Why has this site seen a huge turn towards Christian shit? It smells waaay off. Like, Russel Brand and all these other influencers turn Christian and this forum becomes overrun with worshippers of the Lord God of Israel via the Jesus psy op.
Why have TPTB decided to shove Christianity down everyones throats and flood boards with Christian bots etc?
Are they trying to strengthen their grip over us spiritually by reinforcing their original deception or what?
It’s an even better fix for the conventional story than that! I wouldn’t think of the True, Ultimate, God as somehow “appointing” the demiurge - nor does any school of Gnosticism teach something like this (because, I agree with you, obviously any “God” that “appointed” a demiurge would be no God at all, the problem of the demiurge would merely be pushed back one step).
The Gnostic God and the common view of the Christian God differ in several key theological and philosophical ways, particularly in their roles in creation, their nature, and how they interact with the world and humanity.
Nature of the Divine: The Gnostic God is often viewed as a more abstract, transcendent, and unknowable deity. In Gnostic thought, the highest god (often referred to as the "True God" or the "Source") is completely beyond the physical world and is often seen as a divine, spiritual being of pure thought and light. This god is not typically concerned with the material world, which is often considered inferior or even corrupt.
Creation of the World: In many Gnostic systems, the physical world is seen as the creation of a lower, inferior being known as the Demiurge, rather than the true God. The Demiurge is often depicted as ignorant, arrogant, or even malevolent, trapping souls in a flawed material existence. The True God is not responsible for the creation of the physical world and may be considered indifferent or even hostile to it.
Salvation: Gnosticism emphasizes knowledge (gnosis) as the path to salvation. Gnostic salvation involves awakening to the divine spark within the self and transcending the material world. The Gnostic god is typically seen as a source of hidden knowledge that, when discovered, allows the soul to escape the material realm and return to the divine.
The Role of Jesus: In some Gnostic traditions, Jesus is viewed as a divine messenger or revealer of hidden knowledge, rather than the incarnate God. In Gnostic texts, Jesus may be portrayed as a teacher who helps others to understand the true nature of the divine and escape the illusion of the material world.
View of the Material World: The material world is often viewed negatively in Gnosticism, seen as a prison for the soul. The Gnostic belief generally holds that the physical world is the result of a lower, imperfect divine being (the Demiurge) and that true salvation involves escaping or transcending the material world to reunite with the divine.
In summary, the Gnostic god tends to be more abstract and detached from the material world, with an emphasis on esoteric knowledge and spiritual liberation.
Forgive the use of ChatGPT but it’s hard for me to put this stuff into words and this is better than just linking you to long texts and wiki pages lol
wow, just wow Graph, really with this extra steps false nonsense? And to top it all off you have AI 'put it together' for you?
u/#vomit
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Some advice: find a new cult, your current one is full of faggots
Not taking your advice on anything at this time.
Interesting how you were so unable to address OP’s concerns
Which is not salvation in any sense of the word.
This is entirely opposite from Christianity.
You go ahead and prepare for your final exam, which upon passing you will be granted entrance into Eternal Life.
Meanwhile:
"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them." (Revelation 20:12)
Quick, what Old Testament writing is this based on? I'm sure you not only don't know, but have no idea how to find out. Go ahead and search your Wikipedia, it might even give you a correct answer. Which does not at all mean you would have any understanding of it.
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Oh, a wise guy huh?
No worries about the Chat GPT use. I suspected as much some way into reading your response so I appreciate your up frontness about it.
Interesting explanations of some Gnostic beliefs there. The issue I would have with Gnosticism though is that even though it is opposed in some sense to the traditional Jewish (including Christian) narrative, it is nonetheless a controlled opposition in that it still operates within the same Jewish paradigm. It still operates under the precept of YHWH as the creator of the earth and humanity. It also believes in Jesus and hails him as a hero whereas his words and the words of the prophets are plain to see and that they espouse racial supremacy of Jews and destruction of gentiles.
One thing I find quite interesting about Gnostic Jesus is what he said about making women into men in the gospel of Thomas I believe.
This feels quite in tune with Jewish mysticism to me and what would go on to become Kabbalah. Kabbalists have Adam as Adam Kadmon - an androgynous non-binary and it just feels like it’s from the same annals as that.
I would still disregard Gnosticism for upholding the fundamental premise of YHWHs plan for the world and of Jesus as the deceitful destroyer portrayed as hero.
Firstly, props for actually reading a text before starting to make your mind up, that’s more than can be said for 98% of Christians
Regarding that specific logion/saying that you raise, I would just point you in two directions: firstly I would point to the fact that there is nothing {they} love more than the inversion of the holy to the unholy and secondly I would point you towards the notion that Yin(female) and Yang(male) combine and merge to form the undifferentiated Tao, and this was established reality long before the Kabbalists attempted to pervert it. So I think there is a valid spiritual reality underneath that saying, and I also think you’re right, that this notion has been used corruptly by some esoteric orders (like kabbalists and their offspring orders)
What do you think of the possibility that you’ve got these things mixed up? I think a fair analysis of things points to the idea that Jesus works to undo the plans of the demiurge (aka YHWH, aka the “Lord of Hosts” aka the God of War of a tribe of desert hucksters) by bringing this knowledge (aka gnosis) to the masses
Yeah, I could see how there could possibly be a valid spiritual reality underneath, but it just feels off to me.
However I'm not that au fait with gnosticism. I would have a hard time accepting that Jesus works to undo YHWH's evil plans because the canonical new testament and Jesus own alleged words say totally otherwise.
In order to entertain such a thing I would have to disregard the New Testament in its entirety and give regard only to the gnostic texts - which I believe are much later than the canonical ones. And I don't think that's something I could possibly do.
There’s good reason to think the opposite actually, that the Gnostic texts (some atleast - the label has been distorted into covering a huge swath of ideologies and groups at this point) predate and color the synoptic/NT texts
Firstly the two largest sources of Gnostic texts are the Dead Sea (Qumran) and Nag Hammadi troves, with the DS Scrolls being provably among the oldest extant manuscripts and secondly the Q Source hypothesis which posits that the 4 synoptic gospels are expansions and elaborations on the original “Sayings Gospel” or Q Source, which has as its most likely candidate the Gospel of Thomas
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_source
I don’t know if you quite need to toss out the NT, but you definitely need the ears to hear and the eyes to see from the suggested perspective, which is something Jesus says repeatedly
This is simply more proof that it's a false gospel.