Poisoning the well with retarded conspiracy theories
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So just right off the bat... If Gavrilo Princip was jewish that is enough of a connection to support the claim that jews are behind the war?
And Trotsky being a jew.... That too is enough of a connection to support the claim?
I'm just trying to figure out if the claim is that some jewish people were involved in the starting of the war, or is the claim that the war was started for the purposes of fulfilling a conspiracy to serve jewish interests?
As those are entirely different claims that will require different evidence.
I guess the point I'm making is that I could go through any historical event and draw connections to other ethnic groups in the same way... In fact it's the same thing wokies do when they claim white people run everything for the benefit of white people.
Yes. you can show countless examples of people who are white in power... But that doesn't validate the conspiracy claim.
Or another example... We could say that there is a conspiracy of Germans to rule the united states, and as evidence we could list every president, senator, governor, mayor, and political leader that has German ancestry, which there will be TONS of them.
But yet we don't consider that as evidence that the Germans are coordinating a conspiracy to everyone else's detriment.
The point is if there is conspiracy to serve jewish interests, I want to see the object directly, not just the shadows on the wall. I need someone to explain to me what are "jewish interests", and tell me how the jews coordinate to achieve them.
Simply identifying historical figures as jewish is not enough to support the conspiracy claim. If they aren't actually coordinating to achieve the same ends, then it's not an actual conspiracy.
"So the fact I have eyes and a mouth makes me a human?" - that's called reductionism, dude. No, him being jewish is not sufficient evidence by itself but it's still evidence building a case. What do you expect? Someone finding a signed confession letter of a representative of the jewish cabal admitting to it? Well, in some cases such confessions exist like The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or the letters between the Sindarin and Oliver Cromwell, but their legitimacy is disputed.
There was an obvious example of this in the text. The establishment of the state of Israel in Palestine is a jewish zionist interest that was served by their agents in the British parliament lord Rothschild and lord Balfour.
Because wokies are dumb retards with no knowledge of history. There's no such historical grouping of "white people". White people conceived of themselves as followers of some religion in this case Christianity, then they were divided in different denominations that slaughtered each other and belonged to kingdoms and nation states. The problem with jews is that they partake in the government of other countries which they are supposed to be citizens of, and yet their loyalties lie elsewhere - with their ethnic group and state. This makes them foreign agents in those countries and ultimately makes them internationalists.
I'm not here to convince you of anything and I don't care what your opinion is. But we share ideas and information here and if you're interested you can check the sources I gave you, see how they make their cases and judge for yourself - I'm sure you don't need my interpretation of them.
Building a case for what? You have to actually define the charges before you can build a case.
I would expect you to describe to me the jewish conspiracy and what it's goals are...
Because so far you've only shown me separate conspiracies with separate goals, that had Jewish people involved.
For sure... Zionism and the establishment of Israel is something people have conspired over.
But I don't understand how Gavrilo Princep being a jew has anything to do with Zionism, and I don't understand why that was the very first thing you cited as evidence.
Is there any actual evidence that the war was started for the benefit of Zionism?
Seems necessary for you to even know about the conspiracy in the first place.
We have such direct confessions from members of the mafia, do we not? We have such direct confessions from Zionists don't we?
But I think this just re-iterates my point that when you actually get specific the concept of a "jewish conspiracy" evaporates.
As even with something as overtly jewish as zionism, you can't in good faith put the label of "zionist" on jews as a whole. But you could accurately put the label "zionist" on plenty of non-jews.
So even with zionism it becomes apparent that it's defined along ideological lines, not racial lines, and so I wouldn't call a zionist conspiracy a "jewish conspiracy" in good faith.
Just as I would not describe the mafia as an "Italian conspiracy" in good faith.
I'm sure I did in my initial comment. You wanted me to provide evidence for that claim, remember?
Zionism IS the conspiracy and since you agree then the argument is what are the purposes of zionism and what is the scope of the planning to achieve those purposes.
I'd say zionism is not just about the establishment of the state of Israel. It's about the establishment of a jewish kingdom that would rule over the world (which coincidentally is what international socialism - demonstrably conceived, organized and funded by jews - as well as the NWO conspiracy, which is based on corporate international socialism, is all about).
The best way to achieve this is through control of the world's economy and financial institutions, because who controls the money controls politics and the people. I can list you all the jewish banking families here as to not be accused of being "vague" but it's not too hard to find a list yourself. This is as much of a fact as is the mafia originating from freemason southern Italian carbonari revolutionary/unification secret society and eventually emigrating to the US where they successfully took over the organized crime world in all states.
Here was your claim though... "That jewish financial and zionist interests were behind much of what transpired throughout modern history (1600's onwards)"
But when asked for specifics to support your claim you brought up that Gavrilo Princep was a jew, Leon Trotsky was a jew, and mentioned zionism.
Do you see the problem there?
You presented three separate and distinct ideologies (Serbian Nationalism, Communism, and Zionism) as if they are connected parts of a greater whole.
And you're acting like it supports your claim of jews controlling history simply because some jews were adherents to each of those ideologies.
Nothing you have presented so far has supported the idea of there being a jewish conspiracy to lie and reshape 400+ years of history for their own ends.
Zionism is not a conspiracy... People have conspired in favor of it, but it has always been public knowledge and argued for in the open, which means zionism itself is not a conspiracy.
I've never heard them say that.... And I don't think Gavrilo Princep or Leon Trotsky being a jew supports that claim.
Ok.... I got one question I think it's really important for you to answer as it will shed light on some philosophical differences we might have.
Is it accurate and fair to describe the mafia as "An Italian conspiracy to rule New York"? Why or why not?