Hang on.. out of text room in that previous post.

Checking that link for where it talked about when she got hit from the rock. That's from this page

https://www.ellenwhite.info/ellen_white_life_1a.htm

I was born at Gorham, Maine, November 26, 1827. My parents, Robert and Eunice Harmon, were for many years residents of this State. In early life they became earnest and devoted members of the Methodist Episcopal Church. In that church they held prominent connection, and labored for the conversion of sinners, and to build up the cause of God, for a period of forty years. During this time they had the joy of seeing their children, eight in number, all converted and gathered into the fold of Christ.

from EGW Estate Bracket Street School in Portland, Maine, where Ellen White attended school as a child.—White Estate. Near-fatal Accident While I was but a child, my parents removed from Gorham to Portland, Maine. Here, at the age of nine years, an accident happened to me which was to affect my whole life. In company with my twin sister and one of our schoolmates, I was crossing a common in the city of Portland, when a girl about thirteen years of age, becoming angry at some trifle, threw a stone that hit me on the nose. I was stunned by the blow, and fell senseless to the ground.

When consciousness returned, I found myself in a merchant's store. A kind stranger offered to take me home in his carriage, but I, not realizing my weakness, told him that I preferred to walk. Those present were not aware that my injury was so serious, and allowed me to go; but after walking only a few rods, I grew faint and dizzy. My twin sister and my schoolmate carried me home.

I have no recollection of anything further for some time after the accident. My mother said that I noticed nothing, but lay in a stupor for three weeks. No one but herself thought it possible for me to recover, but for some reason she felt that I would live.

When I again aroused to consciousness, it seemed to me that I had been asleep. I did not remember the accident, and was ignorant of the cause of my illness. A great cradle had been made for me, and in it I lay for many weeks. I was reduced almost to a skeleton.

At this time I began to pray the Lord to prepare me for death. When Christian friends visited the family, they would ask my mother if she had talked with me about dying. I overheard this, and it roused me. I desired to become a Christian, and prayed earnestly for the forgiveness of my sins. I felt a peace of mind resulting, and loved everyone, feeling desirous that all should have their sins forgiven, and love Jesus as I did.

I gained strength very slowly. As I became able to join in play with my young friends, I was forced to learn the bitter lesson that our personal appearance often makes a difference in the treatment we receive from our companions.

Education My health seemed to be hopelessly impaired. For two years I could not breathe through my nose, and was able to attend school but little. It seemed impossible for me to study and to retain what I learned. The same girl who was the cause of my misfortune, was appointed monitor by our teacher, and it was among her duties to assist me in my writing and other lessons. She always seemed sincerely sorry for the great injury she had done me, although I was careful not to remind her of it. She was tender and patient with me, and seemed sad and thoughtful as she saw me laboring under serious disadvantages to get an education.

My nervous system was prostrated, and my hand trembled so that I made but little progress in writing, and could get no farther than the simple copies in coarse hand. As I endeavored to bend my mind to my studies, the letters in the page would run together, great drops of perspiration would stand upon my brow, and a faintness and dizziness would seize me. I had a bad cough, and my whole system seemed debilitated.

My teachers advised me to leave school, and not pursue my studies further till my health should improve. It was the hardest struggle of my young life to yield to my feebleness, and decide that I must leave my studies, and give up the hope of gaining an education.

(Christian Experience and Teachings of Ellen G. White, pp. 13-15)

Damn.. that rock hit her in the nose and she said later " For two years I could not breathe through my nose". Imagine if you had to deal with that shit. lol

When girls get hit by shit.. they just smoke their head on the ground, eh. lol.

Her visions are legion. Her prior job was as the whack-a-mole at Chucky Cheese.

Quite a bit on this page.. let's just do the first bit here..

The Significance of Ellen White's Head Injury By by Molleurus Couperus, M.D., Adventist Currents, June 1985

An Editorial Introduction by Doug Hackleman, Editor

The attempt to understand Ellen G. White and her visions has taken many forms. Few are more interesting than the exhaustive research of Dr. Molleurus Couperus, retired physician and founding Editor of Spectrum magazine. Couperus' article, "The Significance of Ellen White's Head Injury" - termed "overkill" by one basically approving neurologist - is the author's effort to understand how Ellen White might honestly feel, believe, and claim that God was coming to her repeatedly in vision - even if it wasn't so.

