenced that that's where I should go, so when you and others raised concerns with me I backed down from more direct action, the same action you are now using to check my temperature.
I downvote for a number of reasons, including personal taste, which incidentally is unrelated to moderation via objective behavioral criteria. Sometimes I upvote what I've deleted! If you have specific questions about my voting I give general principles and sometimes specific answers. I've upvoted and downvoted you when I think you've been helpful or unhelpful to advancing the forum goals; you may be hinting that you want more info, so you're free to ask. I also don't sweat what votes I get. So I'm upvoting you on this one because it's rational though I have concerns and questions.
To the degree you want to see a broader, transparent, fair community here, I trust you'll also be active in consensus-building and critical mass toward a moderation "mandate" (i.e. clear consensus). The fact that many contributors like anarchy makes it difficult to decide among everyone when competition arises; that is why clearly promulgated rules are so important. So we can keep looking forward to each other contributing more, or more wisely, to the better future.
This entire site is fucked. The admins are kikes that aren't shy about their anti Nazi prejudices. They created a site based on politics, then turn around and restrict politics everywhere to stifle discussion about what's really going on.
Imp's alts have been allowed to torment every mainstream sub with little reprimand, meanwhile his adversaries get banned instantly.
Unfortunately, there's no escaping it on this site. My last account was banned for no reason and the admin that did it refused to give one. Then he banned two more accounts just for approving my posts in their own subs after the fact.
Hmmm... Then what about another place, not this site? Saidit comes to mind, have you seen their conspiracy page? https://saidit.net/s/conspiracy/
But what is that about "anti-Nazi prejudices"? The Nazis aren't the good people, just because they seemingly were fighting the jews... They were just a scapegoat to use for the jews to go to the "promised land" and create Israel, don't you know this?
The swastika is a hindu symbol... And the Thule society is a satanic secret society, which was the cause for the leading of Germany in WWII...
The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, it may be a psy op to gather the enemies of the enemy in one place and with one incorrect ideology...
Perhaps I misunderstood you, but I would never side with Nazism, just because I expose jewish crimes... I know that's a controlled opposition, don't you?
But what is that about "anti-Nazi prejudices"? The Nazis aren't the good people, just because they seemingly were fighting the jews... They were just a scapegoat to use for the jews to go to the "promised land" and create Israel, don't you know this?
And the Thule society is a satanic secret society, which was the cause for the leading of Germany in WWII...
Kikes love telling this lie. Secret societies were banned under the Third Reich because it was their conspiring that lead to the fall of Germany in WWI, and the greatest financial depression they'd ever seen afterwards. This included Christian Churches. Hitler upon making Chancellor, declared the Church would enjoy protection from the state on the condition they did not act against Germany's interests.
The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, it may be a psy op to gather the enemies of the enemy in one place and with one incorrect ideology...
I agree with this statement, as long as you aren't limiting it to just Nazis.
Perhaps I misunderstood you, but I would never side with Nazism, just because I expose jewish crimes... I know that's a controlled opposition, don't you?
A controlled opposition that took the entire world to stop? If that were true, they'd have flipped like Italy. Nobody defended their country harder than the Germans and Japanese.
Thank you, I am from Europe. Thank you for the insult.
I usually comment at night or early hours, you got me. And 200 years ago, we never cared about America, so don't assume you're the center of the world.
It's not even me downvoting these, people are getting sick of the spam.
Your censorship campaign blew up in your face last time, domestic terrorist
Why nobody takes care of these bots in here...
The slave trade is a jewish trade - facts.
But someone JosephMalta - thinks people are getting sick of the spam, while he's clearly downvoted, and the post is very well upvoted...
Unless Joseph Malta is a jewish shill... Only possible explanation.
That's the alt of Dresden/TheImpossible1 so yes, he is a jewish shill.
It does seem like it. Never seen other users so united in a cause as these two, and one never replies to the other, which would be weird if it were two different people, or three.
I hoped some moderation could fix this problem, as we have none currently, but half of the users, who want to be mods, would simply treat these obvious multiple shill account as "free speech" and never take any action...
Sometimes I wonder if we can just get a group of the bright minds in here, who can recognize shills, and create our own place... What are your thoughts on such an idea?
Ah, idealism. Sure, create such a place, I'll be there to the degree you accept me as a bright mind, or not to the degree you don't. I'll support you collecting whatever minds you like.
My comment was asking JosephGoebbel5, not you.
Also, I expressed my position about your unwillingness to take action against an obvious etymology bot account, and you still defend it. Bending words of silver don't constitute a bright mind.
Do you know why JosephGoebbel5, or me, or others are so fed up when someone doesn't take a decisive action towards progress? Because we have been dealing with shills and bots for years... And we have received the worst of insults anyone can get... Can you believe that makes us a little bit annoyed when we fully express our position, and someone is still against us with phony arguments?
We are at a war. A war requires warriors. Our enemy is well-prepared for combat. We don't need a poet on the battlefield.
A warrior must be sure in his action, he must be ready to combat the worst case possible, not run away from a debate with indecisive words of silver...
I have not seen anything decisive from you so far, but I haven't checked all your activity... If I ever see you fighting the real the fight with the expense of your own reputation, then I'll consider it. You seem willing to do the work, but your actions betray you. Until you take any decisive action, than that idealism would still be far from you.
