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Poor, poor aether. Its only sin? Existing...... (media.scored.co)
posted 216 days ago by Dps1879 216 days ago by Dps1879 +8 / -4
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– CrazyRussian 4 points 216 days ago +4 / -0

There was no aether in periodic table.

One of the first ever Mendeleev tables, vertical version from his drafts of 1869: https://minio.nplus1.ru/app-images/196881/972c542a7e93707f0a85e8c4d8302083.jpg

First printed version of vertical table Mendeleev sent to universities for discussion: https://elementy.ru/images/eltpub/otkrytie_period_zakona_04_474.jpg

Mendeleev periodic table from 1871 textbook: https://minio.nplus1.ru/app-images/196894/02c36bc808269b9c50c21ede30614e4b.png

Wall-mounted periodic table found in St.Andrews University from around 1885: https://news.st-andrews.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/periodic-table-001.jpg

Aether coudn't be in periodic table, just because Mendeleev discovered a today well-known pattern in "atomic and chemical properties of elements". Aether was never studied on the atomic and chemical properties.

Mendeleev wrote a big article about aether only in 1905, where he tried to find its place in periodic table for the first time, in response to multiple questions about aether place from other scientists, but went to conclusion that it is out of its scope, until aether atomic and chemical properties will be discovered and studied. He even tried to estimate aether properties it should have to fit into the table, and estimated aether "atom"(particle) mass as 9.6e-7 to 5.3e-11 atomic mass units ( 0.9Kev - 0.05 eV) constantly moving with a speed of 2250 km/s. This particles does not interact with matter or do that very rare. For me, this looks more like some low-energy neutrinos - light neutral leptons that rarely interact with usual matter. Who knows, may be there could be kind of matter (gas/liquid/solid) made from neutrinos created in quantities allowing studying physical and chemical properties of this substance, and only then we will be able to talk about placing "zero" element in periodic table, Pretty interesting task and research, but nobody tried to do that yet. At least I don't know about such attempts among existing researches on creating exotic matters of different kind.

There was no aether in periodic table, so there was nothing to remove in 1908. Mendeleev wrote an article on aether only in 1905, and didn't find a place for it in his table, because aether didn't have known physical and chemical properties at the time. Since scientists who was very interested in aether theory want to have aether as element, they tried to place it in a table of elements, so there could be some third-party unofficial periodic tables printed with aether in it somewhere, but they was just counterfeits of original one.

Aether problem is very interesting thing, actually, regardless of how it named in some timeframe - "dark matter", "higgs field", "fluctuating vacuum" and other stuff. Why there is a need to lie about it? There was no aether in periodic table, so nobody removed it. This does not mean anything about aether. I see a lot of narratives circulating about aether in conspiracy theorist circles, but never saw anything about studying it with modern technologies. Nobody from that circles talk about chemical properties of aether f.e. So why it should be in periodic table in the first place? It's just doesn't have any sense. Everything about aether today is as senseless as all that Nikola Tesla stuff, torsion fields stuff, and so on. Only talks and shitty memes based on lies. Why aether need that lies? What those who spread lies about aether and its position in science want to achieve with this lies? Marginalise it even more, or feed the sheeple who are LARPing conspiracy theorists?

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– Dps1879 [S] -2 points 216 days ago +1 / -3

Lol your brain is to material. Loosen up little bitch.

Some older versions of the periodic table, like one published by Mendeleev in 1904, may have included space for a potential element "X" (Newtonium) to represent ether. However, this was a placeholder based on the belief in ether, not actual evidence of its existence.

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– CrazyRussian 4 points 216 days ago +4 / -0

Some older versions of the periodic table

I posted older versions of the periodic table. One is directly from Mendeleev handwritten drafts. There was no any periodic table older. There is no any aether in it.

one published by Mendeleev in 1904

Mendeleev published an article in 1905, with a modified table where he marked a place for two hypotetical elements "x" and "y" he discussed in article and tried to estimate their properties. He never assumed this table as a "correct" one or intended for teaching or whatever.

