The other day was going to the next bookmarks bar item. Somebody mentioned, "Tracy Twyman had a lot to say about baphomet and freemasons". I heard of her before.. this clock shavings. I think I might of skimmed through the pdf but lots of research since those days. I did a search of my "temp conspiracy research [36gb]" folder.. 9859 files, 261 folders. That 'll take you a while. This one had lots of stuff.. conspiracy research stuff by srsbzns10 [13GB, 3350 files, 44 folders]. There's the "masonry" torrent.. 8GB, 6,172 Files, 193 Folders. "Satanism research" main folder, 15GB, 328 Files, 21 Folders.
Sometimes I'll be researching for a pdf and go, just search in this stuff first. Copied that "clock-shavings-hardcovernbsped-0692277773-9780692277775_compress" pdf on the desktop. Somebody also mentioned, Genuflect - Tracy Twyman.pdf and noticed this one, Tracy Twyman - Genuflect FAQ with answers.pdf. I'll get to those next. Going through the clock shavings, up to page 70 of 314.
She died in recent years. Was checking out the last video she did. Was over 2 hours long. I'm there.. just transcribe it to text. But the site I use, it had a limit of 2 hours so I cut it in 2 parts. Taking a look at the audio, it was stuttering repeatedly later on and repeated what was earlier. I think it was her doing a live stream audio. She might of been hassled. Was a satanist too, it sounds like. Dies in 2019, age 40. In this clock shavings, they're using ouija to get information. I wouldn't fuck around with that. See the movie, Talk to Me (2022) ‧ Horror/Supernatural horror ‧ 1h 35m. You don't fuck around with Ouija boards.
But yeah.. that's how I wound up here. Gonna check this stuff out. This page 70..
The possible connection between Baphomet's name and a rite of baptism is potentially important as well. The first mention of baptism in the Bible is in Matthew 3:10-12, when John the Baptist immerses Jesus in the river Jordan. Of course, the patron saint of the Knights Templar was John (as he is for the Freemasons as well).
When the Templars were accused of heresy and blasphemy, one of the specific charges was of practicing Johannism. This was an underground cult that venerated John as the real Christ, viewing Jesus as a false prophet. It is still practiced today in Iraq, as part of a sect called the "Mandeans."
The Baphomet idol that the Templars were accused of worshipping has been speculated by some writers to have actually been the skull of John. As you will of course recall, John was famously beheaded at the request of Salome, according to the Gospels. Certain historians actually think that the Knights may have discovered the real skull of John some time during their occupation of the Holy Land. In the Gnostic text The Apocryphon of St James, John's head is referred to as the "Head of Prophecy." The tortured Templars confessed to their inquisitors that the Baphomet head "prophesied" for them as well.
Then I was thinking.. these guys in the occult, they use skulls during rituals, and it gets stuff going. Like think of the Skull and Bones, Yale. The other day was watching the TV series, The UnXplained, hosted by Bill Shatner and they had an episode this past summer, talking about secret societies a bit. They talked about this Skull and bones and how they had the skull of Geronimo, the native guy.
I've heard of this before though.. where, they use a skull.. I don't know how or what. I looked into it a bit. Like what do they do to get things going.
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in the occult, what do they do with people's skulls during rituals.. what does that get going
The use of human skulls and bones in occult and ritual practices is an ancient and universal phenomenon, rooted in various beliefs about death, the spirit world, and power.
The practices and their intended effects vary greatly across different traditions, but generally revolve around the skull's symbolic power as the seat of the mind and life force.
Common Uses of Human Skulls in Rituals: Vessel for Spirit Communication and Oracle:
The skull is seen as a potent connection to the deceased individual's spirit or to the world of the dead in general.
One historical practice is the art of the "speaking head," where a human skull is ritually prepared and enchanted to utter oracles or provide guidance from the spirit world, a practice referenced in ancient traditions like the Sabians and the Talmud.
Symbol and Tool for Transformation and Rebirth:
In traditions like alchemy and some esoteric schools, the skull represents the "death's head" or caput mortuum, symbolizing a necessary stage of internal spiritual death and dissolution of the ego before achieving a higher state of being or rebirth.