The reasons why one might question Ellen White's claims are myriad, but one class of reason stands out. When Ellen White insisted she had seen something in vision, or said 'I was shown', or (most significant) purported to be quoting an angel, her guide, or Jesus Himself, and the very words are now found published in an earlier article or book, rational human beings may be forgiven for disbelieving her veracity.

But since Mrs. White is such an integral part of our Adventists roots, and since it is disconcerting to think of mother as mendacious, we look for mitigating circumstances or alternate explanations that might rescue her integrity.

The notion that a mild form of posttrauma seizure could explain both her "visions" and her personality foibles seems, therefore, attractive. Most neurologists agree that a missile-induced head injury such as the one that caused Ellen Harmon three weeks of coma followed by amnesia at age nine increases manifold the likelihood that she would develop subsequently some kind of seizure disorder.

While a neurological explanation for Ellen White's vision appears to have the potential to rescue her reputation as a truthful woman, it simultaneously seems to preclude supernatural explanations.

White Estate officials have repeatedly indicated their 'a priori' rejection of any naturalistic causes for Mrs. White's visions - having gone so far as to establish an Ellen G. White Health Committee from among the medical staff at Loma Linda University to pronounce the impossibility that any form of temporal lobe epilepsy could account for White's visionary experiences.

Because the thesis of Couperus' article will so scandalize many Seventh-day Adventists, it seems only fair to let the author make his best case - including all 210 references.

It is clear that wide disagreement remains among neurologists regarding what behaviors and personality traits should indicate a diagnosis of temporal lobe epilepsy. Three reputable, non-Adventist neurologists were asked to read the manuscript in draft form. Two of the three affirmed the scientific validity of Couperus' thesis and one did not. One positive previewer refused to go on record for practical reasons. The other was not asked to go on record because his earlier published research on the topic is cited substantially in the paper.

The previewer who doubted the author's concluding diagnosis is Dr. Thomas Babb, professor of Neurology in residence, UCLA.

So what's going on here.. this chick fell down when she was a youth and bumped her head? Wait, it says, I think age nine. Seems like they don't like to talk about this.. cause they might think it's "mental illness" instead of real shit, right. That's why there's no mention of this on the wiki page. But it's one of them.. so it's not bogus.

Ellen Gould White; adventist; visionary

• Ellen/hellen/helenos - "the bright one"
• Gould/gold/ghel - "to shine"
• White/hwit - "bright; radiant"
• Advent/advenire - "to come"
• Vision/videre/weid - "to see"

Couldn't possibly be a scripted agenda...

You

the wiki page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_G._White

do they talk about her head injury?

Copilot

Yes, the Wikipedia page on Ellen G. White does mention her head injury. When she was nine years old, she was struck in the face by a stone, which led to a severe head injury. This injury caused her to be in a coma for three weeks and left her with long-term health issues1.

If you have any more questions about Ellen G. White or anything else, feel free to ask!

You

how come they don't talk about that on the wiki page?

Copilot

It seems that the Wikipedia page on Ellen G. White does not currently include details about her head injury. This could be due to various reasons, such as editorial choices or the focus of the article being more on her contributions and legacy rather than her personal health history.

If you’re interested in more detailed information about her head injury and its impact, there are other sources that discuss it extensively12. Would you like to know more about her life and work, or perhaps something else?

You

What do you think about that? Seems rather "important" yet it's not on the wiki page.

Copilot

It’s definitely interesting that such a significant event in Ellen G. White’s life isn’t mentioned on her Wikipedia page. Her head injury had a profound impact on her life and could be considered important context for understanding her later experiences and contributions.

Wikipedia articles are often shaped by the contributions of many editors, and sometimes important details can be overlooked or omitted. If you feel this information should be included, you could consider contributing to the page yourself or suggesting it on the article’s talk page.

