Strong’s Definitions
גּוֹי gôwy, go'-ee; rarely (shortened) גֹּי gôy; apparently from the same root as H1465 (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence, a Gentile; also (figuratively) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts:—Gentile, heathen, nation, people. https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h1471/kjv/wlc/0-1/
'If you are not with me you are against me"
We misunderstand much being out of the culture but I am sure that when He says foreigner He means one that does not know Him.
God did not create people just to kill them dude, get real.
The 'God' you are referring to is Jehovah, or Yahweh, who didn't create people. He was but one of many 'Elohiym' who created men in their respective image. The only people Yahweh was interested in were the Israelites. He is their Elohiym and theirs alone. It is an error to interpret Yahweh as the supreme God. He is an Elohiym.
The people that he wants to kill are those of the other Elohiym. Those who are not of the descendants of Jacob. That is, you and I (unless you are Jewish or of one of the tribes) and vast majoriity of the world, as attested all throughout the Bible. Even in the Bible, you can see many many stories where he commanded the racial group he was in charge of (Israelites) to genocide and slaughter other racial groups and expressed a hatred of their Elohiym.
Remember, Jesus had only come for the lost sheep of the house of Israel too.
This sounds gnosticy.
God spoke to Abraham and made his descendants responsible for keeping His commands and ways. It's really that simple, they were charged with a responsibilty to keep God relevant in a world filled with darkness.
When people of other cultures heard about the 'Jewish' God they found Him to be true. God loves everyone He created.
We see the world differently I think, my lens is not clouded by racial thinking.
The you simply don't understand the nature of Yahweh and the OT - it is COMPLETELY racial. Here is a response to another conversation I was having on the matter. You can check the concordance yourself. The Bible NEVER claims Yahweh to be the sole creator God. Not once. The other cultures never 'heard of Jehovah and found him to be true'. They were forced into conversion by the Roman Empire after Jewish missionaries had subverted it to Christianity. It was at the point of a sword. Anyway, here is the response on that other post:
But you believe that THE God is Yahweh/Jehovah, correct? The Bible and even Yahweh himself, says otherwise. I'll show you through biblical references. I'm going to stick with calling Yahweh Jehovah but they are interchangeable. And I'm going to revert what is translated as 'God' back into the original hebrew that it is translated from in order to demonstrate that Jehovah was just one of many equals rather than the supreme God. Elohiym is plural.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning Elohiym created the heaven and the earth. Gen 1:26 And Elohiym said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: Note, it is 'our', denoting the plurality of the Elohiym.
Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of El Shadday, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. A case of deception through identity theft - pretending to be God Almighty only to then reveal his deception and acknowledge that he is but Jehovah - one of the many Elohiym.
Lev 18:4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am Jehovah your Elohiym. Every time the Bible says 'I am the Lord your God', what it actually says is 'I am Jehovah your Elohiym'
Exo 20:2 I am Jehovah thy Elohiym, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other Elohiym before me. One of many acknowledgements of the existence of other Elohiym.
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I Jehovah thy Elohiym am a jealous Elohiym, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
1Ki_11:33 Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the Elohiym of the Zidonians, Chemosh the Elohiym of the Moabites, and Milcom the Elohiym of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father.
See that there are many Elohiym who belonged to many peoples and that Jehovah is but one of them, rather than the Supreme God himself? Jehovah, the jealous Elohiym, commanded the racial group under his charge, the Israelites, to genocide many peoples in a war against his fellow Elohiym.
I know you will liken this to the gnostics, but don't they have a point? Jehovah was one of a council of Elohiym who created the world and created man each in their likeness but Jehovah wants to kill all his fellow Elohiym and genocide their progeny. Doesn't Jehovah fit the Lucifer bill in wanting to dethrone the actual almighty and take his place by commanding his people Israel to go on murderous rampage after murderous rampage and enslave all the other peoples on earth? I appreciate that you believe in the account written by the victors that those vanquished people deserved it for being all manner of wicked etc must you surely must take pause and know that such evil deeds will of course be 'justified' by those who carried them out through painting their victims as inhumane and evil at the root - just like they did with Russia via Bolshevism and Germany in WWII and even Palestine today. 'They ALL deserve to die - even the innocent children - because they will grow up wicked and evil etc'. It is the propaganda of the victor, justifying their barbarism by victim-blaming.
Remember Isaiah 60:12 says Isa 60:12 For the goy and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those goy shall be utterly wasted.
We are to SERVE Israel as wilful slaves or face complete annihilation.