In some forms of Freemasonry, a skull may be placed in a Chamber of Reflection to encourage the initiate to contemplate mortality, self-sacrifice, and spiritual refinement.
Veneration of Ancestors and Source of Protection:
In prehistoric and some modern cultures (often referred to as "skull cults"), human skulls, particularly those of ancestors, were preserved, venerated, and honored.
The belief was that honoring the skull would ensure the possessor received the protection and assistance of the deceased ancestor or heroic figure.
In Neolithic times, plastered human skulls were created, possibly to serve as "spirit traps" or effigies of venerated ancestors.
Amulet Against Evil:
The skull can be used as a prophylactic (a deterrent) against harmful forces, such as the evil eye (jettatura) and malevolent spirits. The grotesque or fearsome nature of the object is believed to repel negative entities.
Focus of Chthonic and Death-Related Deities:
Skulls and bones are prominently associated with deities of death, destruction, and transformation, such as the Hindu goddess Kali or the Mexican folk saint Santa Muerte. They are used on altars or in rituals to connect with the raw power of these forces and the cycle of life, death, and rebirth.
What it is Believed to "Get Going" (The Intended Purpose): The ultimate goal of using the skull in ritual is to harness its powerful energy, which is often tied to the themes of:
Access to the Spirit World: To establish a direct, tangible link (point d'appui) with the dead, ancestral spirits, or other non-human intelligences.
Supernatural Power: To acquire the inherent power, knowledge, or protection of the spirit associated with the skull.
Profound Insight: To gain a deeper understanding of mortality, the life-death-rebirth cycle, or esoteric knowledge.
Magical Effect: To empower spells and charms, whether for protection, divination, or other forms of sorcery.
how does it get anything going.. just having somebody's skull
This is a complex topic rooted in historical, spiritual, and occult traditions, and the principles vary significantly across different cultures and magical systems.
In these systems, a skull is generally seen as a powerful object because it is the seat of consciousness, life force, and identity.
Here are the main underlying principles for how a human skull (or sometimes a carved skull object) is believed to "get something going" or be used in spiritual and magical contexts, as opposed to just being a static object:
- The Principle of Connection to the Spirit The most common belief is that the skull acts as a vessel or conduit to the spirit of the deceased person, or to the realm of the dead/spirits:
Point of Contact (Anchor): It is considered a physical anchor or "material point d'appui" for connecting with the spirit world, especially the spirit of the individual the skull belonged to.
Spirit Harvesting/Channeling: Some beliefs suggest that powerful "energetic energies" released upon death are contained or anchored in the skull. This energy can be harvested, channeled, or used to attract other entities and energies from subtle realms.
Necromancy and Oracles: Historically, a central practice in some forms of necromancy was the "speaking head" or oracular skull, where the object was ritually prepared and enchanted to allow the spirit to speak through it, offering guidance, prophecy, or knowledge (divination).
- The Principle of Embodied Wisdom and Power The skull is universally symbolic, even without a specific spirit attached:
Seat of Wisdom: As the physical home of the brain, the skull is symbolized as the seat of higher knowledge, intellect, and ageless wisdom in many traditions (e.g., Celtic culture, certain Buddhist and spiritual depictions). Working with it is believed to grant insight and mental agility.
Cycle of Life and Rebirth: It represents the inevitable end (death) but, by extension, the beginning of the next cycle (rebirth and regeneration). Placing a skull on an altar or using it in ritual is a way of acknowledging and working with this fundamental cycle of nature.
Concentrated Essence: Bones, in general, are believed to hold the primal, residual energy of the creature they came from. The skull, being the most prominent bone and the body's control center, holds the most potent and concentrated form of this energy.
- The Activation: How the Power is Tapped Simply possessing a skull is generally not enough for a magical "working." The energy is typically "activated" or engaged through specific ritual practices:
Ritual and Intention: The skull is typically integrated into an altar or ritual space. The practitioner uses meditation, intention setting, or specific incantations to "program" the object or align its inherent energy with their specific purpose (e.g., protection, prophecy, or specific spells).