(Notice that nobody from those obsessed with aether posts ever discuss that second element - coronium. How is that? It is as important as aether element named "newtonium" by Mendeleev, and if coronium does not exist, then there is no place for newtonium)

This modified periodic table from 1905 article is nothing more than an illustration for the article. Mendeleev himself wrote about this:

Я и смотрю на свою далекую от полноты попытку понять природу мирового эфира с реально химической стороны не более, как на выражение суммы накопившихся у меня впечатлений, вырывающихся исключительно лишь по той причине, что мне не хочется, чтобы мысли, навеваемые действительностью, пропадали. Вероятно, что подобные же мысли приходили многим, но, пока они не изложены, они легко и часто исчезают и не развиваются, не влекут за собой постепенного накопления достоверного, которое одно сохраняется. Если в них есть хоть часть природной правды, которую мы все ищем, попытка моя не напрасна, ее разработают, дополнят и поправят, а если моя мысль неверна в основаниях, ее изложение, после того или иного вида опровержения, предохранит других от повторения. Другого пути для медленного, но прочного движения вперед я не знаю

my simplified English translation:

I look at my attempt to understand the nature of aether from real chemical side, which is far from completeness, as expression of the sum of my accumulated impressions, flowing out only because I don't want my thoughts about it to be lost. Probably thoughts like mine come to many minds, but until they expounded, they easily come lost, does not develop and so does not accumulate as knowledge which is only matter. If they have a tiny bit of natural truth we all look for, my attempt is not vain, it will be developed and enchanced by others. If my thought is inherently wrong, after one or another kind of disproval, it's expound will prevent others to make my mistake. I don't know any other way for slow, but strong movement forward.

Mendeleev know about aether theory since the beginning, but never really included it in his periodic table, because it is a table of physical and chemical properties. He directly wrote that there are much more research on aether have to be done, but nobody tried to isolate it in pure form and study its physical and chemical properties. So, it was never put in periodic table.

Do the research, find out physical and chemical properties of aether, and only then it will get a right to have place in periodic table. This had not been done earlier and nobody of those who talk about aether theory today have any intention to do that. Case closed. There is no place for aether in periodic table, just like 150 years ago.

His 1905 article was like "OK, guys, if you wnat to imagine where aether could be placed in periodic table, then here is my assumptions, and it could look like that.". Account it as a prove of aether existence or whatever such memes try to achieve is a plain idiocy.

Nobody removed aether from periodic table, because it was never in it since the beginning.

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– Dps1879 [S] -1 points 216 days ago +1 / -2

So what!! I fed your red herring and you continue??? What a waste of precious life!! I was showing you why someone put the meme that way. It was removed from science period. It doesn't fucking matter about the periodic table.

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– CrazyRussian 4 points 216 days ago +4 / -0

Nice. Nobody want to study physical properties of aether, so it is still just another hypothetical concept just like "dark matter" or "Higgs field". Shitloads of talks and math, without any practical study or even physical proof of existence. There are a lot of exactly same things in modern science, aether is just one of the first. It is kind of normal today - invent things you could write a lot of articles about and do a math masturbation endlessly, but without any attempt to study and use practically.

So, OK, 19th century "dark matter". Something abstract, that somehow "should exist" but inherently could not be used or even studied practically. Nothing exceptional.

Then why do you need spreading of that fucking blatant lie about "removing aether from periodic table"? What's the point of meme you posted?

I'm in no way against any concept by default. But when concept apologists don't even care about anything practical about their concept, it is at least suspicious.

When I apply perfectly scientific and valid question - "was the thing isolated?" to the coronahoax, f.e., then it's OK. But if I apply exactly same question to, say, aether, or another thing circulating in conspiracy theorist circles, that's generate tons of butthurt.

Not isolated, never studied practically, inherently could not be used. And with that stupid and completely unnecessary lies on top. Sorry, I will not buy that theory, just like I will not buy "dark matter" or "relativity", or whatever abstract shit in physics. Even if the math is perfectly OK.

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