I've looked for some help on language things I don't understand:
Why did God only appear as El Shaddai to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
The short answer is that it was enough for them. When Moses came later and the people needed delivering, then God made himself fully known as Yahweh, the God who saves. He is indeed, El Shaddai, mighty to speak and to act, but also Yahweh, the God who saves.
https://cornerstonechurchkingston.org/sermon/3195/the-names-of-god-el-shaddai/
I really don't understand a lot of things a lot of people say. For instance these names, yahweh, jehovah, overtime they all get conflated. But I'll try to brush up.
As far as I understand the elohim firsts mention in Genesis, this is God speaking of Himself (God is Father, Son and Spirit ever before the incarnation.
There is also the heavenly beings and I know almost nothing. Same with angels. I know enough to know they are God's friends and that's fine with me for now but if I have to learn more to keep up with you then so be it. Pardon my ignorance.
No one can be forced into a relationship with God, that's the whole deal with freewill or we'd be robots.
Any one selling this idea is lying to you to keep you away from God.
To your points, I've tried to address the first above and continuing now down below;
-Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of El Shadday, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them-
I'd argue them not knowing His name means not knowing who He really is and not knowing His ways.
-Lev 18:4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am Jehovah your Elohiym-
have you read this; The Lord our God, the Lord is One (and now a word study to understand the plurality -I am not even close to good at Hebrew yet https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h430/kjv/wlc/0-1/
I liken it to saying of all the gods people worship, this is our God hence the plurality of grammar, I think. I just don't think it's a serious as you claim because I've tried very hard for years to immerse myself in their mindset and they were surrounded by pagans and psychotics and I can understand this line of talking and thinking.
Exo 20:2 I am Jehovah thy Elohiym, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other Elohiym before me. -
my paraphrase would be serve no other God but me and it makes sense. No idol worshipping, it's bad for your soul not His ego.
-Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I Jehovah thy Elohiym am a jealous Elohiym, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;-
this I need to look into because I remember God saying there would be no sins of the fathers laid on the children.
-1Ki_11:33 Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the Elohiym of the Zidonians, Chemosh the Elohiym of the Moabites, and Milcom the Elohiym of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father.-
again, I think this goes back to the fallen propping themselves up as gods and God is setting it straight.
-Isaiah 60:12 says Isa 60:12 For the goy and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those goy shall be utterly wasted.-
in common terms, if you are not with God you are against Him and there is no 'life' outside of His presence, death will die forever.
Strong’s Definitions
גּוֹי gôwy, go'-ee; rarely (shortened) גֹּי gôy; apparently from the same root as H1465 (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence, a Gentile; also (figuratively) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts:—Gentile, heathen, nation, people. https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h1471/kjv/wlc/0-1/
'If you are not with me you are against me"
We misunderstand much being out of the culture but I am sure that when He says foreigner He means one that does not know Him.
God did not create people just to kill them dude, get real.
The 'God' you are referring to is Jehovah, or Yahweh, who didn't create people. He was but one of many 'Elohiym' who created men in their respective image. The only people Yahweh was interested in were the Israelites. He is their Elohiym and theirs alone. It is an error to interpret Yahweh as the supreme God. He is an Elohiym.
The people that he wants to kill are those of the other Elohiym. Those who are not of the descendants of Jacob. That is, you and I (unless you are Jewish or of one of the tribes) and vast majoriity of the world, as attested all throughout the Bible. Even in the Bible, you can see many many stories where he commanded the racial group he was in charge of (Israelites) to genocide and slaughter other racial groups and expressed a hatred of their Elohiym.
Remember, Jesus had only come for the lost sheep of the house of Israel too.
This sounds gnosticy. God spoke to Abraham and made his descendants responsible for keeping His commands and ways. It's really that simple, they were charged with a responsibilty to keep God relevant in a world filled with darkness.
When people of other cultures heard about the 'Jewish' God they found Him to be true. God loves everyone He created.
We see the world differently I think, my lens is not clouded by racial thinking.
The you simply don't understand the nature of Yahweh and the OT - it is COMPLETELY racial. Here is a response to another conversation I was having on the matter. You can check the concordance yourself. The Bible NEVER claims Yahweh to be the sole creator God. Not once. The other cultures never 'heard of Jehovah and found him to be true'. They were forced into conversion by the Roman Empire after Jewish missionaries had subverted it to Christianity. It was at the point of a sword. Anyway, here is the response on that other post:
But you believe that THE God is Yahweh/Jehovah, correct? The Bible and even Yahweh himself, says otherwise. I'll show you through biblical references. I'm going to stick with calling Yahweh Jehovah but they are interchangeable. And I'm going to revert what is translated as 'God' back into the original hebrew that it is translated from in order to demonstrate that Jehovah was just one of many equals rather than the supreme God. Elohiym is plural.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning Elohiym created the heaven and the earth. Gen 1:26 And Elohiym said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: Note, it is 'our', denoting the plurality of the Elohiym.
Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of El Shadday, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. A case of deception through identity theft - pretending to be God Almighty only to then reveal his deception and acknowledge that he is but Jehovah - one of the many Elohiym.
Lev 18:4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am Jehovah your Elohiym. Every time the Bible says 'I am the Lord your God', what it actually says is 'I am Jehovah your Elohiym'
Exo 20:2 I am Jehovah thy Elohiym, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other Elohiym before me. One of many acknowledgements of the existence of other Elohiym.
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I Jehovah thy Elohiym am a jealous Elohiym, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
1Ki_11:33 Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the Elohiym of the Zidonians, Chemosh the Elohiym of the Moabites, and Milcom the Elohiym of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father.
See that there are many Elohiym who belonged to many peoples and that Jehovah is but one of them, rather than the Supreme God himself? Jehovah, the jealous Elohiym, commanded the racial group under his charge, the Israelites, to genocide many peoples in a war against his fellow Elohiym.
I know you will liken this to the gnostics, but don't they have a point? Jehovah was one of a council of Elohiym who created the world and created man each in their likeness but Jehovah wants to kill all his fellow Elohiym and genocide their progeny. Doesn't Jehovah fit the Lucifer bill in wanting to dethrone the actual almighty and take his place by commanding his people Israel to go on murderous rampage after murderous rampage and enslave all the other peoples on earth? I appreciate that you believe in the account written by the victors that those vanquished people deserved it for being all manner of wicked etc must you surely must take pause and know that such evil deeds will of course be 'justified' by those who carried them out through painting their victims as inhumane and evil at the root - just like they did with Russia via Bolshevism and Germany in WWII and even Palestine today. 'They ALL deserve to die - even the innocent children - because they will grow up wicked and evil etc'. It is the propaganda of the victor, justifying their barbarism by victim-blaming.
Remember Isaiah 60:12 says Isa 60:12 For the goy and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those goy shall be utterly wasted.
We are to SERVE Israel as wilful slaves or face complete annihilation.
I've looked for some help on language things I don't understand:
Why did God only appear as El Shaddai to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
The short answer is that it was enough for them. When Moses came later and the people needed delivering, then God made himself fully known as Yahweh, the God who saves. He is indeed, El Shaddai, mighty to speak and to act, but also Yahweh, the God who saves. https://cornerstonechurchkingston.org/sermon/3195/the-names-of-god-el-shaddai/
I really don't understand a lot of things a lot of people say. For instance these names, yahweh, jehovah, overtime they all get conflated. But I'll try to brush up.
As far as I understand the elohim firsts mention in Genesis, this is God speaking of Himself (God is Father, Son and Spirit ever before the incarnation. There is also the heavenly beings and I know almost nothing. Same with angels. I know enough to know they are God's friends and that's fine with me for now but if I have to learn more to keep up with you then so be it. Pardon my ignorance.
No one can be forced into a relationship with God, that's the whole deal with freewill or we'd be robots.
Any one selling this idea is lying to you to keep you away from God.
To your points, I've tried to address the first above and continuing now down below;
-Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of El Shadday, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them-
I'd argue them not knowing His name means not knowing who He really is and not knowing His ways.
-Lev 18:4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am Jehovah your Elohiym-
have you read this; The Lord our God, the Lord is One (and now a word study to understand the plurality -I am not even close to good at Hebrew yet https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h430/kjv/wlc/0-1/
I liken it to saying of all the gods people worship, this is our God hence the plurality of grammar, I think. I just don't think it's a serious as you claim because I've tried very hard for years to immerse myself in their mindset and they were surrounded by pagans and psychotics and I can understand this line of talking and thinking.
my paraphrase would be serve no other God but me and it makes sense. No idol worshipping, it's bad for your soul not His ego.
-Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I Jehovah thy Elohiym am a jealous Elohiym, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;- this I need to look into because I remember God saying there would be no sins of the fathers laid on the children.
-1Ki_11:33 Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the Elohiym of the Zidonians, Chemosh the Elohiym of the Moabites, and Milcom the Elohiym of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father.-
again, I think this goes back to the fallen propping themselves up as gods and God is setting it straight.
-Isaiah 60:12 says Isa 60:12 For the goy and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those goy shall be utterly wasted.- in common terms, if you are not with God you are against Him and there is no 'life' outside of His presence, death will die forever.
Edit: removed and fixed spelling