Offerings and Respect: In traditions that see the skull as a vessel for a specific spirit, the power is maintained and "activated" by forming a respectful, reciprocal relationship with the deceased spirit, which involves offerings, honoring the bone, and regular communication.
Cleansing and Consecration: Before using it for any working, a skull (or bone) is typically cleansed to clear any previous or residual energy, and then consecrated to dedicate it to the new magical purpose.
In summary, the skull is not seen as having inert, latent energy. It is considered a powerful, charged symbol and a potential spirit conduit. The "getting it going" part involves the practitioner applying a specific ritual, intention, and, in many cases, communicating with or honoring the spirit/archetype connected to the object.
yeah but the spirit is gone from it when they died
That's an excellent point that reflects a very common and logical understanding of death.
In many spiritual and occult traditions, however, the belief isn't that the whole "spirit" of the person stays trapped in the bone, but rather that the skull and bones retain a powerful energetic or spiritual imprint that can be utilized.
Here are the main reasons why the skull (and bones in general) hold spiritual significance in occult and folk magic, even after the original "spirit" has departed:
Retention of Energy/Imprint:
The skull is considered the "home of the mind"—the seat of consciousness, intellect, and personal power while alive. Even after the soul leaves, the physical structure that housed it is believed to hold a powerful residue or anchor of that individual's energy, wisdom, or power.
Some traditions view the bones as representing the deepest, most enduring part of the self, which is why they last so long. They are seen as a conduit to the past life and the archetypal energy of that being.
A Link to the Spirit World:
Because the skull is the last physical piece of a being who has passed over, it becomes a "nexion" or a material anchor point for communicating with the spirit of the deceased, the ancestors, or even general spirits of the dead.
In practices like necromancy or certain forms of folk magic, a skull might be used to call upon the spirit associated with it to gain wisdom, counsel, or protection. The folklore of "oracular severed heads" (like that of Orpheus or the Norse god Mímir) is a classic example of this.
Symbolism of Wisdom and Enduring Life:
Wisdom: The skull symbolizes higher knowledge, truth, and ageless wisdom because it housed the brain. Working with it is seen as tapping into pure knowledge beyond mortal limitations.
Immortality/Endurance: Bones are the final, most durable part of the body. Their resilience symbolizes the cycle of life, death, and rebirth, and the ultimate truth of mortality. In some Siberian shamanic traditions, for example, the "soul" is presumed to reside in the bones, which allows for the reconstitution or resurrection of the individual.
Apotropaic (Protective) Power:
The symbolism of death itself can be a powerful protective force. In some cultures, skulls were placed on fences or at thresholds to ward off evil spirits or enemies, using the frightening energy of death as a deterrent.
So, while the main conscious spirit may be "gone," the skull is seen as retaining a spiritual charge, a point of contact, or a powerful symbolic representation of the person's essence, which can be engaged with through magical or religious rites.
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Re: "The "Speaking Head":
Allow me to help. On my grandmother's side is Von Haderschot, one of whom was one of the 12 original founders of the Ordo Templi Orientis of Bavaria, aka 'The Bavarian Illuminatti'. A provable claim. A lifelong study of the tenets and history of this organization, along with it associates and affiliations was an eye opening experience, pun intended.
From that, I can advise you that it can be shown that every ritual used by secret societies, the OTO notwithstanding, is material signal towards a spiritual principle. This principle is lost upon 'The Profane', and so a physical example performed as routine until the principle is discovered.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places"
Good principles. Bad principles. Good powers. Bad powers. Good teachers. Bad teachers. And then there are preachers.
Those who either don't understand or misuse, intentionally or not, use the bad/dark, generally will rule by force, exerting their half-understood principles by force of will. This has been the case throughout most of history, with the principles profaned by this half or misunderstanding, with the result becoming 'Do what thou wilt is the entirety of the law.' As expounded by one of it's poobah's Aleister Crowley. Crowley rewarded himself with a title after doing extensive work in his life, attempting to find order in the chaos. Yet they seem to prefer chaos as the field to work in, do they not? Their sayings all about 'the light' and illumination and yet they hide in dark places and do dark things. Interdasting.