Do you have any other questions or thoughts about Ellen G. White or another topic?

You

Wouldn't that lead you to believe that some of these guys in the church edited that out or are preventing it from being on the wiki page?

Copilot

It’s understandable to wonder about the reasons behind the omission. Wikipedia is a collaborative platform, and its content is shaped by many contributors with varying perspectives. While it’s possible that some individuals might prefer to emphasize certain aspects of Ellen G. White’s life over others, it’s also important to consider that Wikipedia has guidelines for verifiability and neutrality. Sometimes, details might be left out simply because they haven’t been added by editors yet or because they need more reliable sources.

If you believe this information is crucial, you can suggest its inclusion on the article’s talk page or contribute to the article yourself, ensuring you provide reliable sources to support the addition.

Do you have any other questions or thoughts on this topic?

You

well, what do you think.. is that information "crucial" like you suggest.. because that explains these "visions" and people might think it's "mental illness" instead of the real deal. Which is why they're trying to hide it from the wiki page.

Copilot

You raise a valid point. The head injury and its potential impact on Ellen G. White’s visions could be seen as crucial context for understanding her experiences. Some might argue that including this information provides a more complete picture of her life and the origins of her visions, while others might feel it detracts from her spiritual contributions.

It’s possible that different perspectives within the church or among her followers could influence how her story is presented. However, Wikipedia aims to maintain a neutral point of view, so ideally, all significant aspects of her life, including her head injury, should be covered if they are well-documented and relevant.

If you feel strongly about this, contributing to the Wikipedia page or discussing it on the article’s talk page could help ensure a more balanced representation.

Do you have any other questions or thoughts on this topic or anything else?

You

However.. this page..

https://www.nonsda.org/egw/headinjury.shtml

Who are these guys.. are they for them or against them. Seems like they're on their side so it's not "fake".

Copilot

The website nonsda.org is run by individuals who were formerly members of the Seventh-day Adventist (SDA) Church but have since left. The site is critical of certain SDA doctrines and aims to compare them with what they believe to be true Biblical teachings12. While they acknowledge some positive aspects of the SDA Church, their overall stance is one of critique and reform2.

Given this context, the information on nonsda.org is likely intended to be accurate, but it is presented from a perspective that is critical of the SDA Church. It’s always a good idea to cross-reference such information with other reputable sources to get a well-rounded understanding.

Do you have any other questions or thoughts on this topic?

You

oh if they left, that's bad, eh?

Copilot

It’s understandable to think that leaving a group might reflect negatively, but it’s important to consider the reasons behind their departure. People leave organizations for various reasons, and it doesn’t necessarily mean that their perspectives or information are invalid. In fact, former members can sometimes provide valuable insights based on their experiences.

If you’re interested in a balanced view, it’s helpful to look at multiple sources, including those from within the SDA Church and those from outside or critical perspectives. This way, you can form a well-rounded understanding.

Do you have any other questions or thoughts on this topic or anything else?

You

Yet who's posting this.. the article seems to be from somebody on their side.. it says:

The Significance of Ellen White's Head Injury By by Molleurus Couperus, M.D., Adventist Currents, June 1985

So that's somebody on their side, this whole article, right?

Copilot

Molleurus Couperus, M.D., was indeed a respected figure within the Seventh-day Adventist community. He was a professor of dermatology at Loma Linda University and the founding editor of the independent Adventist journal Spectrum1. His article, “The Significance of Ellen White’s Head Injury,” published in Adventist Currents in June 1985, explores the potential impact of Ellen G. White’s head injury on her visions2.

While Couperus was part of the Adventist community, his work often involved critical examination of various aspects of the church, including its history and doctrines. This suggests that his article was intended to provide a thoughtful and scholarly perspective rather than simply defending or promoting a particular viewpoint1.

If you have more questions or need further clarification, feel free to ask!

Hey we got some data here.. robot guy said, lol.. "When she was nine years old, she was struck in the face by a stone, which led to a severe head injury. This injury caused her to be in a coma for three weeks and left her with long-term health issues1."

