TLDR: What's your take? Mine is that Jews have dropped the ball and didn't plan everything and that things in the very least are not going according to plan.
In conspiracy circles, the main circulating narrative is that Jewish militias (i.e. Israel) has had everything planned from the get go, anticipated October 7th and was waiting for it to launch its genocidal/expulsion plan AND that Hamas is completely in bed with Jewish militias.
While I have personally initially ascribed to Jewish militias having planned this beforehand I now believe there is a lot more to it and that current evidence indicates we need to consider Israelis didn't plan October 7th.
Fact, Jewish militias did indeed prefer Hamas to divide the PLO/Palestinians and because they make it easier to demonize the Palestinians and keep war options open.
BUT
-If Jewish militias planned this, couldn't they postpone it until after normalization with Saudi Arabia which was almost a done deal? The timing of October 7th was inconvenient to say the least.
-If Jewish militias planned this, they could have prepared a better media narrative. You know like what they did with COVID. Their current execution is poor at best.
-Were they planning to reduce divisions in Israeli/Jewish community? It doesn't seem to work.
-What was their military plan? Whatever it was it doesn't seem to be that great. Just recently Hamas announced they have a Jewish militia colonel whom Jewish militias declared was killed and had his wife cry over him on TV. Palestinian resistance even captured more Jewish militia members recently. It just looks like the whole October 7th took Jewish militias off guard.
I give credence to the possibility that maybe Netanyahu and his inner circle may have known about October 7th, maybe other officers against him knew about it and wanted to embarrass him. Even Palestinian resistance themselves were surprised how easy it was to take over Jewish militias on October 7th. All that said I do not think Jewish militias planned the timing or most certainly how things have gone so far.
Even in the Lebanese front, things are not going so well for Jewish militias.
Again, I know people who communicate with people there. It's not a great connection but messages do get through. There is difficulty in electricity even, relying on scarce generators with little fuel. Using Israeli sim cards or sharing of sat internet and scarce solar power etc.. but internet is not COMPLETELY cut and this is a matter of fact. Otherwise you wouldn't be seeing all the recent videos you see now. I am well aware of all the infrastructure destruction including electrical and communication.
I also realize all the towers and surveillance the IDF had around Gaza and they had plans to cover all possiblities. But you miss an important point. You think those on Hamas at all levels were so idiotic as to kill themselves with zero chance of success?
To give an example, Israel had what should have been an impossible barrier to breach on the Suez canal. Yet in 1973 it was run over by the Egyptians. The Egyptians later lost due to either treason or fatal mistakes of Sadat but I won't get into that (There are a lot of details). Same with Germany and France Maginot Line in WW2.
You put up an impossible to breach wall. Then someone will dedicate all of their ability to breach it. A very large tunnel was used by the way in the first breach from Gaza. All those cameras and infrared surveillance were useless. The bulldozers and land breach with pickup trucks was only done after they neutralized the defenses after breaching with the tunnel. We may never know all the details of the operation.
Did Netanyahu or his opposing faction make the army stand down for a while to make matters worse? Was Netanyahu or others waiting for something like this to happen to start this genocide? Most likely. Things are complicated. The official narrative is on one end and unfortunately the conspiratorial narrative is on another and both are usually not the full truth or rather simplistic versions of it.
They want you demoralized to think that there is nothing you can ever do to fight Jews or that no one can ever accomplish anything and that they have god like powers. Hence the similar line pushed in conspiracy circles that Hitler was Jewish or Jewish puppet. It was complicated but he wasn't Jewish nor a complete puppet. (Manipulated perhaps, pushed in a direction, placed for usefulness? most likely)
Thanking your captures is normal if they treated you well for a long time, both of you facing the dangers of being bombed by airplanes and knowing for a fact that all the beheading and rape stories are lies. And especially knowing that are others still held captive.
"You think those on Hamas at all levels were so idiotic as to kill themselves with zero chance of success?"
Yes. Absolutely. I have two competing theories: (1) Israel recruited 'dumb' Hamas operatives just as the FBI recruited autistic people to join terror plots (https://www.thedailybell.com/all-articles/news-analysis/fbi-now-recruiting-entrapping-autistic-children-terror-patsies-for-national-security/). Or the Hamas 'terrorists' are really IDF agents.
(2) The Palestinians are facing a slow extermination. These people are desperate. Hama's 'official plan' was to capture Iraeli hostages and TRADE them for Palestinian prisoners held by the Israeli Army.
It's difficult to asses what is actually happening as Israel owns the US Government, Israel owns the press and as such Israel owns the narrative. I'm not even convinced there are still Israeli hostages under Hamas control - again, 99% of information exiting the conflict is first passed through Israel
You are right on many regards and I of course can be very wrong in my analysis. I held very similar views earlier but recent development just led me to think otherwise and change my mindset.
BTW I recently watched the documentary you sent of John Hankey on Octover 7th inside job. I have few points that I would like to critique but maybe later if there's time and I would need to watch again. I may make a post about it.
To confirm your suspicions. Yes, the IDF did recruit MANY Hamas operatives. Not only that. It has always manipulated which Palestinian organizations gets more money and assassinates any leader which they deem counter productive to their goals. BUT here's where we differ: They do not control things completely. They nudge and push. But the Palestinians as a whole are determined against their enemy due to the occupation of their homeland. Even if they have a traitor somewhere at the top. It would be truly difficult to control things at every level.
Regarding the hostages, even according to Hamas, the number of hostages still alive seems to be very few. Israelis do control the narratives but it's not as terrible as it used to be before the internet and this is where they have failed.
You can follow people from Gaza making videos and there are many Palestinians abroad who have relatives in Gaza or people with Palestinian friends etc.. I just know for a fact that the narrative pushed and currently accepted as consensus in the alternative media is manipulated and pushed to the extreme of conspiracy instead of a rational discussion.
They push normies in one direction and us in conspiracy circle in the opposite direction.
I think this short clip here sums up Hamas' position completely: https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1796349613865373973