I say this 'Darkness' is of course an ignor-ance of higher principles that even the large segment of their 'elite' have not successfully worked to solve. An interesting fact is that Crowley gained prominence largely due to his assertion that he'd discovered that the Tarot deck of cards had been shuffled to confuse 'the profane' as 'Tsaddi is not The Star'. Of Sephira, 16 is not 17.
17 is 17. It's gematria equivalent Q. The Star ( A new outpouring...or shall we say, great awakening).
So there are two who know things.....are on a 'high place' of understanding of the principles which move the physical object on the lower plain (field). One of them continues to look 'upwards' to the highest possible Source. The One Source. The other stops that, and looks down...to use as power. De-evolution is a dark force, gravitating into 'self' and selfishness with will to power over others. Do what THOU WILT. I find it a tell that Crowley felt it necessary to add the qualifier '...is the entirety of the law.' I say that is true but missing a principle. Of course. 'The Law' is for those who need it. A lower level of operation made necessary by misunderstanding and evil will as result. These misunderstandings become bad 'principaliTIES'... existing as political/militant movements
The spirit IS the principle behind the thing. Repeat that. What does it mean?
Q/17/The Star are principles that conjoin for example. You've probably heard of gematria. This is its foundation. Have you discovered 'Divine Geometry'?
Divine Geometry is a rarified subject. Few find it. Fewer understand.
These principles are eternal and so their discovery by those with both good and evil intent became an issue of life or death in times when any variation from the norm was considered politically incorrect. Interesting that one's punishment was usually either death or exile, or perhaps becoming a consultant to the King. One of my ancestors did just that in the reign of Charlemagne. Was this due to the quality difference of the information? Some of it was. But all, used in power, become dark.
What is the Higher Principle then, that one gnostic knows, but not the other? The one that the dark one ignores?
Re: The 'Talking Head'.
The body exhibits principles by its nature. Proportions are principles.
Why? Discover it if you haven't.
The Al-khem. Al chemist Alchemy. Was an attempt to discover all possible combinations of material things, breaking apart and conjoining or 'sewing and tearing', becoming the father of science. Like science (and Scientologists) it is about 'laws' again. Good medicine/ bad medicine. But medicine is for the sick.
The head, in comparison to the body is of a certain proportion which exhibits a principle. The skilled artist knows this. How is he skilled? By this knowing. The head is the 'highest' and connected to mind/conciousnous which receives the principles, so this is used as the example. Alchemists dabbled in transmutation of metals and so brass was used to fashion the head, as again, proof of the understanding of what creates brass or bronze. (Yes other material is historic, including crystal skulls, but that's a separate but related story as is the mention of brass and bronze being used for ark and throne. Not understanding the principle of electricity, one would be shocked what they'd find in attempt to 'take the bull by the horns'.
So being both high learning and needing to be Clandestine (think of that word)....the art school needed to teach principles to its subject if it were to be successful. The proportions between certain segments of the body correspond to the proportions of the face. So as brass and bronze was being casted...into proper proportions as proof to the students of its principles...in THIS way, the head was said to 'talk to' the student. The public could only be told that this was art..and it was....sculpture in the making.....but misunderstanding, once again rears its ugly head. The public found many villains and scapegoats in the secrecy and during trials, every imaginable explanation was posited. There were the magi, and there are magicians. Some say both black and white, but that's up for debate.
One who knows does, knowing why and how, and the result is 'good'. No magic required. The Spirit as force.....positive angles/angels and negative ones ....daemons..... are forces that move things.
Why is man said to be made 'a little higher' than the angles, yet is material? The magician attempts to FIGURE that out, working withing the material (looking downward upon the plain).
So finally, I'd like to add that the Great Awakening its to be a 'taking back' of the true understanding of the principles, with a new outpouring of spirit aka Q/17/The Star.
