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Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is a woman, sorta. (media.conspiracies.win)
posted 1 year ago by iloveturtles 1 year ago by iloveturtles +5 / -1
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– iloveturtles [S] -2 points 1 year ago +1 / -3

The discussion online about this issue is borderline retarded. Women's rights, trans rights, yadda yadda yadda. The actual situation is a more interesting.

Imane Khelif was born a girl. She's not trans. Hormone replacement therapy and gender affirming care just isn't a thing in Algeria.

This isn't a situation like the college swimmer Lia Thomas who decided to change from male to female and compete against other women..

Now here is the interesting part: The olympic committee bases athlete eligibility on what gender their passport says and doesn't do genetic testing.

Another committee, the IBA tested her last year. She was disqualified from that tournament because it was believed the tests showed she was genetically male, but the IBA didn't release the results.

Here's the most likely situation:

She was born a girl, has a female anatomy, but also has something like Swyer Syndrome which gives her presenting female features, and male XY chromosomes. As she has grown, she didn't go through normal female puberty but instead exhibited more masculine development including more muscle and testosterone, etc. My guess is she doesn't have periods and is infertile. She's essentially a dude in a female body.

So, like 90% of the athletes in the olympics, she's a genetic freak. I mean Labron and Usain Bolt are both genetic freaks in their own right. Except we have a division for her type of genetic freakiness, it's called the male division.

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– SmithW1984 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

It can't be a biological woman and have Y chromosome, because only males have an Y chromosome - it's how gender is determined. It's a guy with some genetic syndrome. If the debates online showed anything, it's that people failed biology hard.

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– iloveturtles [S] -2 points 1 year ago +1 / -3

What if you have a Y chromosome but are born with a vagina and no penis. How do you square that circle? Historically (at least before genetic testing) gender was determined by what you have between your legs.

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– SmithW1984 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

That's not likely. The Y chromosome leads to expression of primary and secondary male characteristics including a penis, which could be underdeveloped (they usually cut it off in infancy, leaving the person to lead a life as a perceived female, or maybe an eunuch in the past?). Intersex people aka hermaphrodites are always male biologically (they could have additional X or even 2 or 3 X chromosomes). How they were perceived in culture is subjective but genetically speaking they are always male.

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– iloveturtles [S] 0 points 1 year ago +1 / -1

That's not likely. The Y chromosome leads to expression of primary and secondary male characteristics including a penis, which could be underdeveloped

Based on what rudimentary reading I have done on the topic (I am the opposite of an expert), male genitalia on people with Swyer Syndrome does not develop at all. In other words, nothing needs to be cut off.

External Genitalia:

  • Individuals with Swyer syndrome typically have normal female external genitalia. They do not develop male genitalia because their bodies do not produce the male hormones necessary for male genital development.

National Organization for Rare Disorders (NORD). “Swyer Syndrome.”

  • According to NORD, individuals with Swyer syndrome “have normal female external genitalia.” The syndrome is characterized by the presence of typical female reproductive structures despite the presence of an XY chromosome pattern, typically associated with male development.

Reference Link:

  • National Organization for Rare Disorders - Swyer Syndrome https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/swyer-syndrome/
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