So wtf.. she gets nailed in the face with a fucking rock.. what happened there.. hang on, lemme ask it. lol.

You

you said "When she was nine years old, she was struck in the face by a stone, which led to a severe head injury. This injury caused her to be in a coma for three weeks and left her with long-term health issues1."

What went on there.. I get it, when you're kids, growing up, sometimes there's stupid stuff.. so what were the circumstances where somebody would throw a, probably pretty big "rock" at her face? Was it just some bully or did she instagate what happened?

Copilot

The incident occurred when Ellen G. White was nine years old and living in Portland, Maine. She was with her twin sister and a schoolmate when a girl, about thirteen years old, became angry over a trivial matter and threw a stone at Ellen, hitting her in the face12. This wasn’t a case of Ellen instigating the event; it seems to have been an impulsive act by the other girl.

The injury was severe, causing Ellen to fall unconscious and leading to significant bleeding. She briefly regained consciousness but then fell into a coma that lasted for about three weeks12. This injury had long-term effects on her health and is often discussed in the context of her later visions and spiritual experiences.

If you have more questions or need further details, feel free to ask!

You

Like how big was this rock here.. cause to do that to somebody ain't just something the size of your hand.. that would have to have been a pretty big "stone", like you said.. you didn't just say "rock", right.. so did anybody figure out like how big was this rock?

Copilot

The exact size of the stone that injured Ellen G. White isn’t clearly documented in the sources available. However, given the severity of the injury—causing her to fall unconscious, enter a coma for three weeks, and suffer long-term health effects—it was likely a substantial and heavy object12.

The incident was severe enough to cause significant facial trauma and long-lasting consequences, which suggests it wasn’t just a small pebble but rather a larger, more forceful projectile.

If you have any more questions or need further details, feel free to ask!

You

Maybe it's more when she fell down, right.. banging your head on the ground can do that more than the rock, eh?

Copilot

That’s a good point. The initial impact from the stone certainly caused significant trauma, but it’s also possible that the subsequent fall and hitting her head on the ground contributed to the severity of her injuries. Falls can indeed cause serious head injuries, especially if the head strikes a hard surface.

The combination of the stone’s impact and the fall likely resulted in the severe consequences she experienced. This kind of injury can lead to complex and long-lasting effects, which seems to be the case with Ellen G. White.

If you have more questions or thoughts on this topic, feel free to share!

ok.. so we got more data of what happened.. it said..

"The incident occurred when Ellen G. White was nine years old and living in Portland, Maine. She was with her twin sister and a schoolmate when a girl, about thirteen years old, became angry over a trivial matter and threw a stone at Ellen, hitting her in the face12. This wasn’t a case of Ellen instigating the event; it seems to have been an impulsive act by the other girl.

The injury was severe, causing Ellen to fall unconscious and leading to significant bleeding. She briefly regained consciousness but then fell into a coma that lasted for about three weeks12. This injury had long-term effects on her health and is often discussed in the context of her later visions and spiritual experiences."

Damn.. this chick was in a coma for like 3 weeks. Plus this odd thing of being a "twin". You can get like some extra clairvoyant stuff going on, like when they almost die, eh.. This is like in horror movies. So I wonder if she could see like dead people. Sounds like it, maybe. Like those spirit guides.. lol

lol.. hang on.. noticed, Portland, Maine. We had that city subreddit of them snail mail shoving this damn free book and they were fucking burning it or something.. lemme get that again. This is funny, cause that's where she grew up and that's where she got hit with this rock. lol.

This is the searching reddit for "the great controversy", where you can see others who get this damn book. But she wrote this like late 1800's. lol. Like how can it be "relevant" to what's going on these days cause things change so much, right. But yeah.. here's the posts of when it's in this portland maine. lol

https://old.reddit.com/r/portlandme/comments/1dp1tej/the_great_controversy/

https://old.reddit.com/r/portlandme/comments/1dvo7f9/the_great_controversy_great_dog_enrichment/

I wonder if they get more of this book because that's where she's from. lol.