The Talking Head. It says one thing to the profane, and another to the one who looks to the Divine.
It's our place and choice to understand. The Source.
Sauce for the Source: https://kupdf.net/download/jesus-christ-sun-of-god-ancient-cosmology-and-early-christian-symbolism-by-david-r-fideler-ocr_58a100e36454a7335db1eb87_pdf
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wouldn't this mean that a cemetery, you'd have stuff going on, because their bones are down there
That's an insightful connection to make. In many spiritual, folkloric, and occult traditions, the presence of bones and the act of burial are indeed central to the powerful or special nature of a cemetery.
Here's a breakdown of why this belief exists in various contexts:
One source mentions the belief that the "soul" is presumed to reside in the bones, which allows for the resurrection of the individual.
Spirit Vessels/Gateways: Due to this connection, bones (especially the whole body in a grave) are seen as a conduit or a liminal space for interacting with the departed spirit. This is why traditions that work with the dead often focus on cemeteries.
Emotional Energy: Graveyards are naturally sites of intense, lingering human emotion (grief, love, remembrance), which is thought to attract and empower certain earthbound souls or other entities that feed on such energy.
Attraction for Entities: Some sources indicate that older, less maintained cemeteries or those near "death roads" (ley lines associated with funeral processions) are more likely to attract disincarnate entities, including benign earthbound souls and more malevolent, ghoulish spirits.
Positive Magic: Dirt from a loved one's grave for protection or from a successful person's grave for prosperity/luck.
Negative Magic: Dirt from a criminal's grave for "left-handed" workings or cursing.
Specific Elements: Bones or dirt aren't the only elements used. Other natural items found in a cemetery (moss, certain trees like Yew or Oak, etc.) also carry potent magical or spiritual significance due to their proximity to the dead.
In short, your idea is strongly supported by a wide range of folklore and occult practices. The concentration of human remains acts as a spiritual magnet and a source of power/connection that makes a cemetery much more than just a place to dispose of bodies—it's viewed as a charged, powerful, and often sacred space.
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Yeah.. if this is the case, you're gonna have odd shit going on in cemeteries.
Re-reading what it said.. I heard somewhere in recent weeks, where the skull would talk during rituals.. lol. Not sure where I saw that.
"One particular phase of skull-magic is the art of the “speaking head,” a human skull, which, properly prepared and enchanted, could utter oracles by its mouth."
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What about when somebody gets cremated and turned to ash. Betcha there's less occult power going on with that, compared to if they'd have left it as bones. Are they still able to do stuff with cremated ash?
That's an interesting question that delves into the spiritual significance of human remains and the effects of cremation across different beliefs.
Your hunch that cremation reduces the "occult power" of the remains compared to bones/an intact burial is reflected in many traditional and spiritual systems, but it's not a universal rule.
Here is a breakdown of the beliefs around the spiritual power of cremated ash versus other remains:
Detachment and Release: Religions like Hinduism and Buddhism often encourage cremation precisely because the intense heat is believed to help the soul or spirit detach from the body and move on to its next existence or goal (like reincarnation or moksha). If the soul has moved on, the remains are less of an anchor.
Destruction of the Vessel: Traditions that prohibit cremation, such as Orthodox Judaism and the Greek Orthodox Church, often do so because they believe the body is sacred and must remain intact for a future resurrection or a gradual process of the soul's departure. In these systems, destroying the body by fire is seen as a desecration or an action that hinders the spiritual process, which could be interpreted as a weakening of its power.
Completeness: The belief that the body must decompose gradually, as seen in the Baháʼí Faith, also suggests that the rapid destruction by fire suppresses the natural journey of the elements, reducing the remains' intrinsic power.
Residual/Lingering Energy: Many spiritual and paranormal beliefs hold that cremated ash still contains the residual essence or a "lingering presence" of the person, even if the primary soul has departed. This energy is not necromantic (controlling the dead), but rather a connection to their essence, personality, or emotional imprint.
Emotional Connection: For the living, the ashes serve as a powerful tangible link to the deceased, offering comfort and a focus for memory, which is a form of powerful emotional/spiritual energy.