P.S.: I would upvote you here, because someone downvoted you and I don't want you to think it was me. I would downvote only lies that I can disprove easily, this is not the case. And I don't disagree with your current comment, so I CAN upvote it (a discussion we had in another comment chain). That's me revealing all my cards on the table... Can you do the same?
What does the "side" of c/Conspiracies mean to you in this war, other than just "fairness and transparency"? What is the enemy side, other than violation of published rules?
Should we delete all contributions that are not objectively transparent or fair, all attacks including indirect, all obfuscations including those clearly adopted to evade censorship? That sounds easy to abuse, especially if the mod(s) should be tempted against fairness and transparency personally in the process.
Should we ban everyone whom we can quickly label unfair or opaque?
When I do mod I give transparent objective criteria and enforce them evenly and usually swiftly. I gave you evidence that I've done this with Will before and kept him restrained without needing to ban him because he honored the boundaries given after being told.
If I'm changing community rules I get community buy-in. It looks like you didn't weigh in on my attempt to assist the eventual mod(s) here with objective rules.
Oh yeah my reputation has been shot, I've been banned from ConPro and some NatSoc fora. I've modded and by God's grace maintained a prayer and Bible community with many of the same people for 5 years. I've alluded to some of the strategies I used, but it's not my job to commend myself.
There is no decisive action I can take as a contributor that is different from action anyone else can take. I've posted threads like others have. I can't force consensus but I can work to help coalesce it. We have a lot of indications here that a lot of people silently agree to not being interested in consensus-building. By God's grace I know how to redirect this with objective moderation if he wants me to. But it's not been evidenced that that's where I should go, so when you and others raised concerns with me I backed down from more direct action, the same action you are now using to check my temperature.
I downvote for a number of reasons, including personal taste, which incidentally is unrelated to moderation via objective behavioral criteria. Sometimes I upvote what I've deleted! If you have specific questions about my voting I give general principles and sometimes specific answers. I've upvoted and downvoted you when I think you've been helpful or unhelpful to advancing the forum goals; you may be hinting that you want more info, so you're free to ask. I also don't sweat what votes I get. So I'm upvoting you on this one because it's rational though I have concerns and questions.
To the degree you want to see a broader, transparent, fair community here, I trust you'll also be active in consensus-building and critical mass toward a moderation "mandate" (i.e. clear consensus). The fact that many contributors like anarchy makes it difficult to decide among everyone when competition arises; that is why clearly promulgated rules are so important. So we can keep looking forward to each other contributing more, or more wisely, to the better future.
You have your own place, it's called ConsumeProduct and you should fuck off back there.
First time I hear about this "place" and you're clearly angry.
Cool off and make a proper argument or you can... what was the phrase... "fuck off".
This entire site is fucked. The admins are kikes that aren't shy about their anti Nazi prejudices. They created a site based on politics, then turn around and restrict politics everywhere to stifle discussion about what's really going on.
Imp's alts have been allowed to torment every mainstream sub with little reprimand, meanwhile his adversaries get banned instantly.
Unfortunately, there's no escaping it on this site. My last account was banned for no reason and the admin that did it refused to give one. Then he banned two more accounts just for approving my posts in their own subs after the fact.
Hmmm... Then what about another place, not this site? Saidit comes to mind, have you seen their conspiracy page? https://saidit.net/s/conspiracy/
But what is that about "anti-Nazi prejudices"? The Nazis aren't the good people, just because they seemingly were fighting the jews... They were just a scapegoat to use for the jews to go to the "promised land" and create Israel, don't you know this?
The swastika is a hindu symbol... And the Thule society is a satanic secret society, which was the cause for the leading of Germany in WWII...
The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, it may be a psy op to gather the enemies of the enemy in one place and with one incorrect ideology...
Perhaps I misunderstood you, but I would never side with Nazism, just because I expose jewish crimes... I know that's a controlled opposition, don't you?
The Balfour Declaration happened long before Hitler came to power. As far as jews being displaced, they were being forced INTO Germany as Hitler explains.
Not limited to, it's been around forever as a good luck symbol. See this Boy Scouts coin from 1900
Kikes love telling this lie. Secret societies were banned under the Third Reich because it was their conspiring that lead to the fall of Germany in WWI, and the greatest financial depression they'd ever seen afterwards. This included Christian Churches. Hitler upon making Chancellor, declared the Church would enjoy protection from the state on the condition they did not act against Germany's interests.
I agree with this statement, as long as you aren't limiting it to just Nazis.
A controlled opposition that took the entire world to stop? If that were true, they'd have flipped like Italy. Nobody defended their country harder than the Germans and Japanese.
Only good Nazi is a dead one.
Gas yourself.
Someone's getting angry.
Really warms my heart to see JG5 unable to keep his trash above water.
So many people downvoted your comment, does that warm you heart too?
And so many upvoted OP's post, I bet that warms your heart even more! :D
Weird how that happened after normal human beings went to bed.
Almost like it was botted up overnight.
What?
You're not aware of time zones?
US is GMT-5 to GMT-8.
His posts rise at 7-9am Eurocuck time, which is roughly the morning in his native South Africa.
Thank you, I am from Europe. Thank you for the insult.
I usually comment at night or early hours, you got me. And 200 years ago, we never cared about America, so don't assume you're the center of the world.
Your argument is still invalid.