Ash-Specific Magic: Ashes themselves—not just human ones—have their own magical and folkloric uses:
Divination (Spodomancy): The practice of Spodomancy (divination by examining cinders, soot, or ashes) is ancient and widespread. Marks, lines, or shapes found in scattered ashes are interpreted to foretell the future or reveal omens. This practice can be applied to any ashes, including cremated human remains, which would hold an even deeper significance.
Symbolic Barrier/Binding: Historically, ashes (and cremated remains) have been used in rituals to create magical barriers or seals. For example, some ancient Roman practices involved burying cremated remains under a layer of bricks and lime, sometimes surrounded by bent nails, specifically to restrain the spirit of the deceased from becoming "restless" or vengeful (a kind of anti-necromancy).
Dispersion and Freedom: In other practices, the physical ability to scatter ash is a powerful act of release, purification, or blessing, allowing the spirit to be free or to mingle with the elements.
Conclusion Whether a bone or an urn of ash is "more powerful" depends entirely on the spiritual tradition or the desired outcome of the ritual:
Remains Traditional Occult/Spiritual Use Bones/Intact Remains Often preferred for traditions focused on anchoring the spirit, for necromancy (communicating with or commanding the dead), or for magic that utilizes the strong physical link of the original body. Cremated Ash Primarily used for practices focusing on divination (Spodomancy), utilizing the residual essence/memory of the deceased, creating symbolic barriers/seals, or facilitating a spiritual release/detachment (as in Hinduism/Buddhism).
Export to Sheets So, while the intense destruction of the body by fire may eliminate the raw "power" that an intact corpse or bone might hold in necromantic traditions, the resulting ash gains a unique, powerful symbolic and ritual significance in its own right.
so these occult guys don't really use cremated ash like they would a skull, where they could get it to talk during a ritual.. the cremated ash, they can't really do anything with it?
That's an insightful question about the materials used in occult practices, particularly necromancy.
Based on traditional beliefs and historical accounts of necromancy and folk magic, you are largely correct in noticing a major difference in how skulls and cremated ashes are viewed and used in rituals, especially for communication.
Here's a breakdown of the distinction:
The "Speaking Head": Historically, one particular phase of skull magic, sometimes associated with necromancy, was the art of the "speaking head." This involved a human skull that was ritually prepared and enchanted to utter oracles or provide information. The skull acts as a direct anchor or "material point d'appui" (point of support) for the spirit to manifest its voice.
Symbolism: In various forms of magic and occultism, the skull is used as a powerful symbol of death, rebirth, and a direct link to the ancestors or the spirit world itself.
Purpose as Remains: In a practical sense, the ashes are typically used in rites of remembrance, burial, and release, aiming to help the soul find peace or return to nature (as seen in many non-occult cultures).
Alternative Uses in Occult Contexts: While not as common for direct vocal communication like the "speaking head," cremated ashes are not entirely useless in some esoteric paths.
"Ash Path" or Material Component: Some specific, often modern or fictionalized, systems of magic (like the "Ash Path" in one snippet) may treat the ashes as a component, though this is less common in historical accounts of necromancy focusing on reanimation or talking to the dead.
General Spiritual Energy: In some branches of esoteric practices like Tantra, all bones or ashes are believed to carry spiritual energy and can be used as ritual objects to aid in things like meditation or unlocking knowledge, but this is a broader use of death-relics, not necessarily a direct communication tool like the skull.
Possession Risk: In some folk beliefs, like those referenced in Norse Sagas, the ashes themselves, if not handled correctly, could still be tainted by the deceased's malicious spirit and cause harm or even lead to a form of possession if ingested or scattered improperly.
In summary: The skull's unique status as the seat of consciousness makes it the preferred, more powerful material for rituals specifically aimed at anchoring the spirit to a physical structure for direct, audible communication. The ashes, being a highly fragmented and purified remnant, are generally seen as less potent for this particular purpose, though they can still carry spiritual energy and be used in other forms of magic or for ritualistic closure.